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Robert Schwartz is a hypnotherapist who believes patients can discover their pre-life plan.

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… scientists tell us that the giant tsunami wave that devastated Southeast Asia in 2004 wasn’t as big as we usually imagine. It’s not that they got hit by a 20-foot-tall wave, as depicted here in the 2012 movie, The Impossible. It’s that they got crushed by a 20-foot wall of water that was miles and miles deep… and the human suffering that it brought is unimaginable… hundreds of thousands died… millions of lives were destroyed… and the devastation will go on for generations.

But maybe not.

Robert Schwartz: You’ll remember that a number of years ago there was a natural disaster in Southeast Asia, there was a typhoon and monsoon that killed about 100,000 people. I’ve asked about that event in the research I’ve done for planning Your Soul’s Gift and what I was told, in the channeling sessions, is that those 100,000 or so souls, before they were born, they looked at the earth and they said basically, “We would like the earth, as a planet, as a whole, to be in a certain frequency or vibration by a certain in linear time, and if it looks as if the earth is not going to get there, we agree to give our lives in a large scale natural disaster, because we know that the result of that disaster will be a worldwide outpouring of love and support and aid and compassion that will elevate the frequency of the entire plant.

Alex Tsakiris: I think for a lot of people, including myself, that’s just an unsatisfying answer.

Let me be clear, I don’t mean to be dismissive or condescending of today’s guest, Robert Schwartz. I believe he’s a true spiritual seeker and someone who dedicates his life to helping people and I don’t know if he’s right or wrong about the soul’s plan, raise the consciousness of the planet thing. I don’t know, but I want to know, at least, I want to investigate the best that I can. I want to have this level three discussion beyond the complete denial that consciousness exists and be on the Pollyanna, good-natured but misguided acceptance of every opinion on the matter. I want to get to level three. Intelligent, earnest, truth seekers like Rob, who are trying to figure out what all of this means.

Stick around. My interview with Robert Schwartz about what goes on between lives is coming up next on Skeptiko.

Alex Tsakiris: Today we welcome Robert Schwartz to Skeptiko. Rob is a trained hypnotherapist who helps guide people through past life regressions. He’s also the author of two very popular books, Your Soul’s Plan: Discovering the Real Meaning of the Life You Planned and Your Soul’s Gift.

Rob, welcome to Skeptiko, thanks for joining me.

Robert Schwartz: Thank you Alex, it’s a pleasure to be here with you.

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Alex Tsakiris: What do we do with the differences, the fundamental differences we sometimes get back about what these extended consciousness realms are?

Robert Schwartz: Well, I think what you do, depends upon what your intention is. If you are a researcher whose intention is to discover absolute truth, so to speak, then you continue with the scientific approach and you try to resolve these apparent discrepancies.

If you’re someone like me, whose intention is to offer a healing perspective or a perspective that gives people the deeper spiritual meaning of purpose, of their biggest challenges, then you simply present the information that comes through with spirit.

I’m aware of all of the various viewpoints that you just mentioned. They’ve all come up at one point or another in the research I did for my books, but again, that has not been my focus. I’m not trying to resolve those discrepancies, I’m focused on the person whose child has a severe illness or who has just lost their spouse in a tragic accident and they’re asking, “How could this happen? What does it mean? How do I heal from this?” Those are the questions that I’m focused on.

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Alex Tsakiris: What are we to make of the religious aspect that some people associate with this kind of work and should that at all be a guide or a caution to doing this work?

Robert Schwartz: I don’t know what the particular religious beliefs are of the two individuals you just mentioned, but my understanding, in general, is that belief is a very powerful creative force. There are subatomic particles that, in some circles, are referred to as trillions, and it’s believed that they rearrange themselves according to a person’s belief system. In other words, matter is rearranging itself according to a person’s belief system.

The implication of that is that everyone is going to have that experience of being right. Their beliefs are going to draw to them evidence that seems to confirm, on the surface, that their beliefs are correct.

So, this is a very powerful phenomenon, as I understand it, and it’s something that I think all of us need to be aware of, especially those of us who are doing research in any particular field.

Alex Tsakiris: Okay, I was kind of waiting, because I thought you were going to add something to that. Well, wouldn’t that equally apply to your work and life planning and between lives and all of that?

Robert Schwartz: It does, it absolutely does. But again, since I’m not endeavoring to prove anything scientifically, again, the focus is on healing, understanding spiritual growth and so forth.

I’m aware of this phenomenon. I know that it’s very strong, but since I’m not attempting to persuade anyone of anything or prove anything in a scientific way, I think it’s sufficient for me, simply, to be aware of it, but those who are in the scientific realm, who are trying to prove something in a scientific way, there it has much more profound implications. I’m not sure exactly what a scientific researcher could or should do about it, other than to be aware of it and how strong it is though.

Alex Tsakiris: I would completely agree, and I think it’s a really important point and I’m glad you made it and I respect how you’re wrestling with it, if I understand you correctly. Let me see if I got that.

What you said is, yeah there may be this, I think the Buddhist call it the tulpa thoughtform thing, where we are creating our reality, all of the time, as we go, and everything is a kind of creation. Therefore, if we want to see past lives, we can see past lives, if we want to see between lives, we can see between lives and we’ll never know, at the very least we’ll never know the “reality” of that. But at another reality, whatever is being created is for our betterment, in terms of our soul’s path, evolution, journey.

Am I on the right track or am I just word salading this whole thing?

Robert Schwartz: No, I think that is very much on the right track and this is something that I talk about in the lectures and in the workshops I do. The third dimension, the world that we live in, was setup to mirror you back to you. That is the fundamental function of life in the third dimension. The world is organized to mirror you back to you, so that you can discover what lies within your consciousness, even if it’s at the subconscious level, and if there’s something there that’s in need of healing, you can then bring it to the light of conscious awareness, or you can then set about healing it.

The way this shows up in my work is that just about everybody has had at least one past life and usually multiple past lives, in my belief system, in which certain things happened that caused them to pick up a false belief or a false feeling about themselves. By false, I mean false from the perspective of their soul.

Two of the most common false beliefs are one, that one is powerless and two, that one is unworthy or perhaps even worthless. If you feel or believe yourself to be powerless or unworthy or worthless, what will happen is, you will magnetize, or draw to yourself, experiences that seem, on the surface, to confirm to you that you are in fact powerless or unworthy or worthless.

This is not done in a punitive way, it’s not done to be harsh, even though it might sound that way. The reason it happens again, is that the world mirrors you back to you, so if you have one of these false beliefs or feelings about yourself, you can then bring it to the light of conscious awareness, or you can then set about healing it. That’s what I think is happening with them.

Alex Tsakiris: Interesting. I really appreciate your openness and your willingness to handle these questions that a lot of people just shut down or they kind of draw into their shell or just show that they’re not open to the kind of exploration that I think is at the core of this work anyway. I mean, if we are discovering our spiritual journey, then I don’t understand why people aren’t open to looking at all different aspects of the problem. So, I really commend you for that.

As we wrap this up, let me come at one other issue that is just kind of a curiosity, it’s more of a curiosity issue. I think there’s something here that I’m trying to drill into, but I’m just asking you from your experience, from your work, from the stuff you’ve seen and done. Do you think there’s a technological or biological aspect to spirit communication? Are we going to see it on our iPhone? Do we see it in consciousness from other planets who are more advanced? Do we see it in ET? Is there a technological, biological aspect to this stuff?

Robert Schwartz: I believe that there’s definitely a biological aspect. This is a little bit beyond my area of expertise, but for example, the pineal gland is very important, in terms of connection with spirit. The chakra system, which is well-known and quite an ancient system of understanding, I think is very important.

There are, as I understand it, several etheric bodies surrounding the physical body. So, from the physical body moving outward, the next layer is the emotional body, then the mental body and then the spiritual body and there are bodies that channel literature that explain what happens to those different bodies after you die and as you move up through the dimensions, you shed them until eventually you have only the spiritual body left.

In terms of technology, I think the really interesting question there is, what will be the connection years down the road, between AI and spirit, because spirit, as I understand it, loves to move into form, form meaning the physical realm. Right now, spirit has moved into physical human bodies and also plant and animal and insect bodies, but it won’t be long until we have various forms of artificial intelligence and what will happen then? Is spirit going to move into a robot? I don’t know the answer to that question, but it will be fascinating to find out.

