Robert Schwartz, Are Past Life Regressions Scientific? |400|
Robert Schwartz is a hypnotherapist who believes patients can discover their pre-life plan.
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… scientists tell us that the giant tsunami wave that devastated Southeast Asia in 2004 wasn’t as big as we usually imagine. It’s not that they got hit by a 20-foot-tall wave, as depicted here in the 2012 movie, The Impossible. It’s that they got crushed by a 20-foot wall of water that was miles and miles deep… and the human suffering that it brought is unimaginable… hundreds of thousands died… millions of lives were destroyed… and the devastation will go on for generations.
But maybe not.
Robert Schwartz: You’ll remember that a number of years ago there was a natural disaster in Southeast Asia, there was a typhoon and monsoon that killed about 100,000 people. I’ve asked about that event in the research I’ve done for planning Your Soul’s Gift and what I was told, in the channeling sessions, is that those 100,000 or so souls, before they were born, they looked at the earth and they said basically, “We would like the earth, as a planet, as a whole, to be in a certain frequency or vibration by a certain in linear time, and if it looks as if the earth is not going to get there, we agree to give our lives in a large scale natural disaster, because we know that the result of that disaster will be a worldwide outpouring of love and support and aid and compassion that will elevate the frequency of the entire plant.
Alex Tsakiris: I think for a lot of people, including myself, that’s just an unsatisfying answer.
Let me be clear, I don’t mean to be dismissive or condescending of today’s guest, Robert Schwartz. I believe he’s a true spiritual seeker and someone who dedicates his life to helping people and I don’t know if he’s right or wrong about the soul’s plan, raise the consciousness of the planet thing. I don’t know, but I want to know, at least, I want to investigate the best that I can. I want to have this level three discussion beyond the complete denial that consciousness exists and be on the Pollyanna, good-natured but misguided acceptance of every opinion on the matter. I want to get to level three. Intelligent, earnest, truth seekers like Rob, who are trying to figure out what all of this means.
Stick around. My interview with Robert Schwartz about what goes on between lives is coming up next on Skeptiko.
Alex Tsakiris: Today we welcome Robert Schwartz to Skeptiko. Rob is a trained hypnotherapist who helps guide people through past life regressions. He’s also the author of two very popular books, Your Soul’s Plan: Discovering the Real Meaning of the Life You Planned and Your Soul’s Gift.
Rob, welcome to Skeptiko, thanks for joining me.
Robert Schwartz: Thank you Alex, it’s a pleasure to be here with you.
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Alex Tsakiris: What do we do with the differences, the fundamental differences we sometimes get back about what these extended consciousness realms are?
Robert Schwartz: Well, I think what you do, depends upon what your intention is. If you are a researcher whose intention is to discover absolute truth, so to speak, then you continue with the scientific approach and you try to resolve these apparent discrepancies.
If you’re someone like me, whose intention is to offer a healing perspective or a perspective that gives people the deeper spiritual meaning of purpose, of their biggest challenges, then you simply present the information that comes through with spirit.
I’m aware of all of the various viewpoints that you just mentioned. They’ve all come up at one point or another in the research I did for my books, but again, that has not been my focus. I’m not trying to resolve those discrepancies, I’m focused on the person whose child has a severe illness or who has just lost their spouse in a tragic accident and they’re asking, “How could this happen? What does it mean? How do I heal from this?” Those are the questions that I’m focused on.
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Alex Tsakiris: What are we to make of the religious aspect that some people associate with this kind of work and should that at all be a guide or a caution to doing this work?
Robert Schwartz: I don’t know what the particular religious beliefs are of the two individuals you just mentioned, but my understanding, in general, is that belief is a very powerful creative force. There are subatomic particles that, in some circles, are referred to as trillions, and it’s believed that they rearrange themselves according to a person’s belief system. In other words, matter is rearranging itself according to a person’s belief system.
The implication of that is that everyone is going to have that experience of being right. Their beliefs are going to draw to them evidence that seems to confirm, on the surface, that their beliefs are correct.
So, this is a very powerful phenomenon, as I understand it, and it’s something that I think all of us need to be aware of, especially those of us who are doing research in any particular field.
Alex Tsakiris: Okay, I was kind of waiting, because I thought you were going to add something to that. Well, wouldn’t that equally apply to your work and life planning and between lives and all of that?
Robert Schwartz: It does, it absolutely does. But again, since I’m not endeavoring to prove anything scientifically, again, the focus is on healing, understanding spiritual growth and so forth.
I’m aware of this phenomenon. I know that it’s very strong, but since I’m not attempting to persuade anyone of anything or prove anything in a scientific way, I think it’s sufficient for me, simply, to be aware of it, but those who are in the scientific realm, who are trying to prove something in a scientific way, there it has much more profound implications. I’m not sure exactly what a scientific researcher could or should do about it, other than to be aware of it and how strong it is though.
Alex Tsakiris: I would completely agree, and I think it’s a really important point and I’m glad you made it and I respect how you’re wrestling with it, if I understand you correctly. Let me see if I got that.
What you said is, yeah there may be this, I think the Buddhist call it the tulpa thoughtform thing, where we are creating our reality, all of the time, as we go, and everything is a kind of creation. Therefore, if we want to see past lives, we can see past lives, if we want to see between lives, we can see between lives and we’ll never know, at the very least we’ll never know the “reality” of that. But at another reality, whatever is being created is for our betterment, in terms of our soul’s path, evolution, journey.
Am I on the right track or am I just word salading this whole thing?
Robert Schwartz: No, I think that is very much on the right track and this is something that I talk about in the lectures and in the workshops I do. The third dimension, the world that we live in, was setup to mirror you back to you. That is the fundamental function of life in the third dimension. The world is organized to mirror you back to you, so that you can discover what lies within your consciousness, even if it’s at the subconscious level, and if there’s something there that’s in need of healing, you can then bring it to the light of conscious awareness, or you can then set about healing it.
The way this shows up in my work is that just about everybody has had at least one past life and usually multiple past lives, in my belief system, in which certain things happened that caused them to pick up a false belief or a false feeling about themselves. By false, I mean false from the perspective of their soul.
Two of the most common false beliefs are one, that one is powerless and two, that one is unworthy or perhaps even worthless. If you feel or believe yourself to be powerless or unworthy or worthless, what will happen is, you will magnetize, or draw to yourself, experiences that seem, on the surface, to confirm to you that you are in fact powerless or unworthy or worthless.
This is not done in a punitive way, it’s not done to be harsh, even though it might sound that way. The reason it happens again, is that the world mirrors you back to you, so if you have one of these false beliefs or feelings about yourself, you can then bring it to the light of conscious awareness, or you can then set about healing it. That’s what I think is happening with them.
Alex Tsakiris: Interesting. I really appreciate your openness and your willingness to handle these questions that a lot of people just shut down or they kind of draw into their shell or just show that they’re not open to the kind of exploration that I think is at the core of this work anyway. I mean, if we are discovering our spiritual journey, then I don’t understand why people aren’t open to looking at all different aspects of the problem. So, I really commend you for that.
As we wrap this up, let me come at one other issue that is just kind of a curiosity, it’s more of a curiosity issue. I think there’s something here that I’m trying to drill into, but I’m just asking you from your experience, from your work, from the stuff you’ve seen and done. Do you think there’s a technological or biological aspect to spirit communication? Are we going to see it on our iPhone? Do we see it in consciousness from other planets who are more advanced? Do we see it in ET? Is there a technological, biological aspect to this stuff?
Robert Schwartz: I believe that there’s definitely a biological aspect. This is a little bit beyond my area of expertise, but for example, the pineal gland is very important, in terms of connection with spirit. The chakra system, which is well-known and quite an ancient system of understanding, I think is very important.
There are, as I understand it, several etheric bodies surrounding the physical body. So, from the physical body moving outward, the next layer is the emotional body, then the mental body and then the spiritual body and there are bodies that channel literature that explain what happens to those different bodies after you die and as you move up through the dimensions, you shed them until eventually you have only the spiritual body left.
In terms of technology, I think the really interesting question there is, what will be the connection years down the road, between AI and spirit, because spirit, as I understand it, loves to move into form, form meaning the physical realm. Right now, spirit has moved into physical human bodies and also plant and animal and insect bodies, but it won’t be long until we have various forms of artificial intelligence and what will happen then? Is spirit going to move into a robot? I don’t know the answer to that question, but it will be fascinating to find out.
