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[00:00:00] Alex Tsakiris: On this episode of Skeptiko how our power and control issues keep us from finding the damn truth. , here’s a famous movie clip with today’s guest in it.

[00:00:16] Clip: But someday somewhere, someone may find out the damn truth. We better, we better. We might just as well build ourselves on another government. Patriot must always be ready to defend his country

[00:00:28] Alex Tsakiris: . . Stop right there. We’re watching the famous movie JFK and there is Sean Stone. He’s just a kid, of course, he sitting in the courtroom. He doesn’t say much, but he’s in the film

Sean has been in and around this conspiracy stuff, JFK proudly, one of the most famous conspiratorial movies of all time. Well, Sean’s been around that all his life

And he has a new documentary series that Chronicle some of the interviews he’s done over the years around the para political conspiratorial world that we live in. If you scratch right beneath the surface. And we’re going to certainly talk about that. We’re going to talk about his book, but I think we’re Sean Stone really shines is when you talk about some of the deeper stuff, the deep spirituality stuff.

[00:01:20] Alex Tsakiris: It’s about the power and control issues that we all have. And that’s what you said, Sean, I’m just, this is rehashing what you said , Hey, I got power and control issues. I look at my family. I look at my wife, I have power and control issues.

I’ll look at my children. I got power and control issues. I want them to be a certain way. Is it really so hard for us to understand how that extends to people who have, you know, just , enormous power I mean like, , , bill gates is, uh, is a tragic figure. He’d be in some Shakespearian play, look into his eyes. I mean, it just, that’s not a, a good soul there.

[00:02:03] Sean Stone: it’s like I had this conversation recently, by the way about gates with this guy that said, oh, I like gates. You know, I, he does business with them or whatnot.

And I say, okay, why what’s he about why is he trying to, why is he trying to control your body? I’m always not trying to control it, but he’s trying to help the planet. You know, he’s done more for the planet than anybody say, aha. So sticking, sticking a needle in everybody is what is really going to help .

Is he actually looking to, to, to raise the standard of living in Africa? ‘

[00:02:30] Alex Tsakiris: Even that response is switching over again into the material world, right? Because when you switch into the spiritual realm, , why would I think that it is, my job to do anything other than to bring this light forward?

Hey, I’m supposed to fill the hole with light, so in that sense, I don’t worry about gates, he’s a pathetic kind of doesn’t look like he is, it looks like his whole is not filled with light to me kind of thing.

[00:02:56] Sean Stone: No, no, it was not filled with light and there are very few. and , this is the nature of our reality that we have right now. But I think that the revolution and the transformation comes from, from the masses, it comes from the millions of people waking up and taking their power back.


[00:03:12] Alex Tsakiris: so this is a good one. There’s a couple of really interesting little tidbits in there. In true skeptical fashion. There’s a little bit of pushback on a couple of points, but all in all it was really cool to connect with a guy I think is under appreciated in terms of what he’s contributed to this important, important body of knowledge that often gets overlooked. If you just look at it from a kind of Hollywood perspective, which unfortunately is the way that people normally look at John Stone. Cell, this is a good one. Hope you enjoy it. Stick around for my interview with Sean Stone.

[00:03:46] Alex Tsakiris: Welcome to Skeptiko where we explore controversial science and spirituality with leading researchers, thinkers and their critics.

I’m your host, Alex . And today we welcome Sean Stone to skeptiko. Now it’s kind of tough to do a bio on Sean Stone because no matter what angle you take, you’re going to leave out all these other angles and people are gonna wonder why you did that. So let me read from Sean If you will, I don’t usually read Biles, but this is kind of succinct and multifaceted in the way that I’d like to be about it.

Sean Stone as a filmmaker media host, author, actor, poet, speaker, and above all truth seeker. And then he had to throw in spiritual activist in there at the end, which I love, as we said in the intro to this show, that’s what we’re all about.

He has a documentary series best kept secret. It’s fantastic. I watched it on Vimeo. You can watch it and download the whole thing for five bucks on Vimeo. It’s terrific. . He also has a book out that I wasn’t aware of. It’s been out for a few years now, but it’s really excellent. It’s titled new world order a strategy of imperialism.

It’s terrific. Interesting origin story on that as well. The guys at Princeton, I mean, it’s a study to Oxford graduated from Princeton. This is like his thesis at Princeton and it’s this amazing book. Richard Grove writes like a hundred page forward to it or something like that. And that’s all terrific.

Um, so, so we’ll talk about that too. Number of different things we can talk about, but it’s just terrific having you here, Sean. Thanks so much for joining me on the show.

[00:05:38] Sean Stone: Hey, thanks for having me on.

[00:05:41] Alex Tsakiris: So I guess, you know, the natural place to start might be with this series best kept secret. And I kind of hinted that I wanted to talk about the origin story and I think that’s a big part of it.

So let’s jump in there and talk about what that show is about, what that series six parts series is about. Sure, sure.

[00:06:06] Sean Stone: The series is, um, it’s like the name says, what is, what is the best kept secret? And to me, the secret has always been humans are enslaved. Um, that’s, there’s, there’s physical enslavement, which we know still exists.

In fact, there’s arguably more slaves in the world than ever before in history with, uh, human trafficking and, uh, You know, upward of 25 million that are human trafficked and you being trafficked, you know, into various jobs, including prostitution and that’s the, that includes children. So, um, there’s that slavery, which a lot of us have come to understand is the nature of the system of, uh, sort of federal reserve issuing of currencies that, uh, they control, you know, they control the, uh, the flow of the currency then, and it’s always issued against the, government’s basically putting governments into debt that they can never get out of because once, once you lend the government money after the federal reserve, uh, there’s always interest owed from the very first dollar that’s loaned out.

Um, and then, uh, you’ve got spiritual enslavement, which we moved towards later in the series. This, uh, this notion of basically various forms of hypnosis that go on mental mind control. You know, the ancient, the ancient issue of our cons things talked about in the Bible, those, you know, those powers and principalities, you can call on demons, Satan, you know, forces like this that have people basically beholden at different levels of, of mind and spirit to these forces.

So I think that’s, that’s really what the story was about, was evolving this understanding of how humans are controlled at different levels, from political to spiritual, psychological, and then moving into the trans human dimension, which is where the elites have been focused for some time. Uh, since the days of not just since the days of the Nazis, probably older than that, but this eugenics war basically first, it was the issue of genetics trying to get hold of breeding.

This is not a Nazi idea. It came out of the Anglo-American empire. Actually the, uh, the Brits and Americans were hosting the first eugenics conferences. So this whole thing about breeding and the idea then evolve into understanding the genome to try to then. Splice the genome cut play, play Dr.