0:06 – 0:10 scientists tell us that the giant

0:08 – 0:13 tsunami wave that devastated Southeast

0:10 – 0:17 Asia in 2004 wasn’t as big as we usually

0:13 – 0:20 imagine it’s not that they got hit by a

0:17 – 0:25 20-foot tall wave as depicted here in

0:20 – 0:25 the 2012 movie The Impossible

0:33 – 0:41 it’s that they got crushed by a 20-foot

0:37 – 0:46 wall of water that was miles and miles

0:41 – 0:49 deep and the human suffering dude abroad

0:46 – 0:53 is unimaginable

0:49 – 0:56 hundreds of thousands died millions of

0:53 – 1:01 lives were destroyed and the devastation

0:56 – 1:04 will go on for generations but maybe not

1:01 – 1:07 you’ll remember that a number of years

1:04 – 1:09 ago there was a natural disaster in

1:07 – 1:12 Southeast Asia there was a typhoon a

1:09 – 1:13 monsoon that killed about a hundred

1:12 – 1:17 thousand people

1:13 – 1:19 I’ve asked about that event in the

1:17 – 1:22 research I’ve done for your Souls

1:19 – 1:24 planning your souls gift and what I was

1:22 – 1:28 told in the channeling sessions is that

1:24 – 1:31 those 100,000 or so souls before they

1:28 – 1:33 were born they looked at the earth and

1:31 – 1:35 they said basically we would like the

1:33 – 1:37 earth as a planet as a whole

1:35 – 1:40 to be at a certain frequency or

1:37 – 1:40 vibration by a certain point in linear

1:40 – 1:42 time

1:40 – 1:45 and if it looks as though the earth is

1:42 – 1:47 not going to get there we agree to give

1:45 – 1:50 our lives in a large-scale natural

1:47 – 1:52 disaster because we know that the result

1:50 – 1:55 of that disaster will be a worldwide

1:52 – 1:58 outpouring of love and support and aid

1:55 – 2:00 and compassion it will elevate the

1:58 – 2:02 frequency of the entire planet I think

2:00 – 2:07 for a lot of people including myself

2:02 – 2:08 that’s just an unsatisfying answer let

2:07 – 2:10 me be clear I don’t mean to be

2:08 – 2:12 dismissive or condescending of today’s

2:10 – 2:15 guest Robert Schwartz I believe he’s a

2:12 – 2:18 true spiritual seeker and someone who

2:15 – 2:19 dedicates his life to helping people and

2:18 – 2:22 I don’t know if he’s right or wrong

2:19 – 2:24 about the souls plan raise the

2:22 – 2:29 consciousness of the planet thing I

2:24 – 2:31 don’t know but I want to know at least I

2:29 – 2:36 want to investigate the best that I can

2:31 – 2:38 I want to have this level 3 discussion

2:36 – 2:41 beyond the complete denial that

2:38 – 2:45 consciousness exists and beyond the

2:41 – 2:48 Pollyanna good-natured but misguided

2:45 – 2:52 acceptance of every opinion on the

2:48 – 2:55 matter I want to get to level 3

2:52 – 2:59 intelligent earnest truth seekers like

2:55 – 3:01 Rob who are trying to figure out what

2:59 – 3:03 all this means

3:01 – 3:05 stick around my interview with Robert

3:03 – 3:10 Schwartz about what goes on between

3:05 – 3:15 lives is coming up next on skeptic Oh

3:10 – 3:15 [Music]