0:06 – 0:10 scientists tell us that the giant
0:08 – 0:13 tsunami wave that devastated Southeast
0:10 – 0:17 Asia in 2004 wasn’t as big as we usually
0:13 – 0:20 imagine it’s not that they got hit by a
0:17 – 0:25 20-foot tall wave as depicted here in
0:20 – 0:25 the 2012 movie The Impossible
0:33 – 0:41 it’s that they got crushed by a 20-foot
0:37 – 0:46 wall of water that was miles and miles
0:41 – 0:49 deep and the human suffering dude abroad
0:46 – 0:53 is unimaginable
0:49 – 0:56 hundreds of thousands died millions of
0:53 – 1:01 lives were destroyed and the devastation
0:56 – 1:04 will go on for generations but maybe not
1:01 – 1:07 you’ll remember that a number of years
1:04 – 1:09 ago there was a natural disaster in
1:07 – 1:12 Southeast Asia there was a typhoon a
1:09 – 1:13 monsoon that killed about a hundred
1:12 – 1:17 thousand people
1:13 – 1:19 I’ve asked about that event in the
1:17 – 1:22 research I’ve done for your Souls
1:19 – 1:24 planning your souls gift and what I was
1:22 – 1:28 told in the channeling sessions is that
1:24 – 1:31 those 100,000 or so souls before they
1:28 – 1:33 were born they looked at the earth and
1:31 – 1:35 they said basically we would like the
1:33 – 1:37 earth as a planet as a whole
1:35 – 1:40 to be at a certain frequency or
1:37 – 1:40 vibration by a certain point in linear
1:40 – 1:42 time
1:40 – 1:45 and if it looks as though the earth is
1:42 – 1:47 not going to get there we agree to give
1:45 – 1:50 our lives in a large-scale natural
1:47 – 1:52 disaster because we know that the result
1:50 – 1:55 of that disaster will be a worldwide
1:52 – 1:58 outpouring of love and support and aid
1:55 – 2:00 and compassion it will elevate the
1:58 – 2:02 frequency of the entire planet I think
2:00 – 2:07 for a lot of people including myself
2:02 – 2:08 that’s just an unsatisfying answer let
2:07 – 2:10 me be clear I don’t mean to be
2:08 – 2:12 dismissive or condescending of today’s
2:10 – 2:15 guest Robert Schwartz I believe he’s a
2:12 – 2:18 true spiritual seeker and someone who
2:15 – 2:19 dedicates his life to helping people and
2:18 – 2:22 I don’t know if he’s right or wrong
2:19 – 2:24 about the souls plan raise the
2:22 – 2:29 consciousness of the planet thing I
2:24 – 2:31 don’t know but I want to know at least I
2:29 – 2:36 want to investigate the best that I can
2:31 – 2:38 I want to have this level 3 discussion
2:36 – 2:41 beyond the complete denial that
2:38 – 2:45 consciousness exists and beyond the
2:41 – 2:48 Pollyanna good-natured but misguided
2:45 – 2:52 acceptance of every opinion on the
2:48 – 2:55 matter I want to get to level 3
2:52 – 2:59 intelligent earnest truth seekers like
2:55 – 3:01 Rob who are trying to figure out what
2:59 – 3:03 all this means
3:01 – 3:05 stick around my interview with Robert
3:03 – 3:10 Schwartz about what goes on between
3:05 – 3:15 lives is coming up next on skeptic Oh
3:10 – 3:15 [Music]
3:18 – 3:23 today we welcome Robert Schwartz to
3:21 – 3:25 skeptic Oh Rob as a trained
3:23 – 3:28 hypnotherapist who helps guide people
3:25 – 3:30 through past life regressions he’s also
3:28 – 3:34 the author of two very popular books
3:30 – 3:37 your souls plan discovering the real
3:34 – 3:40 meaning of the life you planned and your
3:37 – 3:43 souls gift Rob welcome to skeptical
3:40 – 3:45 thanks for joining me thank you Alex
3:43 – 3:48 it’s a pleasure to be here with you so
3:45 – 3:50 Rob most of this audience that you’re
3:48 – 3:52 talking to right now the skeptical
3:50 – 3:55 audience is going to be familiar with
3:52 – 3:58 spirit communication even familiar with
3:55 – 3:60 past life regression but you have a
3:58 – 4:02 rather interesting story tell us a
3:60 – 4:05 little bit about how you got started and
4:02 – 4:08 what you do right now primarily in your
4:05 – 4:10 work should I be happy to let me begin
4:08 – 4:14 by saying that my website is your souls
4:10 – 4:16 plan calm and if people go to the books
4:14 – 4:18 pages of that website they can read
4:16 – 4:23 large fortunes of your souls plan and
4:18 – 4:25 your souls gift for free my path to
4:23 – 4:27 writing these two books and the premise
4:25 – 4:30 of the book books is that we plan our
4:27 – 4:33 lives including our biggest challenges
4:30 – 4:36 before were born because I started off
4:33 – 4:39 in the corporate sector I have an MBA
4:36 – 4:41 which I think is probably a typical for
4:39 – 4:44 the author of a couple of New Age books
4:41 – 4:46 and uh I was in the corporate sector for
4:44 – 4:48 a number of years self-employed as a
4:46 – 4:50 marketing and communications consultant
4:48 – 4:54 basically doing different forms of
4:50 – 4:56 corporate writing and back in 2003 after
4:54 – 4:59 I had been doing that work for a number
4:56 – 5:02 of years I had what you could call an
4:59 – 5:04 existential crisis about my life I felt
5:02 – 5:07 deeply unfulfilled by the corporate work
5:04 – 5:10 that I was doing and at the same time I
5:07 – 5:13 had this distinct feeling or sense that
5:10 – 5:15 there was something else something quite
5:13 – 5:17 specific that I was supposed to be doing
5:15 – 5:19 here but I didn’t know what it was and I
5:17 – 5:23 wasn’t even sure how to figure out what
5:19 – 5:25 it was and so my first attempts to
5:23 – 5:27 resolve this existential crisis were
5:25 – 5:30 very conventional in nature I started
5:27 – 5:32 off by going for career counseling took
5:30 – 5:34 that myers-briggs inventory
5:32 – 5:37 found out a time an infj personality
5:34 – 5:39 type and all of that was interesting it
5:37 – 5:41 really did not help me in any way and
5:39 – 5:43 then I went to a lot of my friends and
5:41 – 5:46 family and I said you know I’m really
5:43 – 5:47 unhappy doing this corporate work I feel
5:46 – 5:50 like there’s something else I shouldn’t
5:47 – 5:52 be doing what do you think I should do
5:50 – 5:55 with my life that by the way is not a
5:52 – 5:58 good question to ever ask another person
5:55 – 5:59 about half the people I asked literally
5:58 – 6:02 shrugged their shoulders and said I
5:59 – 6:03 don’t know and the other half advised me
6:02 – 6:05 to do whatever they were doing for a
6:03 – 6:08 living which as you can imagine was not
6:05 – 6:10 tremendously helpful so I started to
6:08 – 6:14 think alright I’ve got to think outside
6:10 – 6:17 the box here what can I do to to figure
6:14 – 6:19 out what I should do with my life and
6:17 – 6:19 this idea came to me go see a psychic
6:19 – 6:22 medium
6:19 – 6:24 now I come from a very conventional
6:22 – 6:27 background mediumship is not part of
6:24 – 6:29 their back rap and I wasn’t even sure
6:27 – 6:30 that I believed in mediumship but I
6:29 – 6:32 thought why not
6:30 – 6:34 you know I’ll invest in our of my time
6:32 – 6:37 and some money and if nothing comes from
6:34 – 6:40 it there’s no harm done so I did this I
6:37 – 6:44 had my first session ever with a psychic
6:40 – 6:46 medium on May 7th of 2003 and the reason
6:44 – 6:49 I remember the date is that this was the
6:46 – 6:52 day on which my life changed the medium
6:49 – 6:54 introduced me to the concept of spirit
6:52 – 6:56 guides which I had never even heard of
6:54 – 6:59 at that time and she explained that a
6:56 – 7:01 spirit guide is a highly evolved
6:59 – 7:03 non-physical being with whom we plan our
7:01 – 7:05 lives before were born and who then
7:03 – 7:07 guides us through our lives after we
7:05 – 7:10 come into body and through this
7:07 – 7:12 particular medium I was actually able to
7:10 – 7:15 talk at length with my guides that game
7:12 – 7:17 they sell a lot of amazing things to me
7:15 – 7:20 in that session one of which was they
7:17 – 7:22 said you planned your life including
7:20 – 7:24 your biggest challenges before you were
7:22 – 7:27 born and I will tell you Alex I just
7:24 – 7:28 shook my head and I said well why in the
7:27 – 7:31 world did I do that
7:28 – 7:34 and they said you did this for purposes
7:31 – 7:36 of spiritual growth so I probably would
7:34 – 7:39 have dismissed all of this as some kind
7:36 – 7:41 of delusion on my part except that the
7:39 – 7:44 guides knew everything about me without
7:41 – 7:45 me telling them anything they did what
7:44 – 7:48 all of my challenges that
7:45 – 7:50 then they were able to give me detailed
7:48 – 7:52 explanations as to why I had wanted
7:50 – 7:54 before I was born
7:52 – 7:56 to have those very difficult experiences
7:54 – 7:58 and again this was all without me
7:56 – 8:02 telling them anything about myself
7:58 – 8:04 so this rocked my world so to speak and
8:02 – 8:07 in the days and weeks after that session
8:04 – 8:10 with the medium I thought about this
8:07 – 8:11 perspective constantly and the affected
8:10 – 8:14 it happen was that it created a deep
8:11 – 8:17 healing because it allowed me for the
8:14 – 8:19 first time in my life to see a deeper
8:17 – 8:21 meaning and a deeper purpose to the
8:19 – 8:23 challenging things that had happened so
8:21 – 8:25 I realized I was on to a concept that
8:23 – 8:28 could bring a similar kind of healing to
8:25 – 8:30 other people that was when I first
8:28 – 8:34 started to think about writing a book on
8:30 – 8:36 the subject and then a number of things
8:34 – 8:39 happened in quick succession that
8:36 – 8:42 launched me on that path I started
8:39 – 8:44 having spiritual experiences of my own