Frankenstein in terms of editing the human genome. And then beyond that, this, uh, this, this, this interest in the human being as sort of a bio-computer, that’s something that can be hacked that can be, uh, mutated turned into a genetic model, genetically modified organism. Let’s say which we’ve done obviously with our crops and, uh, obviously, and also our, our various pesticides and things like this that are, that are put into our food supply and our water supply.

So yeah, this is a, this is what, this is what the series is sort of about,

[00:09:03] Alex Tsakiris: In preparing for this, I was looking through so much your old stuff and some of your new stuff, you know, you’re still putting out some great interviews on your Patriot channel and other places.

But I was particularly drawn back to the buzzsaw interviews that you did because I really remember back in the day, seeing those, let me pull them up here

And before I go too far down this path, is this still an okay.

[00:09:36] Sean Stone: Yeah, that’s a buzzsaw bus or still is intact. My personal YouTube channel, Sean Stone was taken down by YouTube censored, but this channel entered the bus saws still there.

[00:09:47] Alex Tsakiris: So what’s interesting about this. Enter the buzz saw thing. It’s just mind blowing, but what I kept coming back to and preparing for this interview is what you must going to be going through. What must be going through your head in this conspiracy culture out in the open kind of world that we live in plan demic, where we’re kind of like the conspiracy behind the plan DEMEC is like being debated in Congress.

It’s like front page news. Everything. And you’re doing these interviews. Like the one that I always remember is with, Douglas Dietrich. And it was just, it was this one, it was about the Presidio thing. And he also interviewed, , Michael , you know, unbelievable all this sickness stuff. And it was mind blowing to me.

It was paradigm shifting it. It was all the things that I now see in other people where their paradigm is completely stripped away and they really are left scrambling with what to do. Do I take that in it, it seemed real. And then they check it out and it is real. And then they’re like, oh my God, what does this mean for everything I know.

And I’m just thinking, what is it like for you to say. Yeah, I did that six years ago.

[00:10:59] Sean Stone: Yeah. I mean, I’ve pretty much been aware of this stuff since I was a little kid. I mean, it’s just, it’s it’s to me, it’s always, this it’s always confounding. How, how humans have like, suffered so much cognitive dissonance and just sort of, for me, even more than cognitive dissonance was like the lack of curiosity.

I was just bored by, by Monday and conversations. You know, people sit around and talk about, I don’t know, your sister is doing this. Uh, so-and-so you know, bought a new car. So-and-so. You know, hasn’t, hasn’t repaired their house in a long time. It’s going to fall apart. Like just the conversation that was just so mundane or gossip, you know?

And I was always interested by things that were bigger, you know, like, okay. You know, you look in an event like Kennedy’s assassination, which obviously my dad made the film JFK when I was not six years old and I was in that film. And, um, and it’s like, that’s, that’s, that’s like an epic story to start to investigate unravel.

Even if you don’t, even, if you don’t get to the bottom of who. Right. Even if you start to just figure out okay. What the story that was told to us was a cover story. It was not real. There was no way that this guy goes to Russia. Defects give us, gives up his passport and a Russian woman. Who’s Don, who’s the daughter of a, like a Russian Soviet general at the time comes back to America, just gets his passport back, brings his Soviet bride.

Isn’t being watched by the CIA isn’t being, you know, isn’t being monitored at any level, goes in like actively like supports both communists, you know, Castro. And then he goes to tries to go against Castro. And he’s like, basically, you know, he’s, he’s working next. You know, he’s working in the same building as guide Bennis or the former FBI, one of the heads of the FBI.

I mean, this is like, yeah. And then this guy just picks up, you know, he orders a gun to, you know, mail order gun. He could have gone into a store and bought one. He orders it, shipping it to this PO box, so you can go and get it. And then he goes, and he, you know, he’s like, and then he takes a shot at a general.

And then he goes, of course, and kills. Three amazing shots. The first of which is the easiest to pull off the Mrs. Completely the car. I mean, it’s just like, you know, peop like I’m just sitting here going, what does it take for people to wake up? ,

[00:13:15] Alex Tsakiris: you kinda answered that in an interview. I was just saw that you just published, recently, , and you said, you know what? People want to feel protected. They want to feel protected.

And they want to feel like someone is in control. So even if they have to do this crazy dance around this obvious information, ultimately they’re trying to get their Mead’s net of like, . Tell me it’s all going to be okay. Daddy, tell me the bad people aren’t going to come from me, daddy.

I mean, right. Isn’t it. That’s

[00:13:45] Sean Stone: what I heard. That’s right. That’s right. That’s exactly. It’s the child. It’s a child in us. That’s scared of stepping into our adults, you know, king and queen ship, let’s say right. And stepping into that level of responsibility. And so what I was getting at with the Kennedy thing, it’s like, is this is this consciousness basically like this collective consciousness, experiencing deception and manipulation to basically as barometers of saying, okay, are you ready yet?

Are you ready to actually see the truth? Are you ready to really face it to face the shadow to actually realize that the shadow is, is empty and it’s just whatever you want, whatever fear you want to project into it, including your own face until you ultimately come to this realization that there is only oneness and everything that’s cast is just there.

How do you say every shadow that’s cast is just a blockage of the light, basically of the light of let’s say the light of truth and everything that every shadow that’s cast is just the block. In this journey of ultimately discovering that there is nothing but ourselves, and that is the OD the, I am the collective.

I am

[00:14:54] Alex Tsakiris: yup, totally into that. And I think the non dual approach totally has to fit in here in a, in a really fundamental way, at the same time, and I think this is what your work is about in a way is that’s not exactly where we live on a day-to-day basis. And the nesting dolls do have to be taken apart one by one.

It’s like, when people want to reduce all this horrible, evil that’s being perpetrated on the population as, you know, shadow work. And it’s like, we all have our shadow and it’s like, well, that may be true. But part of it, isn’t part of our spiritual journey to not let that shadow play out in terms of. You know, trafficking little kids and performing , satanic rituals with three-year-olds.

[00:15:43] Sean Stone: But it’s a complex question because it’s a transmutation process, fundamentally whereby first you have to be willing to look at something and consciousness is finally getting to that place of actually starting to look at things and actually acknowledge things.

That’s what, that’s what it called the great awakening. In 2020, it was like all of a sudden people were talking about human trafficking and it wasn’t, how do you say it? Wasn’t just hush it up because that’s really what I would hear a lot. And I, I, I would go to the, you know, it’s like I would go to places or, or interview people or talk to people and it’s always that sort of like, well, we just don’t talk about it.

It’s just not. It’s just, you don’t, you know, it’s, it’s, you know, you speak to that. You don’t want to speak of the devil, you know, because it’s bad. Juju is bad energy. And I understand that perspective. I also it’s like, you know, but you can’t, it’s also what they call the spiritual always, you know, spiritual bypassing, right?