3:18 – 3:23 today we welcome Robert Schwartz to

3:21 – 3:25 skeptic Oh Rob as a trained

3:23 – 3:28 hypnotherapist who helps guide people

3:25 – 3:30 through past life regressions he’s also

3:28 – 3:34 the author of two very popular books

3:30 – 3:37 your souls plan discovering the real

3:34 – 3:40 meaning of the life you planned and your

3:37 – 3:43 souls gift Rob welcome to skeptical

3:40 – 3:45 thanks for joining me thank you Alex

3:43 – 3:48 it’s a pleasure to be here with you so

3:45 – 3:50 Rob most of this audience that you’re

3:48 – 3:52 talking to right now the skeptical

3:50 – 3:55 audience is going to be familiar with

3:52 – 3:58 spirit communication even familiar with

3:55 – 3:60 past life regression but you have a

3:58 – 4:02 rather interesting story tell us a

3:60 – 4:05 little bit about how you got started and

4:02 – 4:08 what you do right now primarily in your

4:05 – 4:10 work should I be happy to let me begin

4:08 – 4:14 by saying that my website is your souls

4:10 – 4:16 plan calm and if people go to the books

4:14 – 4:18 pages of that website they can read

4:16 – 4:23 large fortunes of your souls plan and

4:18 – 4:25 your souls gift for free my path to

4:23 – 4:27 writing these two books and the premise

4:25 – 4:30 of the book books is that we plan our

4:27 – 4:33 lives including our biggest challenges

4:30 – 4:36 before were born because I started off

4:33 – 4:39 in the corporate sector I have an MBA

4:36 – 4:41 which I think is probably a typical for

4:39 – 4:44 the author of a couple of New Age books

4:41 – 4:46 and uh I was in the corporate sector for

4:44 – 4:48 a number of years self-employed as a

4:46 – 4:50 marketing and communications consultant

4:48 – 4:54 basically doing different forms of

4:50 – 4:56 corporate writing and back in 2003 after

4:54 – 4:59 I had been doing that work for a number

4:56 – 5:02 of years I had what you could call an

4:59 – 5:04 existential crisis about my life I felt

5:02 – 5:07 deeply unfulfilled by the corporate work

5:04 – 5:10 that I was doing and at the same time I

5:07 – 5:13 had this distinct feeling or sense that

5:10 – 5:15 there was something else something quite

5:13 – 5:17 specific that I was supposed to be doing

5:15 – 5:19 here but I didn’t know what it was and I

5:17 – 5:23 wasn’t even sure how to figure out what

5:19 – 5:25 it was and so my first attempts to

5:23 – 5:27 resolve this existential crisis were

5:25 – 5:30 very conventional in nature I started

5:27 – 5:32 off by going for career counseling took

5:30 – 5:34 that myers-briggs inventory

5:32 – 5:37 found out a time an infj personality

5:34 – 5:39 type and all of that was interesting it

5:37 – 5:41 really did not help me in any way and

5:39 – 5:43 then I went to a lot of my friends and

5:41 – 5:46 family and I said you know I’m really

5:43 – 5:47 unhappy doing this corporate work I feel

5:46 – 5:50 like there’s something else I shouldn’t

5:47 – 5:52 be doing what do you think I should do

5:50 – 5:55 with my life that by the way is not a

5:52 – 5:58 good question to ever ask another person

5:55 – 5:59 about half the people I asked literally

5:58 – 6:02 shrugged their shoulders and said I

5:59 – 6:03 don’t know and the other half advised me

6:02 – 6:05 to do whatever they were doing for a

6:03 – 6:08 living which as you can imagine was not

6:05 – 6:10 tremendously helpful so I started to

6:08 – 6:14 think alright I’ve got to think outside

6:10 – 6:17 the box here what can I do to to figure

6:14 – 6:19 out what I should do with my life and

6:17 – 6:19 this idea came to me go see a psychic

6:19 – 6:22 medium

6:19 – 6:24 now I come from a very conventional

6:22 – 6:27 background mediumship is not part of

6:24 – 6:29 their back rap and I wasn’t even sure

6:27 – 6:30 that I believed in mediumship but I

6:29 – 6:32 thought why not

6:30 – 6:34 you know I’ll invest in our of my time

6:32 – 6:37 and some money and if nothing comes from

6:34 – 6:40 it there’s no harm done so I did this I

6:37 – 6:44 had my first session ever with a psychic

6:40 – 6:46 medium on May 7th of 2003 and the reason

6:44 – 6:49 I remember the date is that this was the

6:46 – 6:52 day on which my life changed the medium

6:49 – 6:54 introduced me to the concept of spirit

6:52 – 6:56 guides which I had never even heard of

6:54 – 6:59 at that time and she explained that a

6:56 – 7:01 spirit guide is a highly evolved

6:59 – 7:03 non-physical being with whom we plan our

7:01 – 7:05 lives before were born and who then

7:03 – 7:07 guides us through our lives after we

7:05 – 7:10 come into body and through this

7:07 – 7:12 particular medium I was actually able to

7:10 – 7:15 talk at length with my guides that game

7:12 – 7:17 they sell a lot of amazing things to me

7:15 – 7:20 in that session one of which was they

7:17 – 7:22 said you planned your life including

7:20 – 7:24 your biggest challenges before you were

7:22 – 7:27 born and I will tell you Alex I just

7:24 – 7:28 shook my head and I said well why in the

7:27 – 7:31 world did I do that

7:28 – 7:34 and they said you did this for purposes

7:31 – 7:36 of spiritual growth so I probably would

7:34 – 7:39 have dismissed all of this as some kind

7:36 – 7:41 of delusion on my part except that the

7:39 – 7:44 guides knew everything about me without

7:41 – 7:45 me telling them anything they did what

7:44 – 7:48 all of my challenges that

7:45 – 7:50 then they were able to give me detailed

7:48 – 7:52 explanations as to why I had wanted

7:50 – 7:54 before I was born

7:52 – 7:56 to have those very difficult experiences

7:54 – 7:58 and again this was all without me

7:56 – 8:02 telling them anything about myself

7:58 – 8:04 so this rocked my world so to speak and

8:02 – 8:07 in the days and weeks after that session

8:04 – 8:10 with the medium I thought about this

8:07 – 8:11 perspective constantly and the affected

8:10 – 8:14 it happen was that it created a deep

8:11 – 8:17 healing because it allowed me for the

8:14 – 8:19 first time in my life to see a deeper

8:17 – 8:21 meaning and a deeper purpose to the

8:19 – 8:23 challenging things that had happened so

8:21 – 8:25 I realized I was on to a concept that

8:23 – 8:28 could bring a similar kind of healing to

8:25 – 8:30 other people that was when I first

8:28 – 8:34 started to think about writing a book on

8:30 – 8:36 the subject and then a number of things

8:34 – 8:39 happened in quick succession that

8:36 – 8:42 launched me on that path I started

8:39 – 8:44 having spiritual experiences of my own

8:42 – 8:46 for the first time in my life one in

8:44 – 8:48 particular that was quite profound an

8:46 – 8:53 experience of unconditional love or

8:48 – 8:56 divine love for every person I saw and

8:53 – 8:58 that combined with the session with the

8:56 – 9:01 medium and some other spiritual

8:58 – 9:03 experiences that took place that got me

9:01 – 9:05 to decide okay I will leave the

9:03 – 9:07 corporate world and write a book on this

9:05 – 9:10 subject and three years later your souls

9:07 – 9:11 plan came out and then a few years after

9:10 – 9:14 that your Souls gift

9:11 – 9:17 that in a nutshell is how this got

9:14 – 9:20 started awesome great and I love the way

9:17 – 9:24 you tell that story I love the fact that

9:20 – 9:28 you know you are this rationale based

9:24 – 9:31 MBA type guy who makes this radical

9:28 – 9:33 shift in their life and in their career

9:31 – 9:36 I think that’s terrific I think it fits

9:33 – 9:40 really nicely with the way we’ve tried

9:36 – 9:42 to approach the spiritual questions from

9:40 – 9:44 a scientific perspective on this show –

9:42 – 9:47 so I think that’s awesome can you maybe

9:44 – 9:49 tell folks just a little bit about since

9:47 – 9:52 you are this serious rational kind of

9:49 – 9:54 guy how you went about training I mean

9:52 – 9:58 hitting the therapy is something someone

9:54 – 10:01 can spend a lot of time and a lot of

9:58 – 10:03 educational credits towards you know

10:01 – 10:06 exploring you have some initials after

10:03 – 10:09 your name I assume their past life

10:06 – 10:12 between life kind of certification how

10:09 – 10:15 did you go about that aspect of this

10:12 – 10:18 well in order to answer that question I

10:15 – 10:20 first need to explain how I researched

10:18 – 10:23 my two books your soul’s planning your

10:20 – 10:25 soul’s gift what happened after the

10:23 – 10:27 session with the medium and when I

10:25 – 10:29 started to have spiritual experiences of

10:27 – 10:33 my own you know coming as I did from

10:29 – 10:36 this very rational left brain analytic

10:33 – 10:38 background my my first thought when I

10:36 – 10:41 was going to research a book about how

10:38 – 10:43 we plan our lives before were born is

10:41 – 10:44 that there have to be people somewhere

10:43 – 10:47 in the world who remember planning their

10:44 – 10:48 lifetime I’ll find them well this was

10:47 – 10:50 back to around the time when the

10:48 – 10:53 internet had first come out so I thought

10:50 – 10:55 here’s the tool I need to find those

10:53 – 10:57 people and I went to every spirituality

10:55 – 10:59 bulletin board I could find I posted a

10:57 – 11:01 message saying author writing a book

10:59 – 11:03 about how we plan our lives before were

11:01 – 11:06 born if you remember planning your

11:03 – 11:08 current lifetime please contact me and I

11:06 – 11:11 started to get thousands of emails from

11:08 – 11:13 people all over the world not a single

11:11 – 11:15 one of whom remembered planning their

11:13 – 11:17 current lifetime they were writing to me

11:15 – 11:20 with stories about past lives on earth

11:17 – 11:22 past lives and other planets lifetimes

11:20 – 11:25 as animals

11:22 – 11:27 non-physical lifetimes fascinating

11:25 – 11:29 stories but not at all what I was

11:27 – 11:32 looking for this went on for a period

11:29 – 11:34 months finally I began to despair of

11:32 – 11:36 ever being able to write a book on this

11:34 – 11:39 subject and it was that point I said a

11:36 – 11:41 prayer and I said dear God if you want

11:39 – 11:43 me to write a book about how we plan our

11:41 – 11:46 lives before were born I will do it but

11:43 – 11:48 I need a little help here and wouldn’t

11:46 – 11:51 you know it within a very short time of

11:48 – 11:54 making that prayer I came into contact

11:51 – 11:56 with several very gifted mediums and

11:54 – 11:59 channels who in one way or another could

11:56 – 12:01 find out what somebody planned before

11:59 – 12:04 they were born and so this was the

12:01 – 12:06 methodology I used to research your

12:04 – 12:08 souls plan and your souls gift I would

12:06 – 12:10 interview somebody about a common life

12:08 – 12:12 challenge

12:10 – 12:14 and it’s all the most common things we

12:12 – 12:17 face here because I wanted the books to

12:14 – 12:19 help as many people as possible so we

12:17 – 12:21 talked about the pre birth planning of

12:19 – 12:24 physical illness mental illness

12:21 – 12:26 blindness deafness drug addiction

12:24 – 12:28 alcoholism accidents the death of a

12:26 – 12:30 loved one any common challenge you could

12:28 – 12:32 think of and then the people I

12:30 – 12:34 interviewed had one two or sometimes

12:32 – 12:36 three sessions with the mediums and

12:34 – 12:39 channels in which we asked spirit did

12:36 – 12:42 this person plan this experience before

12:39 – 12:44 he or she was born and if so why and

12:42 – 12:46 then in the books I present all the

12:44 – 12:49 information that came through so the

12:46 – 12:51 intention is to give meaning to