8:42 – 8:46 for the first time in my life one in
8:44 – 8:48 particular that was quite profound an
8:46 – 8:53 experience of unconditional love or
8:48 – 8:56 divine love for every person I saw and
8:53 – 8:58 that combined with the session with the
8:56 – 9:01 medium and some other spiritual
8:58 – 9:03 experiences that took place that got me
9:01 – 9:05 to decide okay I will leave the
9:03 – 9:07 corporate world and write a book on this
9:05 – 9:10 subject and three years later your souls
9:07 – 9:11 plan came out and then a few years after
9:10 – 9:14 that your Souls gift
9:11 – 9:17 that in a nutshell is how this got
9:14 – 9:20 started awesome great and I love the way
9:17 – 9:24 you tell that story I love the fact that
9:20 – 9:28 you know you are this rationale based
9:24 – 9:31 MBA type guy who makes this radical
9:28 – 9:33 shift in their life and in their career
9:31 – 9:36 I think that’s terrific I think it fits
9:33 – 9:40 really nicely with the way we’ve tried
9:36 – 9:42 to approach the spiritual questions from
9:40 – 9:44 a scientific perspective on this show –
9:42 – 9:47 so I think that’s awesome can you maybe
9:44 – 9:49 tell folks just a little bit about since
9:47 – 9:52 you are this serious rational kind of
9:49 – 9:54 guy how you went about training I mean
9:52 – 9:58 hitting the therapy is something someone
9:54 – 10:01 can spend a lot of time and a lot of
9:58 – 10:03 educational credits towards you know
10:01 – 10:06 exploring you have some initials after
10:03 – 10:09 your name I assume their past life
10:06 – 10:12 between life kind of certification how
10:09 – 10:15 did you go about that aspect of this
10:12 – 10:18 well in order to answer that question I
10:15 – 10:20 first need to explain how I researched
10:18 – 10:23 my two books your soul’s planning your
10:20 – 10:25 soul’s gift what happened after the
10:23 – 10:27 session with the medium and when I
10:25 – 10:29 started to have spiritual experiences of
10:27 – 10:33 my own you know coming as I did from
10:29 – 10:36 this very rational left brain analytic
10:33 – 10:38 background my my first thought when I
10:36 – 10:41 was going to research a book about how
10:38 – 10:43 we plan our lives before were born is
10:41 – 10:44 that there have to be people somewhere
10:43 – 10:47 in the world who remember planning their
10:44 – 10:48 lifetime I’ll find them well this was
10:47 – 10:50 back to around the time when the
10:48 – 10:53 internet had first come out so I thought
10:50 – 10:55 here’s the tool I need to find those
10:53 – 10:57 people and I went to every spirituality
10:55 – 10:59 bulletin board I could find I posted a
10:57 – 11:01 message saying author writing a book
10:59 – 11:03 about how we plan our lives before were
11:01 – 11:06 born if you remember planning your
11:03 – 11:08 current lifetime please contact me and I
11:06 – 11:11 started to get thousands of emails from
11:08 – 11:13 people all over the world not a single
11:11 – 11:15 one of whom remembered planning their
11:13 – 11:17 current lifetime they were writing to me
11:15 – 11:20 with stories about past lives on earth
11:17 – 11:22 past lives and other planets lifetimes
11:20 – 11:25 as animals
11:22 – 11:27 non-physical lifetimes fascinating
11:25 – 11:29 stories but not at all what I was
11:27 – 11:32 looking for this went on for a period
11:29 – 11:34 months finally I began to despair of
11:32 – 11:36 ever being able to write a book on this
11:34 – 11:39 subject and it was that point I said a
11:36 – 11:41 prayer and I said dear God if you want
11:39 – 11:43 me to write a book about how we plan our
11:41 – 11:46 lives before were born I will do it but
11:43 – 11:48 I need a little help here and wouldn’t
11:46 – 11:51 you know it within a very short time of
11:48 – 11:54 making that prayer I came into contact
11:51 – 11:56 with several very gifted mediums and
11:54 – 11:59 channels who in one way or another could
11:56 – 12:01 find out what somebody planned before
11:59 – 12:04 they were born and so this was the
12:01 – 12:06 methodology I used to research your
12:04 – 12:08 souls plan and your souls gift I would
12:06 – 12:10 interview somebody about a common life
12:08 – 12:12 challenge
12:10 – 12:14 and it’s all the most common things we
12:12 – 12:17 face here because I wanted the books to
12:14 – 12:19 help as many people as possible so we
12:17 – 12:21 talked about the pre birth planning of
12:19 – 12:24 physical illness mental illness
12:21 – 12:26 blindness deafness drug addiction
12:24 – 12:28 alcoholism accidents the death of a
12:26 – 12:30 loved one any common challenge you could
12:28 – 12:32 think of and then the people I
12:30 – 12:34 interviewed had one two or sometimes
12:32 – 12:36 three sessions with the mediums and
12:34 – 12:39 channels in which we asked spirit did
12:36 – 12:42 this person plan this experience before
12:39 – 12:44 he or she was born and if so why and
12:42 – 12:46 then in the books I present all the
12:44 – 12:49 information that came through so the
12:46 – 12:51 intention is to give meaning to
12:49 – 12:54 suffering that might otherwise appear
12:51 – 12:59 not to have any meaning now your souls
12:54 – 13:01 plan came out in early 2007 and as soon
12:59 – 13:03 as it hit the market I started to get
13:01 – 13:05 emails from people all around the world
13:03 – 13:08 who said I want you to tell me what my
13:05 – 13:11 life plan is and for five years I
13:08 – 13:13 responded to each one of those emails in
13:11 – 13:15 exactly the same way I said I’m not a
13:13 – 13:17 medium I’m not a channel I don’t know
13:15 – 13:19 what your life plan is if you want to
13:17 – 13:22 know that work with one of the mediums
13:19 – 13:24 in the book but then I learned about the
13:22 – 13:26 field of life between lives regression
13:24 – 13:29 and I took the training to be able to
13:26 – 13:31 offer that you mentioned in the intro
13:29 – 13:33 that I do past life regression that’s
13:31 – 13:36 true but it’s actually a very small part
13:33 – 13:38 of my practice as a hypnotist 99 plus
13:36 – 13:40 percent of the people who are coming to
13:38 – 13:43 me want to know what their life plan is
13:40 – 13:45 and we can answer that question in in
13:43 – 13:47 between lives regression or a life
13:45 – 13:50 between lives regressions it’s the same
13:47 – 13:53 thing what happens briefly in that kind
13:50 – 13:56 of session we go through some
13:53 – 13:58 preliminary steps that are intended to
13:56 – 14:01 relax the client then I guide them into
13:58 – 14:03 a past life it’s almost always one that
14:01 – 14:05 had a big impact on the plan for the
14:03 – 14:07 current lifetime at the end of the past
14:05 – 14:10 life their consciousness leaves the body
14:07 – 14:12 in the death scene and crosses back over
14:10 – 14:14 to the other side they go home so to
14:12 – 14:16 speak which I know might sound a little
14:14 – 14:19 bit ominous but there’s actually nothing
14:16 – 14:21 to it it’s very easy safe natural and
14:19 – 14:23 gentle and everyone listening to this
14:21 – 14:23 interview has probably done it hundreds
14:23 – 14:26 of
14:23 – 14:27 times already when they get back to the
14:26 – 14:29 other side
14:27 – 14:31 most people are greeted by a spirit
14:29 – 14:32 guide they talked with the guy briefly
14:31 – 14:35 about why they were shown that
14:32 – 14:38 particular past life and how it affected
14:35 – 14:39 the plan for the current lifetime and
14:38 – 14:41 then we asked the person’s guide to
14:39 – 14:44 escort them to what is called the
14:41 – 14:46 council of elders the council consists
14:44 – 14:49 of the very wise loving and highly
14:46 – 14:51 evolved beings who oversee reincarnation
14:49 – 14:53 on earth and they know everything about
14:51 – 14:55 the client the plan for the current
14:53 – 14:58 lifetime and everything that happened in
14:55 – 14:60 every past life they’ve already had so
14:58 – 15:02 if someone gets in front of the council
14:60 – 15:05 of elders that is potentially a
15:02 – 15:07 life-changing experience because the
15:05 – 15:09 council can answer literally any
15:07 – 15:13 question they put to them and so this is
15:09 – 15:16 now about a third of my life about a
15:13 – 15:19 third of my time is spent doing between
15:16 – 15:21 lives regressions it allows me to
15:19 – 15:24 facilitate a process in which people
15:21 – 15:25 have a direct experience that answers
15:24 – 15:28 their questions about their life plan
15:25 – 15:30 they don’t have to rely on a medium to
15:28 – 15:31 be accurate they talked to spirit
15:30 – 15:38 directly and get the information
15:31 – 15:41 themselves yeah I mean this is where it
15:38 – 15:42 gets challenging I guess on a number of
15:41 – 15:45 fronts because and that’s why I was
15:42 – 15:48 guess I was approaching it from a
15:45 – 15:50 training standpoint I mean the way you
15:48 – 15:52 present some of this stuff Rob is is
15:50 – 15:56 awesome we’ve heard a lot of this stuff
15:52 – 15:60 before it’s you saying in a very
15:56 – 16:02 confident assured way which I take it is
15:60 – 16:05 from your experience your direct
16:02 – 16:08 experience and through yourself and and
16:05 – 16:11 also working with your clients I haven’t
16:08 – 16:14 just seen it that way one I’d first say
16:11 – 16:16 that I’ve experimented with past life