It’s like just good vibes. Let’s just be on the positive. Well, the ultimate positive is to transmute that, which is lower density, lower, you know, lower frequency to Trent it, to, to work through it and to bring that energy into a higher space of love. And I’ve experienced that like firsthand, because I’ve actually gone into like very dense places where Satan is worshiped, like in abandoned mental hospitals, where people died, you know, either died.

We’re, you know, we’re, we’re, we’re posing. We’re plagued for tortured. We’re we’re, we’re, we’re humiliated, we’re hurt right violated. And the energy is so low. It’s like just that it’s a complete albatross. And you got to basically walk through that. And either you go to that level and you go crazy. This is my first movie.

Greystone was about this. You know, you either start to, you start to crack up and, and don’t know what’s real anymore because it scatters you that energy is very low frequency and scatters you. And it, it brings, you know, it brings up madness in your setting, you, right. It gets reflected with madness, paranoia, you know, things like this hysteria or, but the ultimate journey through that is either you go mad, you become Kurtz, you know, apocalypse now, or you, um, you have to overcome that, that low frequency and ideally transmute it and having walked those places and actually gone to that end of actually transmuting into.

Pure love and like holding a holy holy whole frequency, a whole different frequency. That was holy. And actually seeing those places actually destroyed as a result. Like after that literally taken down, you realize this can be done, and this is what we’re here to do. We are literally here to transmute to take that whole, that, that frequency and transform it with the state of, of seeing it engaging it, loving, putting love for, for, especially for the victims.

And for those that have been harmed and raising the virus.

[00:18:48] Alex Tsakiris: So totally get that. I would suggest that there’s multiple ways to transmute, you know, and truth seeking truth telling, , which is a big part of what you’re all about is a way of doing that, waking people up or making it possible for people to wake up in a certain way is a way of transmitting.

You know, we both had a chance to interview on a , who I think is quite an amazing person, just to remind everyone, you know, sold into a satanic cult at six years old by her mother. So just full stop process that, what does that mean, you know, is taken to these mansions where as a young child, that young is in this room, where one, after another of these rich, I hate the term elites, but these people that she later identifies as being.

Very very high level political people of various countries in Europe and Europe come in and rape this girl. And what she mentioned to me, and you can tell me about your interview with her is looking into their eyes and seeing a little child in there seeing the little boy. And she says she wasn’t even like aware of it, like on a conscious level, but she was aware of it.

She was aware of, I think this is what you’re getting at, you know, their pain, their connection, but she still is a truth teller of the horror that went on. And then she goes on and is now doing yoga, yoga, uh, therapy for women who are imprisoned in New York, which is her way of kind of bringing that light about.

So talk for a minute about the balancing between. You know, the hard process of truth, telling a lot of people don’t want to hear on a story don’t want to hear about the Nutro thing. You know, they killed how many people over that two trow case. They like murdered anyone who was even close to it. And then, you know, getting on with life as best you can and, and doing it.

I mean, there’s a lot there to unpack, but tell me what your thoughts are.

[00:21:03] Sean Stone: Yeah, it’s one of the darkest episodes is, uh, I didn’t interview Annika Lucas. I used her interviews with Sean Atwood and also, uh, her Ted talk interviews as, uh, for, within the docu-series the best kept secret. So to help illuminate that story and how again, to give people a, an understanding of how dark this, this, this world is, uh, the true case probably connects to her story.

You know, it would, it would be a similar network that would connect to the true cause he basically was the. For these very high level pedophiles that were, you know, and also murdering, you know, raping and murdering kids as well. So, um, and you know, they needed someone to take a fall for it and to true was that was the guy.

So as far as what you’re saying is looking at these things in storytelling, this is why I’ve always been interested by storytelling as a spiritual. It’s always, it’s always called like a psycho spiritual warfare, right? If you really want to transform, you have to, you have to be transformed. If you want to transform things, you have to be transformed.

You have to go, you have to start, you can’t start a story at the same place that you end it. Right? So I love about storytelling. It’s like you begin a story with a certain understanding and you have to go through the process and you have to deepen and you have to realize like, exactly there, there is this, you know, this dance of shadow and light, and there’s a deep, uh, an ability to deepen and hold empathy, you know, and this is why the greatest stories you can understand.

The villain, right? You can at least under, maybe at least get a sense, even a sociopath. You can perhaps understand where they’re coming from, what their intentions are, what their goals are. What’s blocking them. Ultimately what we get in terms of, uh, you know, Satanism it’s like people oftentimes just Satanism becomes a block in their mind.

It’s like either, oh, that’s laughable, that’s silly. Or it’s, you know, oh, you know, these people are, you know, whatever vision you have or illustration you have. But I try to say, look, materialism is Stanek. If you, if you, if you worship the material realm, if you are stuck in ego, if your only ambition is acquisition right.

In gain. Right. And, and, and ultimately it’s that the reptilian brain at the root that for so long has been stuck in this pattern of. Acquisition. Um, I’m afraid I need to gobble something up. I need to strike first. You know, the Cobra, Kai strike first, strike hard, no mercy. The reptilian brain that is, is just looking to basically, uh, uh, satiate itself and protect itself.

And, um, can’t have this deeper faith in what the spirit has brought this into existence that carries us through this the darkest of times, as well as the law, the best of times that trusting in that spirit, right? This is the fundamental battle. And it doesn’t matter what religion you want to be called or what, you know, what your faith is.

It’s just, you have it or not. And this is always what’s interested me. This is why I’ve, I’ve oftentimes pushed against, you know, religious doctrines and dogmas because I realized people are, are oftentimes just as brainwashed within their own. As, you know, people are now brainwashed by the science. It’s like, this is the way this is the only way.

And it’s like, no, it’s not the only way. The way is faith. Do you actually have faith while you’re actually here with faith and trust in this higher power, that’s guiding this process and are you willing to go through this journey and experience it and actually feel it and actually see, and look in the face of those things that are evil and dark.

And can you actually find forgiveness because that is the Christ that spirit can you actually hold even the most evil beings and actually if, but if we could all just look at them and this is what’s so interesting, if we could all just look at the cloud Schwab of the world and put everyone, put their attention and their eyeballs on the cloth Schwab, and actually said, look at what’s going on with you.

We want to actually have a session. This is, this would be a shamonic experience. This is actually how you start to solve real-world problems. You have to get back to shamonic tribal conceptions of. Holding space simultaneously putting people, putting pressure, putting pressure, even just energetically on people.

It’s saying, we’re looking at you now, or bill gates or whoever, you know, what is, what is going on with you? What’s going on in your reality? What are you trying to achieve? You know, what’s your emotional state like Sergeant to actually get this guy to open up and realize, man, you’re traumatized. You’re trying to control others because you’re in trauma yourself.