12:49 – 12:54 suffering that might otherwise appear

12:51 – 12:59 not to have any meaning now your souls

12:54 – 13:01 plan came out in early 2007 and as soon

12:59 – 13:03 as it hit the market I started to get

13:01 – 13:05 emails from people all around the world

13:03 – 13:08 who said I want you to tell me what my

13:05 – 13:11 life plan is and for five years I

13:08 – 13:13 responded to each one of those emails in

13:11 – 13:15 exactly the same way I said I’m not a

13:13 – 13:17 medium I’m not a channel I don’t know

13:15 – 13:19 what your life plan is if you want to

13:17 – 13:22 know that work with one of the mediums

13:19 – 13:24 in the book but then I learned about the

13:22 – 13:26 field of life between lives regression

13:24 – 13:29 and I took the training to be able to

13:26 – 13:31 offer that you mentioned in the intro

13:29 – 13:33 that I do past life regression that’s

13:31 – 13:36 true but it’s actually a very small part

13:33 – 13:38 of my practice as a hypnotist 99 plus

13:36 – 13:40 percent of the people who are coming to

13:38 – 13:43 me want to know what their life plan is

13:40 – 13:45 and we can answer that question in in

13:43 – 13:47 between lives regression or a life

13:45 – 13:50 between lives regressions it’s the same

13:47 – 13:53 thing what happens briefly in that kind

13:50 – 13:56 of session we go through some

13:53 – 13:58 preliminary steps that are intended to

13:56 – 14:01 relax the client then I guide them into

13:58 – 14:03 a past life it’s almost always one that

14:01 – 14:05 had a big impact on the plan for the

14:03 – 14:07 current lifetime at the end of the past

14:05 – 14:10 life their consciousness leaves the body

14:07 – 14:12 in the death scene and crosses back over

14:10 – 14:14 to the other side they go home so to

14:12 – 14:16 speak which I know might sound a little

14:14 – 14:19 bit ominous but there’s actually nothing

14:16 – 14:21 to it it’s very easy safe natural and

14:19 – 14:23 gentle and everyone listening to this

14:21 – 14:23 interview has probably done it hundreds

14:23 – 14:26 of

14:23 – 14:27 times already when they get back to the

14:26 – 14:29 other side

14:27 – 14:31 most people are greeted by a spirit

14:29 – 14:32 guide they talked with the guy briefly

14:31 – 14:35 about why they were shown that

14:32 – 14:38 particular past life and how it affected

14:35 – 14:39 the plan for the current lifetime and

14:38 – 14:41 then we asked the person’s guide to

14:39 – 14:44 escort them to what is called the

14:41 – 14:46 council of elders the council consists

14:44 – 14:49 of the very wise loving and highly

14:46 – 14:51 evolved beings who oversee reincarnation

14:49 – 14:53 on earth and they know everything about

14:51 – 14:55 the client the plan for the current

14:53 – 14:58 lifetime and everything that happened in

14:55 – 14:60 every past life they’ve already had so

14:58 – 15:02 if someone gets in front of the council

14:60 – 15:05 of elders that is potentially a

15:02 – 15:07 life-changing experience because the

15:05 – 15:09 council can answer literally any

15:07 – 15:13 question they put to them and so this is

15:09 – 15:16 now about a third of my life about a

15:13 – 15:19 third of my time is spent doing between

15:16 – 15:21 lives regressions it allows me to

15:19 – 15:24 facilitate a process in which people

15:21 – 15:25 have a direct experience that answers

15:24 – 15:28 their questions about their life plan

15:25 – 15:30 they don’t have to rely on a medium to

15:28 – 15:31 be accurate they talked to spirit

15:30 – 15:38 directly and get the information

15:31 – 15:41 themselves yeah I mean this is where it

15:38 – 15:42 gets challenging I guess on a number of

15:41 – 15:45 fronts because and that’s why I was

15:42 – 15:48 guess I was approaching it from a

15:45 – 15:50 training standpoint I mean the way you

15:48 – 15:52 present some of this stuff Rob is is

15:50 – 15:56 awesome we’ve heard a lot of this stuff

15:52 – 15:60 before it’s you saying in a very

15:56 – 16:02 confident assured way which I take it is

15:60 – 16:05 from your experience your direct

16:02 – 16:08 experience and through yourself and and

16:05 – 16:11 also working with your clients I haven’t

16:08 – 16:14 just seen it that way one I’d first say

16:11 – 16:16 that I’ve experimented with past life

16:14 – 16:20 regressions years ago I did one with

16:16 – 16:23 gruesome a guy I met online Bruce

16:20 – 16:26 Goldberg a very very poorly done

16:23 – 16:28 very unprofessional in my opinion even

16:26 – 16:30 though he has quite a reputation is

16:28 – 16:32 completely unsuccessful did another one

16:30 – 16:36 with someone else I met through skeptic

16:32 – 16:37 oh the guy was very earnest spent hours

16:36 – 16:39 with me

16:37 – 16:41 there was no results of it and this is

16:39 – 16:44 from someone just speaking for myself

16:41 – 16:46 I’ve investigated after death

16:44 – 16:47 communication thoroughly you know as I

16:46 – 16:49 pointed you out some of the links that

16:47 – 16:52 we’ve done in this show I’ve interviewed

16:49 – 16:54 dr. Julie by show though I think has

16:52 – 16:57 researched this scientifically more than

16:54 – 16:59 anyone else and I’m very impressed by

16:57 – 17:02 her research and we conducted similar

16:59 – 17:05 type of experiments demonstrations on

17:02 – 17:07 this show with skeptics that is people

17:05 – 17:10 who are not willing to accept the

17:07 – 17:11 reality of this from from anyway if you

17:10 – 17:13 prove it to them scientifically or

17:11 – 17:16 otherwise they just it’s outside of

17:13 – 17:21 their worldview but so I guess what I’m

17:16 – 17:24 kind of leading up to there is my

17:21 – 17:28 experience is that it isn’t quite as

17:24 – 17:31 clean-cut in certain and you know

17:28 – 17:33 matter-of-fact is the way you’ve kind of

17:31 – 17:34 laid it out there do you get what I’m

17:33 – 17:38 where I’m coming from because I’m not

17:34 – 17:41 coming from a purely skeptical I don’t

17:38 – 17:44 believe you standpoint I’m coming from

17:41 – 17:47 let’s compare and contrast all the

17:44 – 17:50 different experiences that folks are

17:47 – 17:52 having and that mediums are reporting

17:50 – 17:54 and let’s kind of see where some of this

17:52 – 17:55 stuff starts to shake out do you get

17:54 – 17:58 what I mean

17:55 – 18:01 I completely understand what you’re

17:58 – 18:04 saying the first thing I want to say in

18:01 – 18:08 response is that my work is in offering

18:04 – 18:10 not an attempt of persuasion it does not

18:08 – 18:12 matter to me at all whether or not

18:10 – 18:15 someone believes in pre birth planning

18:12 – 18:17 or between lives aggressions I care that

18:15 – 18:19 people are happy that they lead

18:17 – 18:21 fulfilling lives how they do that what

18:19 – 18:24 their belief system is does not matter

18:21 – 18:26 to me it’s I’m offering this to people

18:24 – 18:28 in the spirit of helpfulness but it’s up

18:26 – 18:32 to them whether or not they want to

18:28 – 18:35 accept the offering also I want to say

18:32 – 18:37 you know some people do have more

18:35 – 18:41 difficulty going into the trance state

18:37 – 18:44 than others those tend to be people who

18:41 – 18:47 are very analytic either by nature

18:44 – 18:49 and/or training the other categories

18:47 – 18:51 people who have trouble gettin into

18:49 – 18:54 trance are people who have difficulty

18:51 – 18:56 be relaxing for one reason or another

18:54 – 18:59 relaxation is really the key to the

18:56 – 19:02 whole experience generally the reason

18:59 – 19:04 someone has trouble relaxing is that

19:02 – 19:06 they have a very very pressing issue in

19:04 – 19:09 their life that they really really want

19:06 – 19:12 to gain insight into or healing or finds

19:09 – 19:15 just some way of coping with it and so

19:12 – 19:18 that attachment to outcome so to speak

19:15 – 19:21 can cause the person to make even very

19:18 – 19:23 subtle efforts to go into trance which

19:21 – 19:26 is exactly what you don’t want to do

19:23 – 19:28 going into trance is a process that you

19:26 – 19:30 allow to happen it’s not a process that

19:28 – 19:33 you make happen it’s kind of like going

19:30 – 19:36 to a movie you know all you have to do

19:33 – 19:37 is pay your admission fee pick up your

19:36 – 19:41 bucket of popcorn and then sit down in

19:37 – 19:43 the seat and allow the movie to display

19:41 – 19:48 in front of you it’s very much like that

19:43 – 19:51 but you can’t make it happen now if you

19:48 – 19:54 were to observe some of the sessions

19:51 – 19:57 that I do I wonder what your reaction

19:54 – 19:59 would be because the people who are

19:57 – 20:03 having the experience not all of them

19:59 – 20:06 but many of them there is absolutely no

20:03 – 20:08 doubt in their mind that they had the

20:06 – 20:11 between lives experience that they

20:08 – 20:15 talked to the council of elders they

20:11 – 20:18 talked consistently about the complete

20:15 – 20:21 non-judgment and unconditional love they

20:18 – 20:25 felt coming from the council so they

20:21 – 20:27 talked consistently about having a sense

20:25 – 20:30 that the council knew everything about

20:27 – 20:33 them and yet had absolutely no judgment

20:30 – 20:35 of them and for many of them it’s a

20:33 – 20:38 multi-sensory experience they’re

20:35 – 20:42 actually there and so it’s profoundly

20:38 – 20:46 emotional they’re also being given

20:42 – 20:48 information that they otherwise would

20:46 – 20:51 not have access to and then sometime

20:48 – 20:53 down the road in many cases the

20:51 – 20:54 information they’ve been given turns out

20:53 – 20:56 to be correct

20:54 – 20:59 so they end up getting some kind of

20:56 – 21:02 independent verification of what the

20:59 – 21:04 council told them again I don’t want to

21:02 – 21:06 try to persuade you that it’s a real

21:04 – 21:08 phenomena

21:06 – 21:11 but when I see people having this

21:08 – 21:14 experience again and again and again

21:11 – 21:15 there’s no doubt in my mind that it’s

21:14 – 21:18 actually happening

21:15 – 21:21 yeah I mean go ahead and persuade me I

21:18 – 21:22 want to be persuaded you know what I

21:21 – 21:24 mean I want to be persuaded

21:22 – 21:27 I want to persuade other people that’s

21:24 – 21:30 why I do this you know the tagline of

21:27 – 21:33 skeptic Oh is inquiry to perpetuate

21:30 – 21:35 doubt and I didn’t find that I didn’t

21:33 – 21:36 start with that tag line that tag line

21:35 – 21:39 found me because that’s what these

21:36 – 21:41 ancient Greek philosophers that invented

21:39 – 21:43 the idea of skeptical that’s what they

21:41 – 21:46 were about and then I got into and I go

21:43 – 21:49 wow what a wonderful spiritual journey

21:46 – 21:51 because doubt is an awesome spiritual

21:49 – 21:53 journey as opposed to certainty and

21:51 – 21:55 certain to that you know oh I have all

21:53 – 21:57 the answers and I’m not saying that

21:55 – 21:59 that’s what you’re saying let’s be clear

21:57 – 22:01 I’m just trying to hash some of these

21:59 – 22:03 things out because you know what when I

22:01 – 22:05 started like on this journey and my

22:03 – 22:07 journeys gone a lot of different ways

22:05 – 22:10 it’s mainly been about science and

22:07 – 22:12 following the scientific method as this

22:10 – 22:16 kind of grounding and as this toolbox

22:12 – 22:19 with which to look at all the stuff that

22:16 – 22:21 science has deemed as forbidden or

22:19 – 22:23 outside the realm of science and it