16:14 – 16:20 regressions years ago I did one with
16:16 – 16:23 gruesome a guy I met online Bruce
16:20 – 16:26 Goldberg a very very poorly done
16:23 – 16:28 very unprofessional in my opinion even
16:26 – 16:30 though he has quite a reputation is
16:28 – 16:32 completely unsuccessful did another one
16:30 – 16:36 with someone else I met through skeptic
16:32 – 16:37 oh the guy was very earnest spent hours
16:36 – 16:39 with me
16:37 – 16:41 there was no results of it and this is
16:39 – 16:44 from someone just speaking for myself
16:41 – 16:46 I’ve investigated after death
16:44 – 16:47 communication thoroughly you know as I
16:46 – 16:49 pointed you out some of the links that
16:47 – 16:52 we’ve done in this show I’ve interviewed
16:49 – 16:54 dr. Julie by show though I think has
16:52 – 16:57 researched this scientifically more than
16:54 – 16:59 anyone else and I’m very impressed by
16:57 – 17:02 her research and we conducted similar
16:59 – 17:05 type of experiments demonstrations on
17:02 – 17:07 this show with skeptics that is people
17:05 – 17:10 who are not willing to accept the
17:07 – 17:11 reality of this from from anyway if you
17:10 – 17:13 prove it to them scientifically or
17:11 – 17:16 otherwise they just it’s outside of
17:13 – 17:21 their worldview but so I guess what I’m
17:16 – 17:24 kind of leading up to there is my
17:21 – 17:28 experience is that it isn’t quite as
17:24 – 17:31 clean-cut in certain and you know
17:28 – 17:33 matter-of-fact is the way you’ve kind of
17:31 – 17:34 laid it out there do you get what I’m
17:33 – 17:38 where I’m coming from because I’m not
17:34 – 17:41 coming from a purely skeptical I don’t
17:38 – 17:44 believe you standpoint I’m coming from
17:41 – 17:47 let’s compare and contrast all the
17:44 – 17:50 different experiences that folks are
17:47 – 17:52 having and that mediums are reporting
17:50 – 17:54 and let’s kind of see where some of this
17:52 – 17:55 stuff starts to shake out do you get
17:54 – 17:58 what I mean
17:55 – 18:01 I completely understand what you’re
17:58 – 18:04 saying the first thing I want to say in
18:01 – 18:08 response is that my work is in offering
18:04 – 18:10 not an attempt of persuasion it does not
18:08 – 18:12 matter to me at all whether or not
18:10 – 18:15 someone believes in pre birth planning
18:12 – 18:17 or between lives aggressions I care that
18:15 – 18:19 people are happy that they lead
18:17 – 18:21 fulfilling lives how they do that what
18:19 – 18:24 their belief system is does not matter
18:21 – 18:26 to me it’s I’m offering this to people
18:24 – 18:28 in the spirit of helpfulness but it’s up
18:26 – 18:32 to them whether or not they want to
18:28 – 18:35 accept the offering also I want to say
18:32 – 18:37 you know some people do have more
18:35 – 18:41 difficulty going into the trance state
18:37 – 18:44 than others those tend to be people who
18:41 – 18:47 are very analytic either by nature
18:44 – 18:49 and/or training the other categories
18:47 – 18:51 people who have trouble gettin into
18:49 – 18:54 trance are people who have difficulty
18:51 – 18:56 be relaxing for one reason or another
18:54 – 18:59 relaxation is really the key to the
18:56 – 19:02 whole experience generally the reason
18:59 – 19:04 someone has trouble relaxing is that
19:02 – 19:06 they have a very very pressing issue in
19:04 – 19:09 their life that they really really want
19:06 – 19:12 to gain insight into or healing or finds
19:09 – 19:15 just some way of coping with it and so
19:12 – 19:18 that attachment to outcome so to speak
19:15 – 19:21 can cause the person to make even very
19:18 – 19:23 subtle efforts to go into trance which
19:21 – 19:26 is exactly what you don’t want to do
19:23 – 19:28 going into trance is a process that you
19:26 – 19:30 allow to happen it’s not a process that
19:28 – 19:33 you make happen it’s kind of like going
19:30 – 19:36 to a movie you know all you have to do
19:33 – 19:37 is pay your admission fee pick up your
19:36 – 19:41 bucket of popcorn and then sit down in
19:37 – 19:43 the seat and allow the movie to display
19:41 – 19:48 in front of you it’s very much like that
19:43 – 19:51 but you can’t make it happen now if you
19:48 – 19:54 were to observe some of the sessions
19:51 – 19:57 that I do I wonder what your reaction
19:54 – 19:59 would be because the people who are
19:57 – 20:03 having the experience not all of them
19:59 – 20:06 but many of them there is absolutely no
20:03 – 20:08 doubt in their mind that they had the
20:06 – 20:11 between lives experience that they
20:08 – 20:15 talked to the council of elders they
20:11 – 20:18 talked consistently about the complete
20:15 – 20:21 non-judgment and unconditional love they
20:18 – 20:25 felt coming from the council so they
20:21 – 20:27 talked consistently about having a sense
20:25 – 20:30 that the council knew everything about
20:27 – 20:33 them and yet had absolutely no judgment
20:30 – 20:35 of them and for many of them it’s a
20:33 – 20:38 multi-sensory experience they’re
20:35 – 20:42 actually there and so it’s profoundly
20:38 – 20:46 emotional they’re also being given
20:42 – 20:48 information that they otherwise would
20:46 – 20:51 not have access to and then sometime
20:48 – 20:53 down the road in many cases the
20:51 – 20:54 information they’ve been given turns out
20:53 – 20:56 to be correct
20:54 – 20:59 so they end up getting some kind of
20:56 – 21:02 independent verification of what the
20:59 – 21:04 council told them again I don’t want to
21:02 – 21:06 try to persuade you that it’s a real
21:04 – 21:08 phenomena
21:06 – 21:11 but when I see people having this
21:08 – 21:14 experience again and again and again
21:11 – 21:15 there’s no doubt in my mind that it’s
21:14 – 21:18 actually happening
21:15 – 21:21 yeah I mean go ahead and persuade me I
21:18 – 21:22 want to be persuaded you know what I
21:21 – 21:24 mean I want to be persuaded
21:22 – 21:27 I want to persuade other people that’s
21:24 – 21:30 why I do this you know the tagline of
21:27 – 21:33 skeptic Oh is inquiry to perpetuate
21:30 – 21:35 doubt and I didn’t find that I didn’t
21:33 – 21:36 start with that tag line that tag line
21:35 – 21:39 found me because that’s what these
21:36 – 21:41 ancient Greek philosophers that invented
21:39 – 21:43 the idea of skeptical that’s what they
21:41 – 21:46 were about and then I got into and I go
21:43 – 21:49 wow what a wonderful spiritual journey
21:46 – 21:51 because doubt is an awesome spiritual
21:49 – 21:53 journey as opposed to certainty and
21:51 – 21:55 certain to that you know oh I have all
21:53 – 21:57 the answers and I’m not saying that
21:55 – 21:59 that’s what you’re saying let’s be clear
21:57 – 22:01 I’m just trying to hash some of these
21:59 – 22:03 things out because you know what when I
22:01 – 22:05 started like on this journey and my
22:03 – 22:07 journeys gone a lot of different ways
22:05 – 22:10 it’s mainly been about science and
22:07 – 22:12 following the scientific method as this
22:10 – 22:16 kind of grounding and as this toolbox
22:12 – 22:19 with which to look at all the stuff that
22:16 – 22:21 science has deemed as forbidden or
22:19 – 22:23 outside the realm of science and it
22:21 – 22:25 really isn’t so like as I mentioned
22:23 – 22:28 after death communication would be one
22:25 – 22:29 example of that near-death experience
22:28 – 22:32 would be another where there’s now you
22:29 – 22:36 know over 200 peer-reviewed published
22:32 – 22:38 papers that clearly strongly suggest
22:36 – 22:40 that consciousness survives death so
22:38 – 22:44 that is using the scientific method and
22:40 – 22:45 scientific principles to establish
22:44 – 22:48 something as well as we can that goes
22:45 – 22:50 beyond science but back to I guess my
22:48 – 22:52 story and not that it’s about my story
22:50 – 22:54 but that’s all we can share when I first
22:52 – 22:58 got into this I said okay I’m gonna go
22:54 – 23:00 do the medium ship work and I’m gonna
22:58 – 23:02 follow some of the protocols that some
23:00 – 23:04 of these scientists are following
23:02 – 23:06 because they seem to make sense to me in
23:04 – 23:09 terms of sharing limited amounts of
23:06 – 23:10 information kind of being this proxy who
23:09 – 23:13 sits in the middle because the most
23:10 – 23:15 important thing for me would be
23:13 – 23:17 verification of the reality of the
23:15 – 23:18 communication channel so I decided up
23:17 – 23:21 front
23:18 – 23:23 I will kind of limit that channel I’m
23:21 – 23:27 not going to give a lot of information
23:23 – 23:29 beforehand even though that might reduce
23:27 – 23:31 the amount of information I get back
23:29 – 23:33 because it will increase my ability to
23:31 – 23:36 measure well wow I didn’t give that
23:33 – 23:38 person anything and I got a lot back so
23:36 – 23:41 I started with the first medium who was
23:38 – 23:43 recommended to me by the wind bridge
23:41 – 23:46 Institute who does more certification
23:43 – 23:48 high quality certification of these
23:46 – 23:52 mediums than anyone I’ve ever seen Julie
23:48 – 23:55 dr. Julie by Sheila’s PhD pharmacology
23:52 – 23:57 so she you know she tests all has been
23:55 – 23:60 trained to test all sorts of things to
23:57 – 24:02 the highest you know triple blind
23:60 – 24:03 standard and she’s done that with
24:02 – 24:06 mediums so the mediums that she’s