Let’s have it. Let’s have a giant session here. You know, a group session of Gullah, you know, of, of global importance on these so-called elites, self self-proclaimed elites who want it, who want to say they have power over others and say, okay, first of all, can you actually, first of all, have a session where the planet is looking at you and you’re going to open up about who you are and what your fears are and what your goals are.

You can’t be a leader. You can’t be a leader from the shadows. You can’t be a leader from, you know, who’s, who’s trying to manipulate others and tell us what to do. Who are you to, who are you? Who is this person that we put in power? Who is Justin Trudeau? Who is. No one knows that this is the problem with our planet.

We are giving away power people. We don’t even know who they are. Then you start to look, you start to get stories coming out and start to realize, man, these people have probably been, have probably done some pretty horrendous things, but we are surrendering power to, but we don’t even know who they are.

Would you let in your own home, would you let your, would you, if you had a father, you didn’t even know what, you know what, you didn’t know your father, but you let him run your home. No. Why don’t we give our power to people to run our lives? Don’t even know the first thing about them. This is our incentive.

This is our collective insanity.

[00:26:40] Alex Tsakiris: Yeah. I’m with you on so many of those points, but there’s so many different angles to Gladys in so many different jumping off points. You know, one of the things also, I just heard in this interview recently and it really was excellent and it was kind of a quirky interview, but.

It’s it’s about the power and control issues that we all have. And that’s what you said, Sean, I’m just, this is rehashing what you said and, and you brought it down to just a really personal level that we can all relate to is like, Hey, I got power and control issues. I look at my family. I look at my wife, I have power and control issues.

I’ll look at my children. I got power and control issues. I want them to be a certain way. Is it really so hard for us to understand how that extends to people who have, you know, just enormous, enormous power in how our culture is telling them they’re supposed to enact that power? I mean like, uh, uh, bill gates is, uh, is a tragic figure.

I mean, you just look at him and he’s just a tragic figure. He’d be in some Shakespearian play, look into his eyes. I mean, it just, that’s not a, a good soul there, you know, but what has his life been, which is kind of what you’re alluding to, but also from a power standpoint, he had more money than he could ever spend when he was 23 years old.

And he was a self-made man, too. He could say, even though he came from a nice family,

[00:28:12] Sean Stone: more obviously made every step of the way he makes. And the question, you know, it’s like I had this conversation recently, by the way about gates with this guy that said, oh, I like gates. You know, I, he does business with them or whatnot.

And I say, okay, why what’s he about why is he trying to, why is he trying to control your body? I’m always not trying to control it, but he’s trying to help the planet. You know, he’s done more for the planet than anybody say, aha. So sticking, sticking a needle in everybody is what is really going to help is that really is that really what’s, what’s going to help people when we are dealing with you name it, irrigation issues, farm, you know, uh, standards of living the lack of energy and clean, you know, not just clean water, but lack of energy to actually power their, you know, a normal, a modern, let’s say a modern middle-class standard of living.

Is he actually looking to, to, to raise the standard of living in Africa? It’s like, what are they talking about? But Sean, even,

[00:29:02] Alex Tsakiris: even that response is switching over again into the materia. In the material world, right? Because when you switch into the spiritual realm, like you talk about so many times, you’re like, why would I think that it is, that is somehow my job to do anything other than to bring this light forward?

You know, like it doesn’t take much to get to an understanding of spirituality. Like, Hey, I’m supposed to fill the hole with light, wherever I find the hole, I’m supposed to fill it with light. And I’m going to run across a lot of these people who they got the hole and the only way they found to fill it is with darkness.

That’s tragic. That’s too bad. I can try and help you, but I’m trying to help everybody. Cause I’m just about the light kind of thing. So in that sense, I don’t worry about gates, you know, and what his it’s just that he’s a pathetic kind of doesn’t look like he is, it looks like his whole is not filled with light to me kind of thing.

[00:29:55] Sean Stone: No, no, it was not filled with light and there are very few. Well, and this is the, this is the, this is, this is the nature of our reality that we have right now. It’s that we, how do you say most people are just in it for themselves? It doesn’t matter left right center. I mean, you really look at the quality of leadership.

It’s not that people that there are a few people that are out there that actually holding an anchor of faith. Hey, I’m here with a faith in a higher power. This is not about me. This is about what I’m here to serve. Right? There’s very few like that. But I think that the revolution and the transformation comes from, from the masses, it comes from the millions of people waking up and taking their power back.

I think that’s really, we don’t. So in a sense, we become the leaders, those of us that survive this transition phase become the leaders. And it’s more of a collective leadership because it’s reciprocity based. So it’s no longer about power. So you always said in the old, since I was young, I said, Machiavelli is wrong.

Is that fear, power is not in fear, powers and love because the moment, if you, if someone fears you, the moment you’re weak, you end up like Harvey Weinstein, right? Everyone stabs you. The moment you’re weak, they turn on you. They drop you Caesar when you’re, when you’re, when you well Caesar, whether or not he was weak.

That’s, you know, that’s a different, I think that was just, that was a mass conspiracy. But the, but the point is that love is power because when you’re weak people comfort you, that’s where power is. And that’s why power is about love. It’s about reciprocity. Cause I know, you know, listen, Hey, you know, if I’ve got all this wealth like gates and people are sucking at my kneecaps and I can do whatever I want.

As long as that wealth is there, right? The guy didn’t have that wealth who would be there. He’d be, he’d be, he’d be naked. So that’s the true, that’s the true emperors. And they’ll close. You see the people that are literally just naked except for the. Their wealth. Oh, okay. So, you know, we’re gonna, we’re going to pretend we like you.

We don’t like you naked. We only like you with all your, with all your Royal robes and things. If the knee, if they love the emperor, he’d be walking naked. They would love a man anyway. And that’s why the future is going to be power based in connection. If you love someone, Hey, today, the money is here tomorrow.

It’s not here, but guess what? If you have friends and allies, there’s always an opportunity to make money or make money. Let’s say, make something, make something to create money because money itself doesn’t mean anything. It’s what you’re creating. Right? You’re growing something. You’re building a company you’re employing employing people.

You’re engaging people like that’s wealth, right? That brings wealth money itself. Doesn’t mean.

[00:32:47] Alex Tsakiris: So a couple of things that have kind of driven amplified my kind of spiritual quest is some science parts of it. Near-death experience science. I find very compelling reincarnation science, you know, the guys at university of Virginia, all that stuff, very compelling.

I’ve heard you touch on the reincarnation thing. How are you processing that in your worldview right now? What does that, what does that mean to you? Which part would reincarnation? Because if you think about it, it just throws everything. I mean, I think a lot of people haven’t kind of fully internalized what that means.