22:21 – 22:25 really isn’t so like as I mentioned

22:23 – 22:28 after death communication would be one

22:25 – 22:29 example of that near-death experience

22:28 – 22:32 would be another where there’s now you

22:29 – 22:36 know over 200 peer-reviewed published

22:32 – 22:38 papers that clearly strongly suggest

22:36 – 22:40 that consciousness survives death so

22:38 – 22:44 that is using the scientific method and

22:40 – 22:45 scientific principles to establish

22:44 – 22:48 something as well as we can that goes

22:45 – 22:50 beyond science but back to I guess my

22:48 – 22:52 story and not that it’s about my story

22:50 – 22:54 but that’s all we can share when I first

22:52 – 22:58 got into this I said okay I’m gonna go

22:54 – 23:00 do the medium ship work and I’m gonna

22:58 – 23:02 follow some of the protocols that some

23:00 – 23:04 of these scientists are following

23:02 – 23:06 because they seem to make sense to me in

23:04 – 23:09 terms of sharing limited amounts of

23:06 – 23:10 information kind of being this proxy who

23:09 – 23:13 sits in the middle because the most

23:10 – 23:15 important thing for me would be

23:13 – 23:17 verification of the reality of the

23:15 – 23:18 communication channel so I decided up

23:17 – 23:21 front

23:18 – 23:23 I will kind of limit that channel I’m

23:21 – 23:27 not going to give a lot of information

23:23 – 23:29 beforehand even though that might reduce

23:27 – 23:31 the amount of information I get back

23:29 – 23:33 because it will increase my ability to

23:31 – 23:36 measure well wow I didn’t give that

23:33 – 23:38 person anything and I got a lot back so

23:36 – 23:41 I started with the first medium who was

23:38 – 23:43 recommended to me by the wind bridge

23:41 – 23:46 Institute who does more certification

23:43 – 23:48 high quality certification of these

23:46 – 23:52 mediums than anyone I’ve ever seen Julie

23:48 – 23:55 dr. Julie by Sheila’s PhD pharmacology

23:52 – 23:57 so she you know she tests all has been

23:55 – 23:60 trained to test all sorts of things to

23:57 – 24:02 the highest you know triple blind

23:60 – 24:03 standard and she’s done that with

24:02 – 24:06 mediums so the mediums that she’s

24:03 – 24:08 certified I have a strong degree of

24:06 – 24:10 confidence in that doesn’t mean that

24:08 – 24:12 people can’t find other ones or that you

24:10 – 24:15 in your work haven’t found some terrific

24:12 – 24:17 mediums I’m sure you have I’m just going

24:15 – 24:18 through my process and it was the first

24:17 – 24:21 one I started with

24:18 – 24:23 it was rather expensive as medium goes

24:21 – 24:26 as mediums go and we did this session

24:23 – 24:27 and this is several years ago and it was

24:26 – 24:30 a complete disaster I mean there was

24:27 – 24:32 nothing no hits but the the the

24:30 – 24:35 significant thing for me was at the end

24:32 – 24:37 she goes you know this rarely happens I

24:35 – 24:39 need to return all your money and so

24:37 – 24:41 that immediately kind of dispelled this

24:39 – 24:43 thing that you’ll always hear skeptics

24:41 – 24:44 say that these people are scam artists

24:43 – 24:46 are all the rest set here’s someone had

24:44 – 24:48 spent you know an hour hour and a half

24:46 – 24:50 with me and said hey it isn’t working

24:48 – 24:52 here’s your money back to kind of

24:50 – 24:53 shorten up this story I found someone

24:52 – 24:56 else getting highly-respected

24:53 – 24:58 almost the same thing happened and again

24:56 – 24:60 the guy was super nice he does man I got

24:58 – 25:00 to give your money back this rarely

24:60 – 25:04 happens

25:00 – 25:06 the third medium I talk to though it was

25:04 – 25:11 a completely different situation I

25:06 – 25:12 didn’t change my protocol on my end kind

25:11 – 25:14 of going it’s what you said I didn’t

25:12 – 25:17 have any different mindset I didn’t do a

25:14 – 25:20 different prayer mantra or anything like

25:17 – 25:23 that or relieve myself of any you know

25:20 – 25:25 predisposed ideas I had the third medium

25:23 – 25:27 was an incredible connection I had a

25:25 – 25:29 deep connection with my father and said

25:27 – 25:32 some things that I thought were

25:29 – 25:35 impossible for someone too

25:32 – 25:41 without having some true connection to

25:35 – 25:44 the other side so I guess I would kind

25:41 – 25:47 of use that to kind of call into

25:44 – 25:51 question that I mean why why does it

25:47 – 25:55 depend on me and if there’s a reality to

25:51 – 25:57 this and certain people can accept

25:55 – 25:60 access that reality and bring back

25:57 – 26:02 information why turn it around and say

25:60 – 26:05 well some people are close to it or some

26:02 – 26:07 people can’t go into a trance State how

26:05 – 26:10 in your understanding of it should that

26:07 – 26:13 matter why would that matter you know

26:10 – 26:15 I’ll share a personal story with you

26:13 – 26:19 that answers that question

26:15 – 26:22 my father died about eight years ago and

26:19 – 26:25 after he died I went to a medium who I

26:22 – 26:27 thought highly of and she was able to

26:25 – 26:30 contact him

26:27 – 26:32 it was as though you were in the room

26:30 – 26:35 and I was talking to him directly

26:32 – 26:37 I took nine pages of notes on the

26:35 – 26:40 conversation and then when the session

26:37 – 26:42 was over I went to my sister’s home and

26:40 – 26:44 I read the notes word-for-word to my

26:42 – 26:49 sister and my brother-in-law and they

26:44 – 26:51 said that’s him that’s your father then

26:49 – 26:53 a couple weeks later they went to see

26:51 – 26:56 the same medium in the hope of talking

26:53 – 26:59 to him but they don’t believe in

26:56 – 27:00 mediumship they couldn’t explain my

26:59 – 27:01 experience but in general they just

27:00 – 27:05 don’t believe in it

27:01 – 27:07 and the medium was not able to contact

27:05 – 27:10 my father the session was a complete

27:07 – 27:12 disaster and they asked me afterwards

27:10 – 27:15 you know how did this work for you and

27:12 – 27:18 not work for us and I said well I can’t

27:15 – 27:21 be sure but I think on some level the

27:18 – 27:24 medium probably picked up on your

27:21 – 27:26 skepticism and that probably rattled her

27:24 – 27:27 a little bit made her a little bit

27:26 – 27:30 nervous in other words lowered her

27:27 – 27:32 vibration and in order to contact

27:30 – 27:35 someone on the other side she has to

27:32 – 27:36 raise her vibration the person who’s in

27:35 – 27:38 spirit lowers theirs and they meet

27:36 – 27:42 somewhere in the middle so I think

27:38 – 27:42 that’s probably what happened

27:42 – 27:48 does that answer your question no it

27:46 – 27:51 really doesn’t because as I explained I

27:48 – 27:54 mean you know where there is some

27:51 – 27:56 benefit I believe in taking a scientific

27:54 – 27:59 approach to this and that’s why I keep

27:56 – 28:01 referencing you know Julie by shawl and

27:59 – 28:02 the university Arizona is where she

28:01 – 28:04 started and then she did this work

28:02 – 28:06 there’s none of that in any other

28:04 – 28:08 research they do they don’t talk about

28:06 – 28:11 vibratory ‘old differences and stuff

28:08 – 28:13 like that they just do it over and over

28:11 – 28:15 and over again and they do this lab work

28:13 – 28:18 with mediums and they measure whether or

28:15 – 28:21 not they can achieve a certain result I

28:18 – 28:25 like that do you find any do you have

28:21 – 28:28 any attraction to the scientific

28:25 – 28:31 approach to some of this spiritual work

28:28 – 28:33 I mean does that do you do you

28:31 – 28:36 understand the need that some people

28:33 – 28:38 have of trying to resolve some of these

28:36 – 28:40 well why does it happen this way why

28:38 – 28:44 does it happen that way kind of thing I

28:40 – 28:45 do that’s why I’m all in favor of those

28:44 – 28:48 people who are taking the scientific

28:45 – 28:50 approach and I wish them great success

28:48 – 28:53 with their work because we do live in a

28:50 – 28:56 very rational society especially in the

28:53 – 29:00 West and there’s a great need for a

28:56 – 29:03 bridge between intellect and spirit my

29:00 – 29:06 own work though is not in that area I

29:03 – 29:09 understand my mission which I believe is

29:06 – 29:11 a pre-birth mission is to bring an

29:09 – 29:15 understanding of pre-birth planning to

29:11 – 29:19 as many people as possible the focus is

29:15 – 29:23 on healing spiritual growth and so forth

29:19 – 29:25 it’s not on proving anything signed

29:23 – 29:27 typically I’ve never attempted to do

29:25 – 29:30 that and I don’t think that it’s my

29:27 – 29:32 purpose here but I want to share a story

29:30 – 29:35 with you that I think you you may find

29:32 – 29:39 very interesting number of years ago I

29:35 – 29:42 led a group past life regression at a

29:39 – 29:45 conference and two of the participants

29:42 – 29:47 in this workshop were sisters the

29:45 – 29:50 sisters had a similar experience during

29:47 – 29:52 the regression which was they saw images

29:50 – 29:56 of a particular past life in their mind

29:52 – 29:59 side but it didn’t feel quote/unquote

29:56 – 30:01 real to either one of them and so by the

29:59 – 30:03 time the workshop was over they had both

30:01 – 30:06 concluded on their own that they had

30:03 – 30:07 simply made up the whole experience but

30:06 – 30:09 then they went out to dinner together

30:07 – 30:12 and shared their experiences with each

30:09 – 30:14 other and what they discovered to their

30:12 – 30:17 amazement was that they had both gone

30:14 – 30:18 back to exactly the same past life in

30:17 – 30:21 which they’ve been in the family

30:18 – 30:23 together now one was the mother and one

30:21 – 30:25 was the daughter said they saw it from

30:23 – 30:27 different viewpoints but everything they

30:25 – 30:29 saw was the same they saw the same

30:27 – 30:33 people the same clothing the same home

30:29 – 30:35 the same furnishings the same grounds

30:33 – 30:38 around the home everything was identical

30:35 – 30:40 so that gave them independent

30:38 – 30:43 confirmation that it had really come

30:40 – 30:47 from spirit not only that a few weeks

30:43 – 30:51 later they managed to trace their family

30:47 – 30:54 tree back about five generations to a

30:51 – 30:56 particular state in England and there

30:54 – 30:57 one of the sisters went there and that

30:56 – 30:60 she wrote to me and she said Rob the

30:57 – 31:02 grounds around this estate are exactly

30:60 – 31:04 what I saw in the workshop so then they

31:02 – 31:08 had a second independent confirmation

31:04 – 31:10 that it had really come from spirit and

31:08 – 31:13 just last month I was doing the workshop

31:10 – 31:15 in Spain and the same thing happened

31:13 – 31:17 again there were two women who are

31:15 – 31:21 friends who attended the workshop

31:17 – 31:24 together and in the past life portion of

31:21 – 31:27 the between lives regression they both

31:24 – 31:28 went back to the same past life in which

31:27 – 31:31 they were male

31:28 – 31:35 they were Vikings and they saw the same

31:31 – 31:36 Viking life time in their minds I so

31:35 – 31:40 this kind of thing has now happened

31:36 – 31:44 twice and I think that’s pretty amazing

31:40 – 31:46 now I’ve heard similar kind of accounts

31:44 – 31:48 in the research that we’ve done on the

31:46 – 31:52 show but here’s the problem I’ve also

31:48 – 31:54 heard differences than that I sent you

31:52 – 31:60 some of the links that I did one is dr.