24:03 – 24:08 certified I have a strong degree of
24:06 – 24:10 confidence in that doesn’t mean that
24:08 – 24:12 people can’t find other ones or that you
24:10 – 24:15 in your work haven’t found some terrific
24:12 – 24:17 mediums I’m sure you have I’m just going
24:15 – 24:18 through my process and it was the first
24:17 – 24:21 one I started with
24:18 – 24:23 it was rather expensive as medium goes
24:21 – 24:26 as mediums go and we did this session
24:23 – 24:27 and this is several years ago and it was
24:26 – 24:30 a complete disaster I mean there was
24:27 – 24:32 nothing no hits but the the the
24:30 – 24:35 significant thing for me was at the end
24:32 – 24:37 she goes you know this rarely happens I
24:35 – 24:39 need to return all your money and so
24:37 – 24:41 that immediately kind of dispelled this
24:39 – 24:43 thing that you’ll always hear skeptics
24:41 – 24:44 say that these people are scam artists
24:43 – 24:46 are all the rest set here’s someone had
24:44 – 24:48 spent you know an hour hour and a half
24:46 – 24:50 with me and said hey it isn’t working
24:48 – 24:52 here’s your money back to kind of
24:50 – 24:53 shorten up this story I found someone
24:52 – 24:56 else getting highly-respected
24:53 – 24:58 almost the same thing happened and again
24:56 – 24:60 the guy was super nice he does man I got
24:58 – 25:00 to give your money back this rarely
24:60 – 25:04 happens
25:00 – 25:06 the third medium I talk to though it was
25:04 – 25:11 a completely different situation I
25:06 – 25:12 didn’t change my protocol on my end kind
25:11 – 25:14 of going it’s what you said I didn’t
25:12 – 25:17 have any different mindset I didn’t do a
25:14 – 25:20 different prayer mantra or anything like
25:17 – 25:23 that or relieve myself of any you know
25:20 – 25:25 predisposed ideas I had the third medium
25:23 – 25:27 was an incredible connection I had a
25:25 – 25:29 deep connection with my father and said
25:27 – 25:32 some things that I thought were
25:29 – 25:35 impossible for someone too
25:32 – 25:41 without having some true connection to
25:35 – 25:44 the other side so I guess I would kind
25:41 – 25:47 of use that to kind of call into
25:44 – 25:51 question that I mean why why does it
25:47 – 25:55 depend on me and if there’s a reality to
25:51 – 25:57 this and certain people can accept
25:55 – 25:60 access that reality and bring back
25:57 – 26:02 information why turn it around and say
25:60 – 26:05 well some people are close to it or some
26:02 – 26:07 people can’t go into a trance State how
26:05 – 26:10 in your understanding of it should that
26:07 – 26:13 matter why would that matter you know
26:10 – 26:15 I’ll share a personal story with you
26:13 – 26:19 that answers that question
26:15 – 26:22 my father died about eight years ago and
26:19 – 26:25 after he died I went to a medium who I
26:22 – 26:27 thought highly of and she was able to
26:25 – 26:30 contact him
26:27 – 26:32 it was as though you were in the room
26:30 – 26:35 and I was talking to him directly
26:32 – 26:37 I took nine pages of notes on the
26:35 – 26:40 conversation and then when the session
26:37 – 26:42 was over I went to my sister’s home and
26:40 – 26:44 I read the notes word-for-word to my
26:42 – 26:49 sister and my brother-in-law and they
26:44 – 26:51 said that’s him that’s your father then
26:49 – 26:53 a couple weeks later they went to see
26:51 – 26:56 the same medium in the hope of talking
26:53 – 26:59 to him but they don’t believe in
26:56 – 27:00 mediumship they couldn’t explain my
26:59 – 27:01 experience but in general they just
27:00 – 27:05 don’t believe in it
27:01 – 27:07 and the medium was not able to contact
27:05 – 27:10 my father the session was a complete
27:07 – 27:12 disaster and they asked me afterwards
27:10 – 27:15 you know how did this work for you and
27:12 – 27:18 not work for us and I said well I can’t
27:15 – 27:21 be sure but I think on some level the
27:18 – 27:24 medium probably picked up on your
27:21 – 27:26 skepticism and that probably rattled her
27:24 – 27:27 a little bit made her a little bit
27:26 – 27:30 nervous in other words lowered her
27:27 – 27:32 vibration and in order to contact
27:30 – 27:35 someone on the other side she has to
27:32 – 27:36 raise her vibration the person who’s in
27:35 – 27:38 spirit lowers theirs and they meet
27:36 – 27:42 somewhere in the middle so I think
27:38 – 27:42 that’s probably what happened
27:42 – 27:48 does that answer your question no it
27:46 – 27:51 really doesn’t because as I explained I
27:48 – 27:54 mean you know where there is some
27:51 – 27:56 benefit I believe in taking a scientific
27:54 – 27:59 approach to this and that’s why I keep
27:56 – 28:01 referencing you know Julie by shawl and
27:59 – 28:02 the university Arizona is where she
28:01 – 28:04 started and then she did this work
28:02 – 28:06 there’s none of that in any other
28:04 – 28:08 research they do they don’t talk about
28:06 – 28:11 vibratory ‘old differences and stuff
28:08 – 28:13 like that they just do it over and over
28:11 – 28:15 and over again and they do this lab work
28:13 – 28:18 with mediums and they measure whether or
28:15 – 28:21 not they can achieve a certain result I
28:18 – 28:25 like that do you find any do you have
28:21 – 28:28 any attraction to the scientific
28:25 – 28:31 approach to some of this spiritual work
28:28 – 28:33 I mean does that do you do you
28:31 – 28:36 understand the need that some people
28:33 – 28:38 have of trying to resolve some of these
28:36 – 28:40 well why does it happen this way why
28:38 – 28:44 does it happen that way kind of thing I
28:40 – 28:45 do that’s why I’m all in favor of those
28:44 – 28:48 people who are taking the scientific
28:45 – 28:50 approach and I wish them great success
28:48 – 28:53 with their work because we do live in a
28:50 – 28:56 very rational society especially in the
28:53 – 29:00 West and there’s a great need for a
28:56 – 29:03 bridge between intellect and spirit my
29:00 – 29:06 own work though is not in that area I
29:03 – 29:09 understand my mission which I believe is
29:06 – 29:11 a pre-birth mission is to bring an
29:09 – 29:15 understanding of pre-birth planning to
29:11 – 29:19 as many people as possible the focus is
29:15 – 29:23 on healing spiritual growth and so forth
29:19 – 29:25 it’s not on proving anything signed
29:23 – 29:27 typically I’ve never attempted to do
29:25 – 29:30 that and I don’t think that it’s my
29:27 – 29:32 purpose here but I want to share a story
29:30 – 29:35 with you that I think you you may find
29:32 – 29:39 very interesting number of years ago I
29:35 – 29:42 led a group past life regression at a
29:39 – 29:45 conference and two of the participants
29:42 – 29:47 in this workshop were sisters the
29:45 – 29:50 sisters had a similar experience during
29:47 – 29:52 the regression which was they saw images
29:50 – 29:56 of a particular past life in their mind
29:52 – 29:59 side but it didn’t feel quote/unquote
29:56 – 30:01 real to either one of them and so by the
29:59 – 30:03 time the workshop was over they had both
30:01 – 30:06 concluded on their own that they had
30:03 – 30:07 simply made up the whole experience but
30:06 – 30:09 then they went out to dinner together
30:07 – 30:12 and shared their experiences with each
30:09 – 30:14 other and what they discovered to their
30:12 – 30:17 amazement was that they had both gone
30:14 – 30:18 back to exactly the same past life in
30:17 – 30:21 which they’ve been in the family
30:18 – 30:23 together now one was the mother and one
30:21 – 30:25 was the daughter said they saw it from
30:23 – 30:27 different viewpoints but everything they
30:25 – 30:29 saw was the same they saw the same
30:27 – 30:33 people the same clothing the same home
30:29 – 30:35 the same furnishings the same grounds
30:33 – 30:38 around the home everything was identical
30:35 – 30:40 so that gave them independent
30:38 – 30:43 confirmation that it had really come
30:40 – 30:47 from spirit not only that a few weeks
30:43 – 30:51 later they managed to trace their family
30:47 – 30:54 tree back about five generations to a
30:51 – 30:56 particular state in England and there
30:54 – 30:57 one of the sisters went there and that
30:56 – 30:60 she wrote to me and she said Rob the
30:57 – 31:02 grounds around this estate are exactly
30:60 – 31:04 what I saw in the workshop so then they
31:02 – 31:08 had a second independent confirmation
31:04 – 31:10 that it had really come from spirit and
31:08 – 31:13 just last month I was doing the workshop
31:10 – 31:15 in Spain and the same thing happened
31:13 – 31:17 again there were two women who are
31:15 – 31:21 friends who attended the workshop
31:17 – 31:24 together and in the past life portion of
31:21 – 31:27 the between lives regression they both
31:24 – 31:28 went back to the same past life in which
31:27 – 31:31 they were male
31:28 – 31:35 they were Vikings and they saw the same
31:31 – 31:36 Viking life time in their minds I so
31:35 – 31:40 this kind of thing has now happened
31:36 – 31:44 twice and I think that’s pretty amazing
31:40 – 31:46 now I’ve heard similar kind of accounts
31:44 – 31:48 in the research that we’ve done on the
31:46 – 31:52 show but here’s the problem I’ve also
31:48 – 31:54 heard differences than that I sent you
31:52 – 31:60 some of the links that I did one is dr.