You know, they get hung up on racist. Well, first, you’re just here now in this, or they get hung up on privilege issues. I’ve heard you talk about privilege. It’s like, Hey man, I don’t know why you were thrown in this situation that this is a situation. It’s not a privilege. It’s just where you wound up in the next time around again, I’m a science guy.

The science would suggest that you will experience multiple ones of these little actor things and they won’t all look the same to you. What does that mean? And near death experience science suggests that you will be the judge of your deeds. You will feel like, gosh, I could have done more, you know, kind of thing, or I shouldn’t you get where I’m going.

[00:34:15] Sean Stone: I’m very interested by the idea that consciousness is actually growing and expanding. I’m really interested by the idea that there, there are limitations of consciousness that people have experienced. And we are approaching a different, uh, how do you say we know, for example, like, you know, this, the brain inhibits our, our, our experience, our experience.

That’s why when people take certain psychedelic drugs, it actually starts to shut when I say shut the brain down, but actually like it, it basically

[00:34:49] Alex Tsakiris: inhibits off

[00:34:51] Sean Stone: filters. It turns off those blocks. And all of a sudden we start to realize, oh my God, I’m connected to everything. So our consciousness is limited.

There’s no ways you can tell me that our consciousness is not limited, but the question of how limited it is is a very interesting thing. I actually wonder that human history is the design of the expansion of consciousness. And as the consciousness expands through human history, you actually get these manifestations of it in the physical form.

Like, you know, the ability now to have instant communication with people across the planet. These are all expressions. These are physical expressions of the spiritual nature of consciousness expanding. So our consciousness and he say, whatever I am is that sliver of consciousness that comes through this form.

And yes, it is connected to a soul. The soul is not necessarily necessarily connected to a race, but there are greater, I think, racial implications to soul groups. I do, I do tend to be, I do tend to see certain qualities and certain, um, certain tendencies, right. Based on certain lineages, but we’ll hold,

[00:36:13] Alex Tsakiris: hold on.

But before you say something that I don’t follow up on, how do you understand that? How do you understand that?

[00:36:20] Sean Stone: Because race has come from different areas. If we’re looking at, okay, I look at it like this, I look at the human race as one race. So race is maybe not the right word. Um, but there are different groups, right?

There’s different, there’s different groups. And the question is where we start seated, which I tend to believe that we were star seated. That’s why you have this differences of why, you know, why is there, why is there white, black, you know, yellow, Asian, so-called, you know, more like, you know, uh, the so-called red, red men, but I think maybe, you know, maybe the Asians moving through the land bridge to the Americas, but still having these different, the Polynesians, having these different groups,

you know, are we just evolve from one being, or are we seated from different iterations? Because I don’t believe in, I don’t believe in Darwinian. I don’t tend to believe that the monkey became conscious in the form of a human eye or, you know, some kind of evolution of consciousness. I believe that there was something that’s that, that murder that connected us in a divine way, kind of like the Michelangelo painting that allowed us to have this consciousness right.

At a different level than any other animal on the planet. So when I see that we have different, you know, different racial groups, let’s say of the human race, then you can say that there are, uh, that we come from different potentially different, different star systems or seatings. And, um, and we obviously matriculate from different parts of the planet, right?

So it leads, it lends itself to different conditions, the same way that you would argue between like, you know, why are the Mediterranean qualities different than the. You know, people have been saying this for sentencing, you know, for, for decades, not for centuries, right. That the Mediterranean peoples tend to be warmer or they tend to be a bit more expressive and free.

And the, of peoples, as we know, it tend to be a bit more stiff, a little bit like stiffer colder, right. Um, the right, maybe a little bit more war-like compared to the Mediterranean cultures. So there’s, you know, but that’s not necessarily true. It just there’s this different quality. That’s why I’m talking about like different qualities based on lineages perhaps based on locations, perhaps based on tradition.


[00:38:50] Alex Tsakiris: sure. You realize how that’s going to be construed as incredibly racist to a lot of people, but who cares? Let’s get beyond that to the level two and level three, because you’re bringing up some other interesting stuff. The star seeding stuff gets into the whole EO UFO contact, which I constantly think if that’s not on the table, then you’re not really even talking about this stuff.

One of the things I really appreciate again about your work is that’s right there. That’s right in the center of it too. It has say we have to factor that in just like we have to factor in religion and that’s why we have to put quotes around satanic. It’s not a Christian thing. It’s a. Light versus dark thing.

But I think the tricky thing about race is, again, I look at the science, you know, the near-death experience science, I think it’s compelling stuff. The, between lives stuff is compelling. You know, Michael Newton does this, you know, Michael Newton’s story is really interesting. He’s the guy who did the past life regressions.

His story is interesting because he’s just a hypnotherapist and he has somebody come in, you know, and they’re afraid of spiders and he goes, okay, I want you to go back and remember, oh yeah, it was two years old. There was a spider crawling on my face. My mom got all freaked out. Okay, there you go. That’s why you’re afraid of spiders come out of the, that come out of the trance, you know?

Oh gosh, I’m not afraid of spiders anymore. So one day he’s doing this hypnosis session with somebody. The guy goes, I’m on a battlefield. I have a sword, you know, and he goes, okay. And he happens to be Newton, happens to be a history buff. So he starts, he said, it’s a little bit outside of, you know, on, of professional ethics, but I go, what emblem is he wearing on his shoulder?

All this kind of stuff. He gets all this details and he traces it down and he finds the guy and it sends them on this whole thing of. This past life thing is real. And then what it sends him into is this stuff about between lives and about being in a soul group and deciding where you go. And it would kind of fit with what you’re saying, but there’s always the outlier.

There’s the one from a different soul group that says, Hey, I want to jump into your stream over here, which would make a ton of sense. Why wouldn’t it? And then that again, throws a whole racist thing out of it. It’s like, yeah, you got your group here and you’re kind of marching along and evolving your consciousness.

But that doesn’t mean it’s a, it’s a very free flowing thing. You can bring in anyone from a different. Or from a different as people talk about from a different planet, from a different galaxy and all the rest of that. And then the other thing that I think just blows away with our kind of concrete materialistic evidence is the 23 and me thing.

Right? So you have all these families, saguaro proud, real bloodline and stuff. And then you find out, you know, the one kid there that always looked a little different, you know, he doesn’t exactly come from the same lineage, but we, no one knew that that was a deep, dark secret in the family, but we always treated him or her like that.

And we treat it, you know what I mean? So it’s just, I agree with what you’re saying. I think it makes, it does make sense, but the larger picture is it’s just kinda more of a free for all in terms of how these souls travel through this huge infinite consciousness thing that we have. Do you have any thoughts on that whole thing?