31:54 – 32:04 Julia Sante very gifted medium PhD

31:60 – 32:06 trained has done thousands and thousands

32:04 – 32:10 of readings she’s coming back and saying

32:06 – 32:12 well our understanding these past slides

32:10 – 32:15 isn’t what we think they are there the

32:12 – 32:18 timeline idea that we have this linear

32:15 – 32:21 past life thing isn’t what’s really

32:18 – 32:24 going on we’re living simultaneous lives

32:21 – 32:27 interviewed another medium I sent you

32:24 – 32:31 the link on the show August go forth a

32:27 – 32:34 medium I can’t speak to how good he is

32:31 – 32:37 but you know a lot of people love his

32:34 – 32:40 readings no very skeptical of

32:37 – 32:42 reincarnation all the work he’s done on

32:40 – 32:45 the other side makes him very skeptical

32:42 – 32:47 that that reincarnation happens at all

32:45 – 32:50 you’ll talk to other you know

32:47 – 32:52 spiritually ascended kind of people

32:50 – 32:55 gurus or mystics and they’ll tell you

32:52 – 32:57 reincarnation works this way or that way

32:55 – 32:59 or you’ll talk to shaman and they’ll say

32:57 – 33:02 you know you don’t even want to go there

32:59 – 33:06 don’t even contact your past spirits I

33:02 – 33:09 just spoke with a woman who studied this

33:06 – 33:11 shamanistic culture in Siberia who are

33:09 – 33:13 the original shamans and they say though

33:11 – 33:16 you would never want to contact your

33:13 – 33:17 this in this case your ancestors which

33:16 – 33:20 isn’t really your past life thing but

33:17 – 33:23 it’s like there is a lot of different

33:20 – 33:25 information out there and I I can on one

33:23 – 33:26 hand understand that you say well that’s

33:25 – 33:29 not what I’ve seen that’s not what I’ve

33:26 – 33:33 encountered but therein lies the problem

33:29 – 33:36 I mean if we’re kind of try to navigate

33:33 – 33:38 this landscape this topography if we’re

33:36 – 33:41 trying to map it out and understand

33:38 – 33:45 personally how we traverse it then we do

33:41 – 33:48 have to you know as that kind of take to

33:45 – 33:50 your rational logical side we do have to

33:48 – 33:53 kind of sort through this information

33:50 – 33:55 the best we can so what do we do with

33:53 – 33:57 the differences the the fundamental

33:55 – 34:00 differences we we sometimes get back

33:57 – 34:04 about what these extended consciousness

34:00 – 34:07 realms are well I think what you do

34:04 – 34:10 depends upon what your intention is if

34:07 – 34:14 you are a researcher whose intention is

34:10 – 34:17 to discover absolute truth so to speak

34:14 – 34:19 then you continue with the scientific

34:17 – 34:23 approach and you try to resolve these

34:19 – 34:26 apparent discrepancies if your

34:23 – 34:29 someone like me whose intention is to

34:26 – 34:33 offer a healing perspective or a

34:29 – 34:35 perspective that gives people the deeper

34:33 – 34:39 spiritual meaning and purpose of their

34:35 – 34:41 biggest challenges then you simply

34:39 – 34:43 present the information that comes

34:41 – 34:45 through with spirit I’m aware of all the

34:43 – 34:47 various viewpoints that you just

34:45 – 34:49 mentioned they’ve all come up at one

34:47 – 34:51 point or another in the research I did

34:49 – 34:53 for my books but again that has not been

34:51 – 34:56 my focus I’m not trying to resolve those

34:53 – 35:01 discrepancies I’m focused on the person

34:56 – 35:03 whose child has a severe illness or who

35:01 – 35:06 has just lost their spouse in a tragic

35:03 – 35:08 accident and they’re asking how could

35:06 – 35:10 this happen what does it mean how do I

35:08 – 35:12 heal from this those are the questions

35:10 – 35:16 that I’m focused on fair enough

35:12 – 35:18 so let’s move off of that whole category

35:16 – 35:20 because I think there’s merit in in what

35:18 – 35:24 you’re saying and I do appreciate that

35:20 – 35:26 you’ve at least examine that to the

35:24 – 35:28 extent that you’re open to it and know

35:26 – 35:32 that it’s out there even if that’s not

35:28 – 35:34 what you’re pursuing right now so let me

35:32 – 35:37 kind of approach this whole thing from a

35:34 – 35:40 slightly different perspective from your

35:37 – 35:42 work from your understanding how do you

35:40 – 35:43 understand the differences in these

35:42 – 35:46 realms and I’ll give you a specific

35:43 – 35:50 example let’s take that near-death

35:46 – 35:53 experience body of work that we get back

35:50 – 35:57 and the reports of that how do you

35:53 – 35:59 understand the near-death experience in

35:57 – 36:01 terms of these extended realms what’s

35:59 – 36:05 going on there

36:01 – 36:09 well let me let me answer by drawing

36:05 – 36:11 upon a different subject than MD he’s

36:09 – 36:14 because I think this will get at one

36:11 – 36:16 possible answer to your question you’ll

36:14 – 36:21 remember that a number of years ago

36:16 – 36:23 there was a natural disaster in

36:21 – 36:26 Southeast Asia there was a typhoon a

36:23 – 36:27 monsoon that killed about a hundred

36:26 – 36:31 thousand people

36:27 – 36:33 I’ve asked about that event in the

36:31 – 36:36 research I’ve done for your Souls

36:33 – 36:39 planning your souls gift and what

36:36 – 36:43 told in the channeling sessions is that

36:39 – 36:46 those 100,000 or so souls before they

36:43 – 36:48 were born they looked at the earth and

36:46 – 36:50 they said basically we would like the

36:48 – 36:52 earth as a planet as a whole

36:50 – 36:55 to be at a certain frequency or

36:52 – 36:58 vibration by a certain point in linear

36:55 – 37:01 time and if it looks as though the earth

36:58 – 37:03 is not going to get there we agree to

37:01 – 37:06 give our lives in a large scale natural

37:03 – 37:08 disaster because we know that the result

37:06 – 37:11 of that disaster will be a worldwide

37:08 – 37:13 outpouring of love and support and aid

37:11 – 37:15 and compassion it will elevate the

37:13 – 37:17 frequency of the entire planet and you

37:15 – 37:19 might remember that’s exactly what

37:17 – 37:21 happened you had all the governments of

37:19 – 37:25 the world temporarily put aside their

37:21 – 37:27 differences to funnel aid into Southeast

37:25 – 37:31 Asia now why am I talking about this

37:27 – 37:33 well if you look at that natural

37:31 – 37:37 disaster strictly from a human

37:33 – 37:39 standpoint it’s obviously a terrible

37:37 – 37:43 tragedy hundred thousand people were

37:39 – 37:45 killed but if you look at it from the

37:43 – 37:48 perspective of say a spirit guide it’s

37:45 – 37:51 actually a great blessing because again

37:48 – 37:52 that outpouring of aid and unconditional

37:51 – 37:54 love raised the frequency of the whole

37:52 – 37:58 planet so you know there’s an old saying

37:54 – 37:59 that where you stand depends upon where

37:58 – 38:02 you sit

37:59 – 38:04 so if where you sit so to speak is in

38:02 – 38:08 the third dimension as a human being

38:04 – 38:10 where you stand on the tsunami is that

38:08 – 38:13 it was a terrible tragedy but if where

38:10 – 38:16 you sit is in a higher dimension as a

38:13 – 38:18 spirit guide than where you stand on the

38:16 – 38:20 tsunami is that it was a great blessing

38:18 – 38:23 to the world there you have two

38:20 – 38:25 diametrically opposed viewpoints and yet

38:23 – 38:29 both are correct from the vantage point

38:25 – 38:31 of the observer this I think is why we

38:29 – 38:33 have a lot of these discrepancies that

38:31 – 38:37 are very difficult to answer when we

38:33 – 38:40 research phenomena like MDEs

38:37 – 38:42 or reincarnation because you have

38:40 – 38:44 diametrically opposed viewpoints

38:42 – 38:47 depending upon which dimension you’re in

38:44 – 38:49 and yet even though they’re doing that

38:47 – 38:50 diametrically opposed they’re still

38:49 – 38:53 correct

38:50 – 38:55 the vantage point of the observer yeah

38:53 – 38:58 that’s troubling it I don’t I just don’t

38:55 – 39:03 see how that gets us anywhere I mean you

38:58 – 39:06 can go look today at the effects of the

39:03 – 39:09 tsunami that are still there that have

39:06 – 39:12 devastated some of these countries these

39:09 – 39:15 islands and will for the foreseeable

39:12 – 39:17 future because the aid was siphoned off

39:15 – 39:19 and went to the wrong people and or

39:17 – 39:22 wasn’t enough or that you know people

39:19 – 39:25 forget after the two or three week aid

39:22 – 39:27 drive so you know the misery that’s been

39:25 – 39:29 perpetuated on for generations and

39:27 – 39:31 generations of that well we can just

39:29 – 39:33 explain that away is you know someone

39:31 – 39:34 signed up for that and well that’s all

39:33 – 39:36 okay

39:34 – 39:37 I mean it’s never-ending and you can

39:36 – 39:39 kind of take it and pull it apart in any

39:37 – 39:42 way you want or you could look at the

39:39 – 39:45 failure of the systems that we have in

39:42 – 39:47 place to warn people about tsunamis and

39:45 – 39:49 how that system failed and maybe that’s

39:47 – 39:51 been improved and maybe that was the

39:49 – 39:53 purpose of it I mean I think for a lot

39:51 – 39:58 of people including myself that’s just

39:53 – 39:60 an unsatisfying answer that and it the

39:58 – 40:02 only thing that kind of halfway

39:60 – 40:04 legitimizes it is this answer that oh it

40:02 – 40:07 came from spirit or was somehow

40:04 – 40:10 channeled and I’m not sure that holds up

40:07 – 40:12 to scrutiny I mean again because there’s

40:10 – 40:14 contradictions and there’s trickster

40:12 – 40:16 elements to it and can we really here’s

40:14 – 40:20 a question I guess when that side that

40:16 – 40:22 rant can we really trust what spirits

40:20 – 40:24 tell us all the time given that we have

40:22 – 40:29 some indication that sometimes spirits

40:24 – 40:31 are deceiving people well that question

40:29 – 40:33 is you have to be discerning it’s a

40:31 – 40:36 well-known phenomenon that there are

40:33 – 40:40 lower vibrational beings in the lower

40:36 – 40:43 astral realms who will sometimes

40:40 – 40:45 misrepresent themselves as ascended or

40:43 – 40:48 enlightened beings and they are

40:45 – 40:52 tricksters as you said their intention

40:48 – 40:55 is not Noble it’s to wreak havoc with

40:52 – 40:58 unsuspecting people who believe their

40:55 – 41:00 misrepresentations so in the research

40:58 – 41:03 that I did for my two books I had a

41:00 – 41:06 number of personal sessions with ever