31:54 – 32:04 Julia Sante very gifted medium PhD
31:60 – 32:06 trained has done thousands and thousands
32:04 – 32:10 of readings she’s coming back and saying
32:06 – 32:12 well our understanding these past slides
32:10 – 32:15 isn’t what we think they are there the
32:12 – 32:18 timeline idea that we have this linear
32:15 – 32:21 past life thing isn’t what’s really
32:18 – 32:24 going on we’re living simultaneous lives
32:21 – 32:27 interviewed another medium I sent you
32:24 – 32:31 the link on the show August go forth a
32:27 – 32:34 medium I can’t speak to how good he is
32:31 – 32:37 but you know a lot of people love his
32:34 – 32:40 readings no very skeptical of
32:37 – 32:42 reincarnation all the work he’s done on
32:40 – 32:45 the other side makes him very skeptical
32:42 – 32:47 that that reincarnation happens at all
32:45 – 32:50 you’ll talk to other you know
32:47 – 32:52 spiritually ascended kind of people
32:50 – 32:55 gurus or mystics and they’ll tell you
32:52 – 32:57 reincarnation works this way or that way
32:55 – 32:59 or you’ll talk to shaman and they’ll say
32:57 – 33:02 you know you don’t even want to go there
32:59 – 33:06 don’t even contact your past spirits I
33:02 – 33:09 just spoke with a woman who studied this
33:06 – 33:11 shamanistic culture in Siberia who are
33:09 – 33:13 the original shamans and they say though
33:11 – 33:16 you would never want to contact your
33:13 – 33:17 this in this case your ancestors which
33:16 – 33:20 isn’t really your past life thing but
33:17 – 33:23 it’s like there is a lot of different
33:20 – 33:25 information out there and I I can on one
33:23 – 33:26 hand understand that you say well that’s
33:25 – 33:29 not what I’ve seen that’s not what I’ve
33:26 – 33:33 encountered but therein lies the problem
33:29 – 33:36 I mean if we’re kind of try to navigate
33:33 – 33:38 this landscape this topography if we’re
33:36 – 33:41 trying to map it out and understand
33:38 – 33:45 personally how we traverse it then we do
33:41 – 33:48 have to you know as that kind of take to
33:45 – 33:50 your rational logical side we do have to
33:48 – 33:53 kind of sort through this information
33:50 – 33:55 the best we can so what do we do with
33:53 – 33:57 the differences the the fundamental
33:55 – 34:00 differences we we sometimes get back
33:57 – 34:04 about what these extended consciousness
34:00 – 34:07 realms are well I think what you do
34:04 – 34:10 depends upon what your intention is if
34:07 – 34:14 you are a researcher whose intention is
34:10 – 34:17 to discover absolute truth so to speak
34:14 – 34:19 then you continue with the scientific
34:17 – 34:23 approach and you try to resolve these
34:19 – 34:26 apparent discrepancies if your
34:23 – 34:29 someone like me whose intention is to
34:26 – 34:33 offer a healing perspective or a
34:29 – 34:35 perspective that gives people the deeper
34:33 – 34:39 spiritual meaning and purpose of their
34:35 – 34:41 biggest challenges then you simply
34:39 – 34:43 present the information that comes
34:41 – 34:45 through with spirit I’m aware of all the
34:43 – 34:47 various viewpoints that you just
34:45 – 34:49 mentioned they’ve all come up at one
34:47 – 34:51 point or another in the research I did
34:49 – 34:53 for my books but again that has not been
34:51 – 34:56 my focus I’m not trying to resolve those
34:53 – 35:01 discrepancies I’m focused on the person
34:56 – 35:03 whose child has a severe illness or who
35:01 – 35:06 has just lost their spouse in a tragic
35:03 – 35:08 accident and they’re asking how could
35:06 – 35:10 this happen what does it mean how do I
35:08 – 35:12 heal from this those are the questions
35:10 – 35:16 that I’m focused on fair enough
35:12 – 35:18 so let’s move off of that whole category
35:16 – 35:20 because I think there’s merit in in what
35:18 – 35:24 you’re saying and I do appreciate that
35:20 – 35:26 you’ve at least examine that to the
35:24 – 35:28 extent that you’re open to it and know
35:26 – 35:32 that it’s out there even if that’s not
35:28 – 35:34 what you’re pursuing right now so let me
35:32 – 35:37 kind of approach this whole thing from a
35:34 – 35:40 slightly different perspective from your
35:37 – 35:42 work from your understanding how do you
35:40 – 35:43 understand the differences in these
35:42 – 35:46 realms and I’ll give you a specific
35:43 – 35:50 example let’s take that near-death
35:46 – 35:53 experience body of work that we get back
35:50 – 35:57 and the reports of that how do you
35:53 – 35:59 understand the near-death experience in
35:57 – 36:01 terms of these extended realms what’s
35:59 – 36:05 going on there
36:01 – 36:09 well let me let me answer by drawing
36:05 – 36:11 upon a different subject than MD he’s
36:09 – 36:14 because I think this will get at one
36:11 – 36:16 possible answer to your question you’ll
36:14 – 36:21 remember that a number of years ago
36:16 – 36:23 there was a natural disaster in
36:21 – 36:26 Southeast Asia there was a typhoon a
36:23 – 36:27 monsoon that killed about a hundred
36:26 – 36:31 thousand people
36:27 – 36:33 I’ve asked about that event in the
36:31 – 36:36 research I’ve done for your Souls
36:33 – 36:39 planning your souls gift and what
36:36 – 36:43 told in the channeling sessions is that
36:39 – 36:46 those 100,000 or so souls before they
36:43 – 36:48 were born they looked at the earth and
36:46 – 36:50 they said basically we would like the
36:48 – 36:52 earth as a planet as a whole
36:50 – 36:55 to be at a certain frequency or
36:52 – 36:58 vibration by a certain point in linear
36:55 – 37:01 time and if it looks as though the earth
36:58 – 37:03 is not going to get there we agree to
37:01 – 37:06 give our lives in a large scale natural
37:03 – 37:08 disaster because we know that the result
37:06 – 37:11 of that disaster will be a worldwide
37:08 – 37:13 outpouring of love and support and aid
37:11 – 37:15 and compassion it will elevate the
37:13 – 37:17 frequency of the entire planet and you
37:15 – 37:19 might remember that’s exactly what
37:17 – 37:21 happened you had all the governments of
37:19 – 37:25 the world temporarily put aside their
37:21 – 37:27 differences to funnel aid into Southeast
37:25 – 37:31 Asia now why am I talking about this
37:27 – 37:33 well if you look at that natural
37:31 – 37:37 disaster strictly from a human
37:33 – 37:39 standpoint it’s obviously a terrible
37:37 – 37:43 tragedy hundred thousand people were
37:39 – 37:45 killed but if you look at it from the
37:43 – 37:48 perspective of say a spirit guide it’s
37:45 – 37:51 actually a great blessing because again
37:48 – 37:52 that outpouring of aid and unconditional
37:51 – 37:54 love raised the frequency of the whole
37:52 – 37:58 planet so you know there’s an old saying
37:54 – 37:59 that where you stand depends upon where
37:58 – 38:02 you sit
37:59 – 38:04 so if where you sit so to speak is in
38:02 – 38:08 the third dimension as a human being
38:04 – 38:10 where you stand on the tsunami is that
38:08 – 38:13 it was a terrible tragedy but if where
38:10 – 38:16 you sit is in a higher dimension as a
38:13 – 38:18 spirit guide than where you stand on the
38:16 – 38:20 tsunami is that it was a great blessing
38:18 – 38:23 to the world there you have two
38:20 – 38:25 diametrically opposed viewpoints and yet
38:23 – 38:29 both are correct from the vantage point
38:25 – 38:31 of the observer this I think is why we
38:29 – 38:33 have a lot of these discrepancies that
38:31 – 38:37 are very difficult to answer when we
38:33 – 38:40 research phenomena like MDEs
38:37 – 38:42 or reincarnation because you have
38:40 – 38:44 diametrically opposed viewpoints
38:42 – 38:47 depending upon which dimension you’re in
38:44 – 38:49 and yet even though they’re doing that
38:47 – 38:50 diametrically opposed they’re still
38:49 – 38:53 correct
38:50 – 38:55 the vantage point of the observer yeah
38:53 – 38:58 that’s troubling it I don’t I just don’t
38:55 – 39:03 see how that gets us anywhere I mean you
38:58 – 39:06 can go look today at the effects of the
39:03 – 39:09 tsunami that are still there that have
39:06 – 39:12 devastated some of these countries these
39:09 – 39:15 islands and will for the foreseeable
39:12 – 39:17 future because the aid was siphoned off
39:15 – 39:19 and went to the wrong people and or
39:17 – 39:22 wasn’t enough or that you know people
39:19 – 39:25 forget after the two or three week aid
39:22 – 39:27 drive so you know the misery that’s been
39:25 – 39:29 perpetuated on for generations and
39:27 – 39:31 generations of that well we can just
39:29 – 39:33 explain that away is you know someone
39:31 – 39:34 signed up for that and well that’s all
39:33 – 39:36 okay
39:34 – 39:37 I mean it’s never-ending and you can
39:36 – 39:39 kind of take it and pull it apart in any
39:37 – 39:42 way you want or you could look at the
39:39 – 39:45 failure of the systems that we have in
39:42 – 39:47 place to warn people about tsunamis and
39:45 – 39:49 how that system failed and maybe that’s
39:47 – 39:51 been improved and maybe that was the
39:49 – 39:53 purpose of it I mean I think for a lot
39:51 – 39:58 of people including myself that’s just
39:53 – 39:60 an unsatisfying answer that and it the
39:58 – 40:02 only thing that kind of halfway
39:60 – 40:04 legitimizes it is this answer that oh it
40:02 – 40:07 came from spirit or was somehow
40:04 – 40:10 channeled and I’m not sure that holds up
40:07 – 40:12 to scrutiny I mean again because there’s
40:10 – 40:14 contradictions and there’s trickster
40:12 – 40:16 elements to it and can we really here’s
40:14 – 40:20 a question I guess when that side that
40:16 – 40:22 rant can we really trust what spirits
40:20 – 40:24 tell us all the time given that we have
40:22 – 40:29 some indication that sometimes spirits
40:24 – 40:31 are deceiving people well that question
40:29 – 40:33 is you have to be discerning it’s a
40:31 – 40:36 well-known phenomenon that there are
40:33 – 40:40 lower vibrational beings in the lower
40:36 – 40:43 astral realms who will sometimes
40:40 – 40:45 misrepresent themselves as ascended or
40:43 – 40:48 enlightened beings and they are
40:45 – 40:52 tricksters as you said their intention
40:48 – 40:55 is not Noble it’s to wreak havoc with
40:52 – 40:58 unsuspecting people who believe their
40:55 – 41:00 misrepresentations so in the research
40:58 – 41:03 that I did for my two books I had a
41:00 – 41:06 number of personal sessions with ever