[00:42:04] Sean Stone: Yeah. It’s, it’s, it’s, it’s so big. It’s so complex, right? This, I think, you know, the seating of the human race or the, you know, or the. The various groups, right? Because I mean, look, where does the RH negative come from? Isn’t this one of the great mysteries that I’m sure you looked at night that the negative Reese’s where there’s no Reese’s monkey and its lineage and you know, people with orange negative, they, they, they claim to have different abilities.

Oftentimes they say that they tend to be more like psychically attuned or things like this. And not ever, obviously there’s likely people be certainly attend to people in all groups, but there was something odd about this orange negative thing. So I don’t, again, I mean the rate, see, it’s like the most racist thing to me is the focus on race, right?

So when you get things like, you know, critical race theory, or you get various evolutions of, of modern racism where it’s like, everything is about what color your skin is. I find that more racist than just talking about, let’s say, look, we have linear. Right. And so, you know, my lineage, as far as I can, you know, I can trace, you know, it goes back to certain parts.

It’s it’s north Europe, it’s, you know, France it’s, uh, partly, you know, Russia, Russian Jewish it’s maybe Mongo, because we certainly, like when I did the 23 and me, we went, you know, we, we raised in a lot with like people from like Turkmenistan and stuff like this. So, um, you know, so it’s like, you know, that’s just lineage.

That’s, you know, we know that our DNA is informed by ancestors. You know, they say we have genetic memory, you know, sorry. Our memory can be influenced genetically at least seven generations or, or, or, or maybe up to 13 generations. I think. So the point is that it’s not like it’s not a fallacy to talk about re you know, us talking about lineages.

It’s just, I think people get simplified with this racial thing, you know? And it’s like, Obama is a black man. I’m like, you know, he’s. I mean, it’s like, so, so we have the illusion of, oh, for sure. For sure. I mean, this guy was totally, you know, CIA, he was a total deep state creature, but the point is that like, you know, we have this illusion of color.

Right. And I think this is something we really got to get past is like, just cause your color is pigmentation. I mean, they’re there, you know, as we know, they’re all, BuyNow, you know, black people who are albino, uh, you know, who would look wider than me. It’s like, so we got to get past this notion of color lineage is important.

Um, just to understand where we are. To understand, you know, certain as much as we can, perhaps certain tendencies or certain, you know, certain things in our, in our ancestral memory, that’s working through us, right? Traumas, pains, things like this spiritually, you can do a lot of work. I mean, my girlfriend teaches breath work, uh, in our, he shows us a healing arts academy or spirit, you know, spiritual and healing, arts and breath work is a very powerful tool for doing trauma work.

People have memories of things and yeah, I mean, people, white people can have memories of past lives as, you know, native American or black and vice versa. I mean, why this shouldn’t be, they shouldn’t be held as racist. Like just to say like, Hey, I, I resonate, you know, with, you know, with this person. And I supposed to say that too, I’ve been called out racist for saying, I resonate with NACA max.

When he said, you know, he said this great quote about, you know, the media will make. Oh, oppressor looked like the good guy and the oppressed looked like the bad guy. Right. And they’ll have you, you know, they’ll have you mixing up. Who’s the oppressor and who is the oppressed. And I’m like, I resonate with that.

Oh, you can’t say that you’re not black. It’s like, I can resonate with it. I can resonate with a monkey. If I resonate with a monkey. I mean, why can’t we resonate? We are souls that are here to resonate. That’s actually, our point is to stop. See they use the vision because the strongest power is, as we know as connection, we’re all, you know, love.

It’s connecting from, you know, no matter what your background is, it’s love. We can love, can love animals. We can love children. I mean, all these things like they’ve perverted, pedophilia just means love of child. So they’ve turned that into, into this corrupt sexual thing. When it should have just been no it’s love of children, it should not be called.

You know, we should get love out of that phrase. That should not be anywhere near what’s happening when people are corrupting children. So you see they, their whole, the game is, and this is the dark side and the game is turning. You know, identity politics, then any politics becomes vaccine politics, you know, are you vaccinated?

You can’t be my friend. If you’re not vaccinate, you can’t come in here for not Mexican. This is how they do it. It’s just so simple because they know the power of connection and love is the most powerful force in existence.

[00:46:22] Alex Tsakiris: you know, there’s a couple of the places I want to make sure we touch on and you’ve touched on it a little bit, but I want to hit it again and that’s religion.

And again, it’s like, you’ve lived so many lives, you know, you’ve gone through the whole thing. I mean, you’ve went over to Iran and then you got, you know, oh, he’s Muslim. That was the thing. You could still find that out there. Oh, I got to show you this. Cause I don’t know if this means anything or not. This could be totally meaningless.

But when I go to Amazon, , Shawn Ali stone. I mean, I’ve never seen your name spelled out as Sean Ali stone again, but with all the stuff they tried to spin your openness to looking at, you know, other traditions, I gotta believe there.

And you’re one you’re not even listed as a leading author. I’m the thing, which the book, just look at the cover of the book. It’s Sean Stone, new world order. And then

[00:47:18] Sean Stone: Amazon, he’s more, he’s a more prolific author than I am. So I think there, you know, it helps for promotional purposes, I suppose. No, I

[00:47:27] Alex Tsakiris: don’t think so.

It’s that? They’re burying Sean Stone and they’re saying Sean Ali stone, which sends you spinning, and then you go look on Wikipedia and oh, we think he’s a Muslim and all the rest of this. Here’s my point that I want you to talk about. It seems like such an obvious, uh, PSYOP, such an obvious. Why would you, why would anyone think that they need a spiritual intermediary?

You know, I have some kind of experience with the divine. Why would I then immediately go, oh no, I can only understand it through this guy’s book or somebody jumps in and says, no, I’m the only means by which you can interpret your spiritual experience. It seems like such a social engineering project from the beginning.

Why do we carry it around, like an anchor on our ass and kind of even give it any, I guess you have to, but I don’t, I mean, I just don’t give it any credence.

[00:48:23] Sean Stone: I think we talked a little bit earlier about the level of consciousness and where consciousness is. And I do, I think that it served, it served an important purpose, the same way that the S any, any state, any government is, has served his purposes.

Right. There’s certain levels of con. That are put into, you know, you name it from the 10 commandments forward, right? Certain codes of conduct and religion has served in that way to help people find codes of conduct. So you could say, is it, is it, is it, uh, is it skeptical as far as like the goodness of humans?

Does it look at humans as, you know, basically sort of these things that need to be ordered and controlled to some extent, yes. Social engineering has played a role has played. Its has, has had a purpose let’s blank. This, it has had a purpose, but it, but there are junctures where you get the revolutionary juncture where consciousness is expanding, right.