41:03 – 41:09 medium in channel before I chose those I

41:06 – 41:11 wanted to work with and the ones I chose

41:09 – 41:15 were those who could bring forward

41:11 – 41:18 information consistently that I knew to

41:15 – 41:20 be accurate about my own life and again

41:18 – 41:22 I had not told them anything before we

41:20 – 41:25 did these sessions they obtained this

41:22 – 41:27 information on their own so I felt very

41:25 – 41:29 comfortable that those people were the

41:27 – 41:31 best of the best there were a number of

41:29 – 41:34 others who I did these trial sessions

41:31 – 41:35 with and I thought no this you know

41:34 – 41:38 there’s really nothing here that makes

41:35 – 41:40 me want to work with this person but the

41:38 – 41:42 ones that I eventually chose I believe

41:40 – 41:45 to be very very good they knew many

41:42 – 41:47 things about me that they could have no

41:45 – 41:51 other way of knowing unless Spirit were

41:47 – 41:53 really communicating with them you know

41:51 – 41:57 just recently I interviewed a gentleman

41:53 – 41:59 Oxford philosopher and very accomplished

41:57 – 42:03 in the publishing world has edited and

41:59 – 42:05 helped publish oh just many many

42:03 – 42:08 best-selling important books his name is

42:05 – 42:09 Mark booth and his own book the secret

42:08 – 42:11 history of the world was an

42:09 – 42:13 international bestseller he’s really

42:11 – 42:16 educating himself in a lot of this

42:13 – 42:18 esoteric secret knowledge and claims to

42:16 – 42:22 know a lot through people who have

42:18 – 42:26 direct communication with these ascended

42:22 – 42:29 masters and he comes back with a very

42:26 – 42:32 Christian version of things I also had a

42:29 – 42:35 similar experience with an out-of-body

42:32 – 42:39 traveler medium that I worked through a

42:35 – 42:42 demonstration experiment on this show

42:39 – 42:46 Marilyn Hughes and I have to tell you

42:42 – 42:48 rot she was extremely effective in the

42:46 – 42:51 tests that we did there was this woman

42:48 – 42:56 who had lost her daughter to suicide as

42:51 – 42:59 a teenager and Marilyn’s method is as

42:56 – 43:02 she claims it means she prays to God and

42:59 – 43:04 to Jesus before she goes to bed and

43:02 – 43:07 during her sleep she out-of-body travels

43:04 – 43:11 to these other realms she was able to

43:07 – 43:13 find this young woman in this kind of

43:11 – 43:16 rather dark realm in this confused realm

43:13 – 43:18 she’s able to get some very

43:16 – 43:21 you never get information confirming

43:18 – 43:23 information and I was the proxy sitter

43:21 – 43:25 so I was giving her no information but I

43:23 – 43:27 was funneling the information back to

43:25 – 43:29 her mother and her mother was like oh my

43:27 – 43:31 gosh how could she know this this is

43:29 – 43:34 right on the whole process was extremely

43:31 – 43:37 healing to hopefully to both sides I

43:34 – 43:39 don’t know about the woman who was

43:37 – 43:42 deceased but certainly healing for the

43:39 – 43:45 mother in the family but a strong

43:42 – 43:49 Christian overlay on this thing a strong

43:45 – 43:51 set of beliefs and assumptions about how

43:49 – 43:55 the world works that is again different

43:51 – 43:59 from some other folks so what are we to

43:55 – 44:02 make of the religious aspect that some

43:59 – 44:06 people associate with this kind of work

44:02 – 44:11 and is should that it all be a guide or

44:06 – 44:14 a caution to doing this work well I I

44:11 – 44:16 don’t know what the particular religious

44:14 – 44:19 beliefs are of the two individuals you

44:16 – 44:21 just mentioned but my understanding in

44:19 – 44:25 general is that belief is a very

44:21 – 44:28 powerful creative force there are

44:25 – 44:31 subatomic particles that in some circles

44:28 – 44:33 are referred to as trilliums and it’s

44:31 – 44:36 believed that they rearrange themselves

44:33 – 44:38 according to a person’s belief system in

44:36 – 44:41 other words matter is rearranging itself

44:38 – 44:45 according to a person’s belief system

44:41 – 44:46 the implication of that is that everyone

44:45 – 44:49 is going to have that experience of

44:46 – 44:53 being right their beliefs are going to

44:49 – 44:55 draw to them evidence that seems to

44:53 – 44:56 confirm on the surface that their

44:55 – 44:60 beliefs are correct

44:56 – 45:02 so this is a very powerful phenomenon as

44:60 – 45:04 I understand it and it’s something that

45:02 – 45:06 I think all of us need to be aware of

45:04 – 45:09 especially those of us who are doing

45:06 – 45:11 research in any particular field okay so

45:09 – 45:13 I was kind of waiting so I thought you

45:11 – 45:16 were gonna add something to that well

45:13 – 45:19 wouldn’t that equally apply to your work

45:16 – 45:22 and life planning in between lives and

45:19 – 45:25 all that I mean right it does it

45:22 – 45:28 absolutely does but again since I’m not

45:25 – 45:33 endeavoring to prove anything scientific

45:28 – 45:36 claim it’s its again the focus is on

45:33 – 45:39 healing understanding spiritual growth

45:36 – 45:41 and so forth I’m aware of this

45:39 – 45:44 phenomenon I know that it’s very strong

45:41 – 45:47 but since I’m not attempting to persuade

45:44 – 45:49 anyone of anything or prove anything in

45:47 – 45:51 a scientific way

45:49 – 45:54 I think it’s sufficient for me simply to

45:51 – 45:56 be aware of it but those who are in the

45:54 – 45:59 scientific realm were trying to prove

45:56 – 46:02 something in the scientific way there it

45:59 – 46:04 has much more profound implications I’m

46:02 – 46:07 not sure exactly what a scientific

46:04 – 46:09 researcher could or should do about it

46:07 – 46:12 other than to be aware of it and how

46:09 – 46:13 strong it is though I would completely

46:12 – 46:16 agree and I think it’s a really

46:13 – 46:19 important point and I’m glad you made it

46:16 – 46:23 and I respect how you’re wrestling with

46:19 – 46:25 it if I understand you correctly because

46:23 – 46:27 let me see if I got that but what you

46:25 – 46:29 said is yeah there may be be this I

46:27 – 46:32 think the Buddhists call it like the

46:29 – 46:36 tapa kind of thought-form thing where we

46:32 – 46:40 are creating our reality all the time as

46:36 – 46:43 we go all and and everything is a kind

46:40 – 46:46 of creation and that therefore if we

46:43 – 46:48 want to see past lives we can see past

46:46 – 46:50 lives if we want to see between lives we

46:48 – 46:53 can see between lives and we’ll never

46:50 – 46:55 know at the very least we’ll never know

46:53 – 46:58 the quote-unquote reality of that but at

46:55 – 47:03 another reality whatever is being

46:58 – 47:07 created is for our betterment in terms

47:03 – 47:09 of our souls kind of path evolution

47:07 – 47:12 journey am I kind of on the right track

47:09 – 47:14 or am I just Worth’s a living this whole

47:12 – 47:17 thing you know I think that is very much

47:14 – 47:19 on the right track and and this is

47:17 – 47:22 something that I talk about in the

47:19 – 47:24 lectures and the workshops I do the the

47:22 – 47:27 third dimension the world that we live

47:24 – 47:29 in is set up to mirror you back to you

47:27 – 47:31 that is a fundamental function of life

47:29 – 47:33 in the third dimension the world is

47:31 – 47:35 organized to mirror you back to you so

47:33 – 47:38 that you can discover what lies within

47:35 – 47:40 your consciousness even if it’s at the

47:38 – 47:41 subconscious level and if there’s

47:40 – 47:43 something there that’s in need of you

47:41 – 47:46 you can then bring it to the light of

47:43 – 47:49 conscious awareness or you can then set

47:46 – 47:53 about healing it the way this shows up

47:49 – 47:56 in my work is that just about everybody

47:53 – 47:59 has had at least one past life and

47:56 – 48:01 usually multiple past lives in my belief

47:59 – 48:04 system in which certain things happened

48:01 – 48:07 that caused them to pick up a false

48:04 – 48:10 belief or a false feeling about

48:07 – 48:11 themselves by false I mean it falls from

48:10 – 48:14 the perspective of their soul

48:11 – 48:18 two of the most common false beliefs are

48:14 – 48:21 one that one is powerless and two that

48:18 – 48:23 one is unworthy or perhaps even

48:21 – 48:26 worthless if you feel or believe

48:23 – 48:28 yourself to be powerless or unworthy or

48:26 – 48:32 worthless what will happen is you will

48:28 – 48:34 magnetize or draw to yourself

48:32 – 48:36 experiences that seem on the surface to

48:34 – 48:41 confirm to you that you are in fact

48:36 – 48:43 powerless or unworthy or worthless this

48:41 – 48:45 is not done in a punitive way it’s not

48:43 – 48:49 done to be harsh even though it might

48:45 – 48:51 sound that way the reason it happens

48:49 – 48:54 again is that the world mirrors you back

48:51 – 48:56 to you so if you have one of these false

48:54 – 48:57 beliefs or feelings about yourself you

48:56 – 48:59 can then bring it to the light of

48:57 – 49:02 conscious awareness where you can then

48:59 – 49:06 set about healing it that’s what I think

49:02 – 49:08 is happening with that interesting you

49:06 – 49:11 know I really appreciate your openness

49:08 – 49:13 and your willingness to kind of handle

49:11 – 49:15 these these questions that a lot of

49:13 – 49:17 people just kind of shut down or they

49:15 – 49:21 kind of draw into their shell or you

49:17 – 49:25 know just show that they’re not open to

49:21 – 49:28 the kind of exploration that I think is

49:25 – 49:30 at the core of this work anyway I mean

49:28 – 49:32 if we are discovering our spiritual

49:30 – 49:35 journey then I don’t understand why

49:32 – 49:38 people aren’t open to looking at all

49:35 – 49:40 different aspects of the problem so I

49:38 – 49:43 really commend you for that let me kind

49:40 – 49:45 of a as we wrap this up let me come up

49:43 – 49:48 one other issue that is just kind of a

49:45 – 49:50 curiosity it’s more of a curiosity issue

49:48 – 49:52 I think there’s something here that I’m

49:50 – 49:54 trying to drill into but I’m just asking

49:52 – 49:55 you from your experience from your work

49:54 – 49:57 from the stuff

49:55 – 50:02 if you’ve seen and done do you think

49:57 – 50:04 there’s a technological or biological

50:02 – 50:08 aspect to spirit communication are we

50:04 – 50:11 gonna see it on our iPhone oh do we see