41:03 – 41:09 medium in channel before I chose those I
41:06 – 41:11 wanted to work with and the ones I chose
41:09 – 41:15 were those who could bring forward
41:11 – 41:18 information consistently that I knew to
41:15 – 41:20 be accurate about my own life and again
41:18 – 41:22 I had not told them anything before we
41:20 – 41:25 did these sessions they obtained this
41:22 – 41:27 information on their own so I felt very
41:25 – 41:29 comfortable that those people were the
41:27 – 41:31 best of the best there were a number of
41:29 – 41:34 others who I did these trial sessions
41:31 – 41:35 with and I thought no this you know
41:34 – 41:38 there’s really nothing here that makes
41:35 – 41:40 me want to work with this person but the
41:38 – 41:42 ones that I eventually chose I believe
41:40 – 41:45 to be very very good they knew many
41:42 – 41:47 things about me that they could have no
41:45 – 41:51 other way of knowing unless Spirit were
41:47 – 41:53 really communicating with them you know
41:51 – 41:57 just recently I interviewed a gentleman
41:53 – 41:59 Oxford philosopher and very accomplished
41:57 – 42:03 in the publishing world has edited and
41:59 – 42:05 helped publish oh just many many
42:03 – 42:08 best-selling important books his name is
42:05 – 42:09 Mark booth and his own book the secret
42:08 – 42:11 history of the world was an
42:09 – 42:13 international bestseller he’s really
42:11 – 42:16 educating himself in a lot of this
42:13 – 42:18 esoteric secret knowledge and claims to
42:16 – 42:22 know a lot through people who have
42:18 – 42:26 direct communication with these ascended
42:22 – 42:29 masters and he comes back with a very
42:26 – 42:32 Christian version of things I also had a
42:29 – 42:35 similar experience with an out-of-body
42:32 – 42:39 traveler medium that I worked through a
42:35 – 42:42 demonstration experiment on this show
42:39 – 42:46 Marilyn Hughes and I have to tell you
42:42 – 42:48 rot she was extremely effective in the
42:46 – 42:51 tests that we did there was this woman
42:48 – 42:56 who had lost her daughter to suicide as
42:51 – 42:59 a teenager and Marilyn’s method is as
42:56 – 43:02 she claims it means she prays to God and
42:59 – 43:04 to Jesus before she goes to bed and
43:02 – 43:07 during her sleep she out-of-body travels
43:04 – 43:11 to these other realms she was able to
43:07 – 43:13 find this young woman in this kind of
43:11 – 43:16 rather dark realm in this confused realm
43:13 – 43:18 she’s able to get some very
43:16 – 43:21 you never get information confirming
43:18 – 43:23 information and I was the proxy sitter
43:21 – 43:25 so I was giving her no information but I
43:23 – 43:27 was funneling the information back to
43:25 – 43:29 her mother and her mother was like oh my
43:27 – 43:31 gosh how could she know this this is
43:29 – 43:34 right on the whole process was extremely
43:31 – 43:37 healing to hopefully to both sides I
43:34 – 43:39 don’t know about the woman who was
43:37 – 43:42 deceased but certainly healing for the
43:39 – 43:45 mother in the family but a strong
43:42 – 43:49 Christian overlay on this thing a strong
43:45 – 43:51 set of beliefs and assumptions about how
43:49 – 43:55 the world works that is again different
43:51 – 43:59 from some other folks so what are we to
43:55 – 44:02 make of the religious aspect that some
43:59 – 44:06 people associate with this kind of work
44:02 – 44:11 and is should that it all be a guide or
44:06 – 44:14 a caution to doing this work well I I
44:11 – 44:16 don’t know what the particular religious
44:14 – 44:19 beliefs are of the two individuals you
44:16 – 44:21 just mentioned but my understanding in
44:19 – 44:25 general is that belief is a very
44:21 – 44:28 powerful creative force there are
44:25 – 44:31 subatomic particles that in some circles
44:28 – 44:33 are referred to as trilliums and it’s
44:31 – 44:36 believed that they rearrange themselves
44:33 – 44:38 according to a person’s belief system in
44:36 – 44:41 other words matter is rearranging itself
44:38 – 44:45 according to a person’s belief system
44:41 – 44:46 the implication of that is that everyone
44:45 – 44:49 is going to have that experience of
44:46 – 44:53 being right their beliefs are going to
44:49 – 44:55 draw to them evidence that seems to
44:53 – 44:56 confirm on the surface that their
44:55 – 44:60 beliefs are correct
44:56 – 45:02 so this is a very powerful phenomenon as
44:60 – 45:04 I understand it and it’s something that
45:02 – 45:06 I think all of us need to be aware of
45:04 – 45:09 especially those of us who are doing
45:06 – 45:11 research in any particular field okay so
45:09 – 45:13 I was kind of waiting so I thought you
45:11 – 45:16 were gonna add something to that well
45:13 – 45:19 wouldn’t that equally apply to your work
45:16 – 45:22 and life planning in between lives and
45:19 – 45:25 all that I mean right it does it
45:22 – 45:28 absolutely does but again since I’m not
45:25 – 45:33 endeavoring to prove anything scientific
45:28 – 45:36 claim it’s its again the focus is on
45:33 – 45:39 healing understanding spiritual growth
45:36 – 45:41 and so forth I’m aware of this
45:39 – 45:44 phenomenon I know that it’s very strong
45:41 – 45:47 but since I’m not attempting to persuade
45:44 – 45:49 anyone of anything or prove anything in
45:47 – 45:51 a scientific way
45:49 – 45:54 I think it’s sufficient for me simply to
45:51 – 45:56 be aware of it but those who are in the
45:54 – 45:59 scientific realm were trying to prove
45:56 – 46:02 something in the scientific way there it
45:59 – 46:04 has much more profound implications I’m
46:02 – 46:07 not sure exactly what a scientific
46:04 – 46:09 researcher could or should do about it
46:07 – 46:12 other than to be aware of it and how
46:09 – 46:13 strong it is though I would completely
46:12 – 46:16 agree and I think it’s a really
46:13 – 46:19 important point and I’m glad you made it
46:16 – 46:23 and I respect how you’re wrestling with
46:19 – 46:25 it if I understand you correctly because
46:23 – 46:27 let me see if I got that but what you
46:25 – 46:29 said is yeah there may be be this I
46:27 – 46:32 think the Buddhists call it like the
46:29 – 46:36 tapa kind of thought-form thing where we
46:32 – 46:40 are creating our reality all the time as
46:36 – 46:43 we go all and and everything is a kind
46:40 – 46:46 of creation and that therefore if we
46:43 – 46:48 want to see past lives we can see past
46:46 – 46:50 lives if we want to see between lives we
46:48 – 46:53 can see between lives and we’ll never
46:50 – 46:55 know at the very least we’ll never know
46:53 – 46:58 the quote-unquote reality of that but at
46:55 – 47:03 another reality whatever is being
46:58 – 47:07 created is for our betterment in terms
47:03 – 47:09 of our souls kind of path evolution
47:07 – 47:12 journey am I kind of on the right track
47:09 – 47:14 or am I just Worth’s a living this whole
47:12 – 47:17 thing you know I think that is very much
47:14 – 47:19 on the right track and and this is
47:17 – 47:22 something that I talk about in the
47:19 – 47:24 lectures and the workshops I do the the
47:22 – 47:27 third dimension the world that we live
47:24 – 47:29 in is set up to mirror you back to you
47:27 – 47:31 that is a fundamental function of life
47:29 – 47:33 in the third dimension the world is
47:31 – 47:35 organized to mirror you back to you so
47:33 – 47:38 that you can discover what lies within
47:35 – 47:40 your consciousness even if it’s at the
47:38 – 47:41 subconscious level and if there’s
47:40 – 47:43 something there that’s in need of you
47:41 – 47:46 you can then bring it to the light of
47:43 – 47:49 conscious awareness or you can then set
47:46 – 47:53 about healing it the way this shows up
47:49 – 47:56 in my work is that just about everybody
47:53 – 47:59 has had at least one past life and
47:56 – 48:01 usually multiple past lives in my belief
47:59 – 48:04 system in which certain things happened
48:01 – 48:07 that caused them to pick up a false
48:04 – 48:10 belief or a false feeling about
48:07 – 48:11 themselves by false I mean it falls from
48:10 – 48:14 the perspective of their soul
48:11 – 48:18 two of the most common false beliefs are
48:14 – 48:21 one that one is powerless and two that
48:18 – 48:23 one is unworthy or perhaps even
48:21 – 48:26 worthless if you feel or believe
48:23 – 48:28 yourself to be powerless or unworthy or
48:26 – 48:32 worthless what will happen is you will
48:28 – 48:34 magnetize or draw to yourself
48:32 – 48:36 experiences that seem on the surface to
48:34 – 48:41 confirm to you that you are in fact
48:36 – 48:43 powerless or unworthy or worthless this
48:41 – 48:45 is not done in a punitive way it’s not
48:43 – 48:49 done to be harsh even though it might
48:45 – 48:51 sound that way the reason it happens
48:49 – 48:54 again is that the world mirrors you back
48:51 – 48:56 to you so if you have one of these false
48:54 – 48:57 beliefs or feelings about yourself you
48:56 – 48:59 can then bring it to the light of
48:57 – 49:02 conscious awareness where you can then
48:59 – 49:06 set about healing it that’s what I think
49:02 – 49:08 is happening with that interesting you
49:06 – 49:11 know I really appreciate your openness
49:08 – 49:13 and your willingness to kind of handle
49:11 – 49:15 these these questions that a lot of
49:13 – 49:17 people just kind of shut down or they
49:15 – 49:21 kind of draw into their shell or you
49:17 – 49:25 know just show that they’re not open to
49:21 – 49:28 the kind of exploration that I think is
49:25 – 49:30 at the core of this work anyway I mean
49:28 – 49:32 if we are discovering our spiritual
49:30 – 49:35 journey then I don’t understand why
49:32 – 49:38 people aren’t open to looking at all
49:35 – 49:40 different aspects of the problem so I
49:38 – 49:43 really commend you for that let me kind
49:40 – 49:45 of a as we wrap this up let me come up
49:43 – 49:48 one other issue that is just kind of a
49:45 – 49:50 curiosity it’s more of a curiosity issue
49:48 – 49:52 I think there’s something here that I’m
49:50 – 49:54 trying to drill into but I’m just asking
49:52 – 49:55 you from your experience from your work
49:54 – 49:57 from the stuff
49:55 – 50:02 if you’ve seen and done do you think
49:57 – 50:04 there’s a technological or biological
50:02 – 50:08 aspect to spirit communication are we
50:04 – 50:11 gonna see it on our iPhone oh do we see