And the limitation of these ordering structures can no longer serve that. I think with these religious texts, what’s always been interesting to me is that you do have these Gnostic traditions, uh, that are directly more called gnosis is the concept of more direct knowledge of. Connection to source that’s within the Islamic realm.

It’s more known as Sufism and there’s obviously other sex, but Sophia ism is a very prominent one. Um, within Judaism, there’s Kabbalah Kabbalah and things like this. Um, every religion essentially has that, that more Gnostic tradition and the point being, yes, there’s a lot of, there’s a lot of truth in these texts.

There’s a lot of truth in the biblical texts. You know, there’s a lot of truth in the, in the, in the, in the, in the writing, in the right writings of the new Testament, which we attribute to Christ where they really came from, you know, 80 years later, it’s a little bit difficult to know, you know, sorry, it’s 80, it’s 88 D or after thereafter.

So it’s a little 50 years after the death. So-called so it’s a little difficult to know how real these things are, but there’s still truth in them. Same with the crime, many truths in them, many powerful expressions. So I’ve always been interested by the more Gnostic interpretations. That doesn’t mean that I discount the power and the tool of the teachers or the spiritual leaders that came forward.

Um, but it’s ultimately it’s, these are, these are guides and you know, they are ways for you to then say, Hey, there should be as an Islam. They say there should be no compulsion in religion. So why is there a compulsion? It’s not the religion itself. It’s the people using it the same with any, you know, look what’s happening in our country right now.

You know that we have a constitution. Do people follow it? Are people acknowledging the constitution? They respecting it. So, you know what he going to say, oh, the founders are wrong to give us a constitution. No, it was, it was, it was a moment in time and they were very important truths in it. Thankfully that Trent, I think that will stand the test of time, but people will abuse it.

And that’s just, that’s the danger of, of giving people authority over you in general. So it doesn’t matter if it’s religion politics, going back to what I said earlier, you know, why are we empowering people authority over us? We have to know who these people are at a deep level, at a spiritual level. Who is this person?

Does this person come from the light? Or they actually have, they worked through their, their traumas and their issues of control of they, you know, they are they, are they on a healing journey or are they on a.

[00:51:48] Alex Tsakiris: So you brought up the topic of politics. And that’s another thing that I wanted to talk about. I don’t, I don’t know how to process, uh, politics to me.

The lessons learned suggests that it’s some kind of theatrical play that we don’t even understand. The beginnings of. I’ve heard you talk about Trump. I don’t know how to process Trump. I mean, Trump is still saying, gee, the vaccine, the vaccine he’s leading, he’s saying, he’s saying, uh, Joe Biden, isn’t sticking to the plan on the vaccine.

Let me back in there so I can do it. I don’t know how anything he could possibly say after that is credible. Obviously they, they, they so blatantly, uh, rig the election. Really kind of the story there is we know that the elections are rigged, but this one seemed to be so obviously rigged, but I come back to, I don’t want to digress.

If, if Trump isn’t going to come clean on Fowchee, if he isn’t going to come clean on the vaccine, then why would we go through another round of him claiming that he’s just about ready to drain the swamp kind of thing. Does that have any credibility to you?

[00:52:57] Sean Stone: I think when Trump said that he was in favor of the vaccine, there’s, there’s two factors at work.

One he’s that generation, my father, most, a lot of these boomers. I know they all, they believe in the vaccines, that’s their belief. They know. And it’s like, you can’t argue this. You can’t argue them away from it. That’s just there they’ve bought in. They bought in since the days of the polio vaccine, which gave people Sr 40 disease, this disease monkey disease, but Hey, it’s saved lives.


So on that level, Trump’s going to believe in the VAT and vaccinations. I don’t think that Trump ever would have said mandated. I don’t see why he would, I don’t see that as his ideology, whereas politics. So when he said he’s in favor of it, what it actually did was it took away the media, which is really the ones working with in conjunction with, with Fowchee, NIH, working with bill gates, you know, basically backed by guilt bill gates.

Let’s be honest. Gates is the major player in a lot of the scheme, um, the media, his ability to, to attack him if he said he was against the vaccines, do you think that would actually change the Republican’s position? No, but it would make it such that anyone who says I’m against the vaccines becomes an immediate Trump supporter.

So he saved a lot of us from that like, oh, you must believe it because Trump said it now look at the statistics who were the most people getting the vaccines Democrats by far Republicans, it split. So I don’t think that Trump really is the difference. Between people getting a VAX or not, but it takes away.

This is why politics is literally RO WWE entertainment. Like there is level of like, Hey, you know, the, you know, we can’t turn Trump, the media cancer and Trump into the bad guy on the vaccine issue, which, and also anyone who’s who’s against the vaccines would become a bad guy because we’re pro Trump.

It’s like, so they were already labeled as anti-vaxxers. But now, you know, don’t, don’t muddle the water by saying that, you know, Trump’s in favor of it. So you must be following Trump on this. I think that was fine as far as I’m concerned. Cause it doesn’t really matter. What matters is why did they rig the election?

Why do they need them out? Because they couldn’t push this, this crazy insane policy that they’re doing. And people I think are with. Looking around going, what the hell you opened the borders you’re flooding us. You know, COVID cases have completely gotten, you know, gotten worse since the vaccine rollout, uh, people, you know, people are still getting it and dying.

I mean, everything that you could talk about as far as the Afghan withdrawal, the potential war with Ukraine, uh, the inflation, the supply chain issues. You can’t look here and go, this is a great, this is a good presidency. This is like, things are more divisive since these guys who came in just like Trudeau, you know, coming in promising, uh, unity and became more divisive.

So actually I think, Hey, they kind of played their hand with this election thing. Yeah, I’ve turned more people against them in a way,

[00:55:54] Alex Tsakiris: maybe, you know, but to me that just seems like a standard standard, right. Playbook opened the playbook. That’s the first page is divided rule, you know, divide, divide, divide matter how, how it looks if it’s divisive, it’s good.

But here’s the rub I have. And this is where we’ll kind of maybe wrap it up. You’re very generous with your time as a truth seeker. Don’t we run the risk of playing that WWE game in a way that we shouldn’t play it. Isn’t it really just about saying, you know, like, I love what you just said about Trump being of a different generation and you can kind of understand it as you kind of understand your dad and you know, you get together at Thanksgiving.

You’re like, man, I’m not going there. You know, we’ve gone there a hundred times. That’s just not going to do it again. I get that. But when we enter the realm of that guy being. The leader that you talked about then don’t we just have to say, nah, that’s just bullshit. You just can’t, you can’t do that. You got to own, you got to own five, choose a liar.