50:08 – 50:13 it in consciousness from other planets

50:11 – 50:16 who are more advanced we see it an ET

50:13 – 50:19 you know is there a technological

50:16 – 50:21 biological aspect of this stuff I

50:19 – 50:24 believe that there’s definitely a

50:21 – 50:28 biological aspect this is a little bit

50:24 – 50:31 beyond my area of expertise but for

50:28 – 50:33 example the pineal gland is very

50:31 – 50:37 important in terms of connection with

50:33 – 50:39 spirit the chakra system which is well

50:37 – 50:42 known and quite an ancient system of

50:39 – 50:46 understanding I think is very important

50:42 – 50:48 there are as I understand it several

50:46 – 50:51 etheric bodies surrounding the physical

50:48 – 50:53 body so from the physical body moving

50:51 – 50:55 outward the next layer is the emotional

50:53 – 50:58 body than the mental body and then the

50:55 – 51:00 spiritual body and there are bodies a

50:58 – 51:02 channelled literature that explain what

51:00 – 51:05 happened to what happens to those

51:02 – 51:07 different bodies after you die and as

51:05 – 51:09 you move up through the dimensions you

51:07 – 51:13 shed them until eventually you have only

51:09 – 51:16 the spiritual body left in terms of

51:13 – 51:18 Technology I think the really

51:16 – 51:20 interesting question there is what will

51:18 – 51:25 be the connection years down the road

51:20 – 51:27 between AI and spirit because spirit as

51:25 – 51:31 I understand it loves to move into form

51:27 – 51:34 form meaning the physical realm right

51:31 – 51:36 now spirit has moved into physical human

51:34 – 51:40 bodies and also plant and animal and

51:36 – 51:42 insect bodies but it won’t be long until

51:40 – 51:46 we have various forms of artificial

51:42 – 51:49 intelligence and what will happen in his

51:46 – 51:51 spirit going to move into a robot I

51:49 – 51:54 don’t know the answer to that question

51:51 – 51:57 but it will be fascinating to find out

51:54 – 51:59 it will and you know even closer to the

51:57 – 52:02 horizon what is going to happen when we

51:59 – 52:04 transplant a human head as that guy and

52:02 – 52:07 I forget his name that guy in Italy that

52:04 – 52:09 neurosurgeon is planning to do either

52:07 – 52:11 this year or next year

52:09 – 52:13 you know what’s going to happen there in

52:11 – 52:16 terms of the connection between our

52:13 – 52:19 physical body or physical brain and

52:16 – 52:22 consciousness but these are fascinating

52:19 – 52:23 questions and you know it’s a whole new

52:22 – 52:25 world out there we’re gonna be moving

52:23 – 52:27 into all these new areas like the one

52:25 – 52:30 you just mentioned like artificial

52:27 – 52:33 intelligence and I’m not sure what the

52:30 – 52:36 intersection is between spirit and those

52:33 – 52:39 things is going to look like but we’re

52:36 – 52:41 going to see some of it in our lifetime

52:39 – 52:44 and I think it’s it’s going to be

52:41 – 52:46 fascinating to see what develops and

52:44 – 52:48 what about ET you know I just

52:46 – 52:51 interviewed a very gifted medium named

52:48 – 52:54 Marissa Ryan you know 90% of her work is

52:51 – 52:56 with after-death communication for the

52:54 – 52:58 grieving again another win Bridge

52:56 – 52:60 Institute certified medium highly

52:58 – 53:02 skilled but I wanted to talk to her

52:60 – 53:04 because in one of her presentations she

53:02 – 53:06 just she’s just like a super open person

53:04 – 53:08 just she just does these readings

53:06 – 53:10 publicly sometimes and says whatever

53:08 – 53:12 comes up she goes the guy asks about et

53:10 – 53:13 and she goes well I think you’re being

53:12 – 53:14 followed I don’t think you’re being

53:13 – 53:17 tracked and there definitely is

53:14 – 53:20 intelligent spirit from other planets

53:17 – 53:22 that did they do choose to interact at

53:20 – 53:24 times down here and people can be

53:22 – 53:27 reincarnated on different planets in

53:24 – 53:31 different lives do you have any

53:27 – 53:36 knowledge experience with with the et

53:31 – 53:39 question only minimal earlier this year

53:36 – 53:41 I was you know Australia to speak at a

53:39 – 53:45 spirituality conference that was running

53:41 – 53:49 side-by-side with an 18 conference and

53:45 – 53:53 during one of the breaks I was standing

53:49 – 53:55 outside close to the beach with a group

53:53 – 53:57 of people who were attending the et

53:55 – 54:01 conference and for the first time in my

53:57 – 54:03 life I saw what I considered to be an

54:01 – 54:06 unidentified flying object or actually

54:03 – 54:10 objects in the sky they were points of

54:06 – 54:13 light but they were moving so fast and

54:10 – 54:14 and at 90 degree angles they would go in

54:13 – 54:18 one direction then suddenly shift at the

54:14 – 54:20 same speed to move 90 degrees in another

54:18 – 54:22 direction I had never seen anything like

54:20 – 54:25 that in my life before

54:22 – 54:29 all the people at the PT conference were

54:25 – 54:31 saying that this was a demonstration the

54:29 – 54:34 ETS were given to them as a way of

54:31 – 54:37 confirming their belief in

54:34 – 54:39 extraterrestrials who knows what the

54:37 – 54:41 intention was on the part of whoever was

54:39 – 54:45 doing this but it sure looked like

54:41 – 54:47 unidentified flying objects to me Rob

54:45 – 54:49 what are some of the most common reasons

54:47 – 54:51 that people seek your help they hear an

54:49 – 54:54 interview like this

54:51 – 54:57 what is them what is it that sparks them

54:54 – 54:58 to say okay I have to do this I have to

54:57 – 55:01 get a session with Rob I have to figure

54:58 – 55:04 out more the people who come to me for

55:01 – 55:06 between life regression usually fall

55:04 – 55:09 into one of two categories the first

55:06 – 55:11 category is the general spiritual

55:09 – 55:15 Explorer this is someone who is on a

55:11 – 55:17 conscious spiritual path they want very

55:15 – 55:19 much to learn and grow as much as they

55:17 – 55:21 can over this lifetime to make the best

55:19 – 55:24 possible use of whatever their time

55:21 – 55:26 they’re on planet earth and so they want

55:24 – 55:28 to talk to the council of elders in

55:26 – 55:31 in-between lives agression to ask what

55:28 – 55:33 did I plan for this lifetime what is my

55:31 – 55:36 purpose how am i doing in fulfilling my

55:33 – 55:39 plan how can I do better the second

55:36 – 55:41 group of people are those I referred to

55:39 – 55:44 earlier who have had something difficult

55:41 – 55:47 happen they’ve had some kind of major

55:44 – 55:49 challenge or tragedy they’re trying to

55:47 – 55:52 heal from it they’re also trying to

55:49 – 55:54 understand it they want to ask the

55:52 – 55:57 council did I plan this before I was

55:54 – 56:00 born if I did why in the world did I do

55:57 – 56:03 that and how can I respond to this

56:00 – 56:06 challenge now in a way that brings

56:03 – 56:08 healing and light to myself and the

56:06 – 56:10 other people in my life and those are

56:08 – 56:14 the kinds of questions that the council

56:10 – 56:16 of elders loves to answer right so how

56:14 – 56:18 do people find out more obviously your

56:16 – 56:20 books are probably a starting point but

56:18 – 56:24 also through your website right the

56:20 – 56:26 website is your souls plan com again if

56:24 – 56:28 you go to the books pages in the main

56:26 – 56:32 menu can read parts of the books for

56:28 – 56:34 free if you click on store and then on

56:32 – 56:36 spiritual guidance you’ll see all the

56:34 – 56:38 different types of sessions

56:36 – 56:40 I offer and then if you click on those

56:38 – 56:43 you can read about each individual

56:40 – 56:45 session time awesome well it’s been just

56:43 – 56:48 great having you on again our guest has

56:45 – 56:51 been Robert Schwartz please check out

56:48 – 56:55 his books and his excellent website at

56:51 – 56:60 your soles plan.com Rob thanks again for

56:55 – 57:02 joining me in my pleasure thanks again

56:60 – 57:04 to Rob Schwartzman earning me today on

57:02 – 57:08 skeptic oh the question I tee up from

57:04 – 57:12 this interview is do you believe we plan

57:08 – 57:14 our lives between lives yes no maybe

57:12 – 57:17 sometimes wait take maybe out of there I

57:14 – 57:20 hate maybe yes no sometimes always

57:17 – 57:22 there’s a ton to pull apart here and

57:20 – 57:25 there’s many more questions to ask that

57:22 – 57:26 I didn’t ask so straighten me out tell

57:25 – 57:28 me where I’m wrong point me to other

57:26 – 57:31 people that have investigated this and

57:28 – 57:33 have come to better conclusions by the

57:31 – 57:36 way I feel I can reach out and directly

57:33 – 57:39 ask you to do that because since I put

57:36 – 57:42 the call out a couple of episodes ago so

57:39 – 57:44 many of you have reached out to connect

57:42 – 57:47 with me share your thoughts share your

57:44 – 57:49 comments share your projects it’s so

57:47 – 57:52 gratifying and I don’t want you to stop

57:49 – 57:56 tell me what you think tell me how you

57:52 – 57:59 connect to this information so we you

57:56 – 58:01 and I can better understand why and how

57:59 – 58:05 this magical thing has happened I’m

58:01 – 58:09 sitting here alone in my office talking

58:05 – 58:12 into this mic and somehow you found it

58:09 – 58:14 on the other end and it’s connected with

58:12 – 58:17 you you know I recently had a skeptical

58:14 – 58:19 listener ping me and say hey you know I

58:17 – 58:22 don’t live by you but I’m gonna be in

58:19 – 58:24 your area I’m visiting is there any way

58:22 – 58:26 we could get together for coffee we

58:24 – 58:28 wound up taking a walk on the beach near

58:26 – 58:30 where I live and the first thing he said

58:28 – 58:33 was there’s no one I can talk to about

58:30 – 58:36 this stuff and I said yeah I get it

58:33 – 58:39 there’s no one I can talk to about this

58:36 – 58:43 stuff that’s why I started skeptic oh

58:39 – 58:46 that’s my real story so if you want to

58:43 – 58:48 connect connect skeptical websites get

58:46 – 58:52 to go forum face

58:48 – 58:53 book email connect how that’s going to

58:52 – 58:56 do it for this episode have some good

58:53 – 58:59 ones coming up please stay with me for

58:56 – 59:01 all of that and until next time take

58:59 – 59:06 care bye for now

 

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