50:08 – 50:13 it in consciousness from other planets
50:11 – 50:16 who are more advanced we see it an ET
50:13 – 50:19 you know is there a technological
50:16 – 50:21 biological aspect of this stuff I
50:19 – 50:24 believe that there’s definitely a
50:21 – 50:28 biological aspect this is a little bit
50:24 – 50:31 beyond my area of expertise but for
50:28 – 50:33 example the pineal gland is very
50:31 – 50:37 important in terms of connection with
50:33 – 50:39 spirit the chakra system which is well
50:37 – 50:42 known and quite an ancient system of
50:39 – 50:46 understanding I think is very important
50:42 – 50:48 there are as I understand it several
50:46 – 50:51 etheric bodies surrounding the physical
50:48 – 50:53 body so from the physical body moving
50:51 – 50:55 outward the next layer is the emotional
50:53 – 50:58 body than the mental body and then the
50:55 – 51:00 spiritual body and there are bodies a
50:58 – 51:02 channelled literature that explain what
51:00 – 51:05 happened to what happens to those
51:02 – 51:07 different bodies after you die and as
51:05 – 51:09 you move up through the dimensions you
51:07 – 51:13 shed them until eventually you have only
51:09 – 51:16 the spiritual body left in terms of
51:13 – 51:18 Technology I think the really
51:16 – 51:20 interesting question there is what will
51:18 – 51:25 be the connection years down the road
51:20 – 51:27 between AI and spirit because spirit as
51:25 – 51:31 I understand it loves to move into form
51:27 – 51:34 form meaning the physical realm right
51:31 – 51:36 now spirit has moved into physical human
51:34 – 51:40 bodies and also plant and animal and
51:36 – 51:42 insect bodies but it won’t be long until
51:40 – 51:46 we have various forms of artificial
51:42 – 51:49 intelligence and what will happen in his
51:46 – 51:51 spirit going to move into a robot I
51:49 – 51:54 don’t know the answer to that question
51:51 – 51:57 but it will be fascinating to find out
51:54 – 51:59 it will and you know even closer to the
51:57 – 52:02 horizon what is going to happen when we
51:59 – 52:04 transplant a human head as that guy and
52:02 – 52:07 I forget his name that guy in Italy that
52:04 – 52:09 neurosurgeon is planning to do either
52:07 – 52:11 this year or next year
52:09 – 52:13 you know what’s going to happen there in
52:11 – 52:16 terms of the connection between our
52:13 – 52:19 physical body or physical brain and
52:16 – 52:22 consciousness but these are fascinating
52:19 – 52:23 questions and you know it’s a whole new
52:22 – 52:25 world out there we’re gonna be moving
52:23 – 52:27 into all these new areas like the one
52:25 – 52:30 you just mentioned like artificial
52:27 – 52:33 intelligence and I’m not sure what the
52:30 – 52:36 intersection is between spirit and those
52:33 – 52:39 things is going to look like but we’re
52:36 – 52:41 going to see some of it in our lifetime
52:39 – 52:44 and I think it’s it’s going to be
52:41 – 52:46 fascinating to see what develops and
52:44 – 52:48 what about ET you know I just
52:46 – 52:51 interviewed a very gifted medium named
52:48 – 52:54 Marissa Ryan you know 90% of her work is
52:51 – 52:56 with after-death communication for the
52:54 – 52:58 grieving again another win Bridge
52:56 – 52:60 Institute certified medium highly
52:58 – 53:02 skilled but I wanted to talk to her
52:60 – 53:04 because in one of her presentations she
53:02 – 53:06 just she’s just like a super open person
53:04 – 53:08 just she just does these readings
53:06 – 53:10 publicly sometimes and says whatever
53:08 – 53:12 comes up she goes the guy asks about et
53:10 – 53:13 and she goes well I think you’re being
53:12 – 53:14 followed I don’t think you’re being
53:13 – 53:17 tracked and there definitely is
53:14 – 53:20 intelligent spirit from other planets
53:17 – 53:22 that did they do choose to interact at
53:20 – 53:24 times down here and people can be
53:22 – 53:27 reincarnated on different planets in
53:24 – 53:31 different lives do you have any
53:27 – 53:36 knowledge experience with with the et
53:31 – 53:39 question only minimal earlier this year
53:36 – 53:41 I was you know Australia to speak at a
53:39 – 53:45 spirituality conference that was running
53:41 – 53:49 side-by-side with an 18 conference and
53:45 – 53:53 during one of the breaks I was standing
53:49 – 53:55 outside close to the beach with a group
53:53 – 53:57 of people who were attending the et
53:55 – 54:01 conference and for the first time in my
53:57 – 54:03 life I saw what I considered to be an
54:01 – 54:06 unidentified flying object or actually
54:03 – 54:10 objects in the sky they were points of
54:06 – 54:13 light but they were moving so fast and
54:10 – 54:14 and at 90 degree angles they would go in
54:13 – 54:18 one direction then suddenly shift at the
54:14 – 54:20 same speed to move 90 degrees in another
54:18 – 54:22 direction I had never seen anything like
54:20 – 54:25 that in my life before
54:22 – 54:29 all the people at the PT conference were
54:25 – 54:31 saying that this was a demonstration the
54:29 – 54:34 ETS were given to them as a way of
54:31 – 54:37 confirming their belief in
54:34 – 54:39 extraterrestrials who knows what the
54:37 – 54:41 intention was on the part of whoever was
54:39 – 54:45 doing this but it sure looked like
54:41 – 54:47 unidentified flying objects to me Rob
54:45 – 54:49 what are some of the most common reasons
54:47 – 54:51 that people seek your help they hear an
54:49 – 54:54 interview like this
54:51 – 54:57 what is them what is it that sparks them
54:54 – 54:58 to say okay I have to do this I have to
54:57 – 55:01 get a session with Rob I have to figure
54:58 – 55:04 out more the people who come to me for
55:01 – 55:06 between life regression usually fall
55:04 – 55:09 into one of two categories the first
55:06 – 55:11 category is the general spiritual
55:09 – 55:15 Explorer this is someone who is on a
55:11 – 55:17 conscious spiritual path they want very
55:15 – 55:19 much to learn and grow as much as they
55:17 – 55:21 can over this lifetime to make the best
55:19 – 55:24 possible use of whatever their time
55:21 – 55:26 they’re on planet earth and so they want
55:24 – 55:28 to talk to the council of elders in
55:26 – 55:31 in-between lives agression to ask what
55:28 – 55:33 did I plan for this lifetime what is my
55:31 – 55:36 purpose how am i doing in fulfilling my
55:33 – 55:39 plan how can I do better the second
55:36 – 55:41 group of people are those I referred to
55:39 – 55:44 earlier who have had something difficult
55:41 – 55:47 happen they’ve had some kind of major
55:44 – 55:49 challenge or tragedy they’re trying to
55:47 – 55:52 heal from it they’re also trying to
55:49 – 55:54 understand it they want to ask the
55:52 – 55:57 council did I plan this before I was
55:54 – 56:00 born if I did why in the world did I do
55:57 – 56:03 that and how can I respond to this
56:00 – 56:06 challenge now in a way that brings
56:03 – 56:08 healing and light to myself and the
56:06 – 56:10 other people in my life and those are
56:08 – 56:14 the kinds of questions that the council
56:10 – 56:16 of elders loves to answer right so how
56:14 – 56:18 do people find out more obviously your
56:16 – 56:20 books are probably a starting point but
56:18 – 56:24 also through your website right the
56:20 – 56:26 website is your souls plan com again if
56:24 – 56:28 you go to the books pages in the main
56:26 – 56:32 menu can read parts of the books for
56:28 – 56:34 free if you click on store and then on
56:32 – 56:36 spiritual guidance you’ll see all the
56:34 – 56:38 different types of sessions
56:36 – 56:40 I offer and then if you click on those
56:38 – 56:43 you can read about each individual
56:40 – 56:45 session time awesome well it’s been just
56:43 – 56:48 great having you on again our guest has
56:45 – 56:51 been Robert Schwartz please check out
56:48 – 56:55 his books and his excellent website at
56:51 – 56:60 your soles plan.com Rob thanks again for
56:55 – 57:02 joining me in my pleasure thanks again
56:60 – 57:04 to Rob Schwartzman earning me today on
57:02 – 57:08 skeptic oh the question I tee up from
57:04 – 57:12 this interview is do you believe we plan
57:08 – 57:14 our lives between lives yes no maybe
57:12 – 57:17 sometimes wait take maybe out of there I
57:14 – 57:20 hate maybe yes no sometimes always
57:17 – 57:22 there’s a ton to pull apart here and
57:20 – 57:25 there’s many more questions to ask that
57:22 – 57:26 I didn’t ask so straighten me out tell
57:25 – 57:28 me where I’m wrong point me to other
57:26 – 57:31 people that have investigated this and
57:28 – 57:33 have come to better conclusions by the
57:31 – 57:36 way I feel I can reach out and directly
57:33 – 57:39 ask you to do that because since I put
57:36 – 57:42 the call out a couple of episodes ago so
57:39 – 57:44 many of you have reached out to connect
57:42 – 57:47 with me share your thoughts share your
57:44 – 57:49 comments share your projects it’s so
57:47 – 57:52 gratifying and I don’t want you to stop
57:49 – 57:56 tell me what you think tell me how you
57:52 – 57:59 connect to this information so we you
57:56 – 58:01 and I can better understand why and how
57:59 – 58:05 this magical thing has happened I’m
58:01 – 58:09 sitting here alone in my office talking
58:05 – 58:12 into this mic and somehow you found it
58:09 – 58:14 on the other end and it’s connected with
58:12 – 58:17 you you know I recently had a skeptical
58:14 – 58:19 listener ping me and say hey you know I
58:17 – 58:22 don’t live by you but I’m gonna be in
58:19 – 58:24 your area I’m visiting is there any way
58:22 – 58:26 we could get together for coffee we
58:24 – 58:28 wound up taking a walk on the beach near
58:26 – 58:30 where I live and the first thing he said
58:28 – 58:33 was there’s no one I can talk to about
58:30 – 58:36 this stuff and I said yeah I get it
58:33 – 58:39 there’s no one I can talk to about this
58:36 – 58:43 stuff that’s why I started skeptic oh
58:39 – 58:46 that’s my real story so if you want to
58:43 – 58:48 connect connect skeptical websites get
58:46 – 58:52 to go forum face
58:48 – 58:53 book email connect how that’s going to
58:52 – 58:56 do it for this episode have some good
58:53 – 58:59 ones coming up please stay with me for
58:56 – 59:01 all of that and until next time take
58:59 – 59:06 care bye for now
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