You got to own that. It’s a bio weapon. You got to own all that stuff. Or I just can’t go forward with it. And that doesn’t mean I have, uh, any other option because I don’t, but I can’t go forward because I can only go forward with the truth.

[00:57:10] Sean Stone: I would never expect a homeless man to give me a hundred dollars.

I don’t expect people to give me what they can’t give or do what they can, what they’re not able to do. When Trump came in. What I loved was that it was, it was a sign that the system was, was, was collapsing. And essentially that this was the king Kong element of bring this thing down. That’s what this is about.

This is about devolution. The beginning of the year, I said, listen, we got to bring the power back. What was given to us in the constitution? The, the rights not given enumerated directly for the federal government are reserved to the people, to the states and the people they’re in. That’s the bill of rights, 10th amendment.

That’s what we need. Bring the power back to us. I don’t care about the federal, the federal level. You’re playing too many. There’s too many interests. There’s too much money involved. It’s a rigged game. You know, like 1 0 7 said, you can’t fix these C you can’t can’t fix DC because it is fixed. It’s a fixed, okay.

You’re talking to a corporation, it’s a corporate, it’s a fricking corporation. It’s not even, it’s literally, it’s a corporate state, but they establish the district of Columbia corporate state. They’ve set up, uh, and they’re occupying us with it. We need to bring the power back to the people we need to bring to that power back to the states first.

So the counties to the level of what is closest to us, this is our path. This is our bringing power to ourselves. That’s the path forward. Trump is great because he’s there to inspire. You know, to basically rally to shake people up, but no, it’s up to us to do a work. We can’t sit there and say, anyone else is going to do it.

We each are of us and trusting, you know, again, it’s not like we have to go out there and have a revolution. We’ve got to trust the spirit. We’ve gotta trust the spirit that’s working through this time. Period. That’s elucidating things and we’ll continue to elucidate things for us. And it just, as things lose.

So then it’s our consciousness transforms and we realize new potential realities that are formed new, real, new realities that we can step into. It’s a process. It’s not an overnight thing. This, this takes time. Consciousness needs to crack. It’s like breaking that dam, you know, it’s like you create enough pressure.

And it’s like slowly there starts, you know, the cracks start to, you know, start to give. And next thing you know, it’s like, it’ll, it will, it will ultimately break. But you know, just every crack, you know, like that’s what Leonard Cohen said, right? Every that, every crack that’s how the light gets in every crack man.

[00:59:35] Alex Tsakiris: From your lips to God’s ears, as they say, Hey, Sean, what are you? What are you working on nowadays? What’s the next big thing, as I mentioned a minute ago, you know, you continue to put out some great, great interviews. I mean, again, it’s because you have this, this background, you know, you just are so tuned into all these kinds of things.

I just saw the interview. You did about the RFK Jr. Book, you know, number one book in the country for six weeks. And you know, that tell the media when they can just pretend it doesn’t exist. The media can pretend that the truck drivers aren’t rolling down the streets of Canada. And there are millions of protesters on the streets in, in Europe and all the rest of that stuff.

So you’re still doing work. W w w how, where are you going to channel that? How is that going to come

[01:00:25] Sean Stone: out? You know, I’m in between projects, so we’ll see what that next, what, you know, what God wants. I would say, you know, essentially it’s like you can’t force the universe. The universe is going to bring through.

What is needed next. So for now I do the Patreon stuff. Um, cause that’s a good place to just do interviews, conversations that are interesting to me and let people have a, have a listen. I’m also offering like meditations there and also even the private sessions that people want to do. Like, uh, you know, coaching guidance, feedback.

[01:00:55] Alex Tsakiris: You know, in listening to some of your meditations, they’re really nice. They’re very, very openhearted. You can tell it’s completely sincere. how are you understanding your connection to ITI? And I know that’s super complicated and we could spend a lot of time on that. But again, I think it’s central to this.

I don’t know for myself I’ll offer. I don’t quite understand it. I don’t quite understand the. It seems like a reality, but it’s just beyond my realm of understanding how all that fits in star seeding abduction, which clearly seems like it’s definitely just it’s happening. You know, , genetic engineering, even the people who are in those communities who are, you know, have the most different opinions.

I remember even interviewing Dr. David Jacobs and Mary Rodwell, both who have done hypnotic sessions with hundreds and hundreds of people and they’re disagreeing left and right on all this stuff. And then David Jacobs goes, well, it’s a program, you know? And then I got, well, Mary, what is, what do you say about that?

David says it’s a program and she pauses for a minute. Cause she’s all about the love and light and. Well, yeah, it’s definitely a program. It’s a program. I mean, isn’t that the lead story on it. So how are you processing the ITI thing in your personal spirituality? To whatever extent you, you feel comfortable talking about that?

[01:02:21] Sean Stone: Again, I, I trust in creator, you know, in the, in the creator, let’s say the, the highest levels of creation working through from like the angelic realm and everything in this universe is birth from, to me from, from, from that source. So everything that we experience is, is exists within the realms of the infinitude of potentiality.

But all that we can know is this moment, everything outside of this moment, it’s, it’s, it’s basically, it’s a, it’s a belief. It’s a memory. It’s an idea. It’s an imagining.

[01:03:02] Alex Tsakiris: It’s like

[01:03:02] Sean Stone: WWE to reduction, right? It’s a reduction what’s what’s now is this experience as we feel it. And the truth is we don’t fully feel even this moment.

We don’t fully experience even this moment. So really what is there to say, we’re here to debate. We’re here to discuss, we’re here to experience. We’re here to feel and have the contrast and all these different polarities as we, the, I am, comes to know itself better.

[01:03:32] Alex Tsakiris: Yeah. That’s that’s beautiful. Sean. It’s it’s yeah, I think that’s pretty solid ground there.

So again, for people to follow you, you think Patrion is, is the best place or

[01:03:44] Sean Stone: place that they can, you know, they can support and get new content. Um, obviously I’ve put stuff on social media, on Instagram and rumble and such, but I really think, uh, pat Jones, a good place where I feel like. Put out these interviews without being censored by YouTube.

[01:04:00] Alex Tsakiris: Well, fantastic. Thanks again so much for coming on. Appreciate


[01:04:04] Sean Stone: All right, brother.

Thank you. Bye.


[01:04:07] Alex Tsakiris: Thanks again to Sean Stone for joining me today on.

The one question I tee up from this interview is what do you think? Power and control issues, personal power and control issues might have to do with the craziness that we see in the world.

It’s kind of a funny question to contemplate because we all understand our own power and control issues. We just can’t imagine what they’d be like if they were amped up 10, 20, a hundred times, let me know your thoughts on that. Of course, I got some really good ones coming up to stay with me for all of that. Until next time, take care and bye for now.



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