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That’s a clip from the Netflix movie, the social dilemma, Netflix. There’s an irony. And even though that’s probably old news to a lot of people that are listening to this show, It is at the same time, really a controversy and it hard to believe for a lot of other people listen to this show. You know, I started kind of on the frontier science realm of parapsychology and near death experience, all that stuff still have a lot people that I really like and respect friends from those areas of frontier science.

And I talked to those people. And they don’t get it. They don’t understand.

And if you don’t understand that, not withstanding the spin that they give it, which is really kind of sets it off kilter a little bit. Then you probably can’t. Totally wrap your arms. Around this. Today’s guest David Whitehead. And his new documentary series. The cult of the medics. Here’s a clip.

[00:01:35] David Whitehead: We don’t choose a side when, when we’re talking about morals and ethics and, and what’s going on in our society, if you’re in the middle, you’re undecided, if you’re in the middle, you’re in a place and I’m not talking about being in an objective space of a scientific objectivity, where you’re trying to gather all the information.

This is when you have all the information and you still choose to stay in the middle because of this mechanism that we have though, speaking about the sort of a psychological blind.

[00:02:03] Alex Tsakiris: Everybody has an opinion. Everybody has it. No one has it. That’s why no one’s facts are better than anyone.

Else’s facts. It’s all relative. We can all get along. Let’s just all not take a stand on anything. Don’t get too excited.

[00:02:17] David Whitehead: Yeah. Like, okay, here, here’s here’s an example, right? Like, , I tell people that I’ve had many debates with people about the peace people believe evil doesn’t exist. Okay. This is the new trendy thing that evil is just this term that we use and it’s old fashioned and it doesn’t really exist and all of this.

And, , I think it’s a cop-out.

 

[00:02:34] David Whitehead: Not taking a stand for their own, , freedom . That to me is an act of evil against yourself to start with. Right. So forget about the evil done by people, to other people. What about the evil we do to ourselves?

What about the way we abuse ourselves and talk down to ourselves? Sort of the, sort of the inner conspiracy,

 

[00:02:52] David Whitehead: Even though it feels like you’re just being objective and you’re hearing all the sides.

At some point, you do have to make a decision as to what side you’re on.

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David Whitehead is a truth warrior. And he’s caught a terrific new series. The cult of the medics. For some people it’s hard to take.

But as David explains, it’s equally hard to look away.

[00:03:14] David Whitehead: , it’d be nice if we could just point our finger at some bunch of shadowy people doing evil and, and say, Hey, they’re the ones that are responsible for it. And we just purge them and then everything’s good. , but the thing is that evil strikes to the heart of every human.

And so this becomes a metaphysical, a psychological spiritual process, but, , when we ignore the darkness, when we ignore evil, it thrives.

[00:03:35] Alex Tsakiris: , this is a good one. I hope you stick around for my interview with David Whitehead, the truth warrior it’s coming up on skeptical.

Welcome to skeptical where we explore controversial science and spirituality with leading researchers, thinkers, and their critics.

I’m your host, Alex Securus. And today we welcome and welcome back. David Whitehead to skeptical. David is the creator of the way of the truth warrior podcast, one of his many projects, but really, really a good one. If you didn’t hear the last episode, we did check it out and check out this podcast. He’s also the creator of a rather remarkable new, I guess, documentary series.

We should say, cult of the medics. We’re going to talk about that super high production value. Very, very watchable, except it’s pretty heavy stuff, but then we’re in a pretty heavy world. So what are we going to do? Uh, Lot going on up there in Canada. We’re going to want to hear about all of it, but first, just welcome back to skeptical.

Thanks so much for joining me.

[00:04:42] David Whitehead: Hey Alex. So happy to be here, man. I really appreciate what you’re doing. Love your show. And I’m looking forward to this chat.

[00:04:50] Alex Tsakiris: Good. So, you know, there, like I said, there’s kind of so many places that we could begin. Where you’ve gone with. Your show is understandable. Given what’s been going on in the world, particularly with a Corona virus.

And you’ve been kind of on the frontline of that for a long time, but not just someone who’s just kind of rattling off opinions on that, but you’ve interviewed a lot, a lot of top notch, guests, scientists, one after another, and brought them on the show. And you’ve also brought on the show. People who are kind of in the front line in a different way than is being fed to us, you know, but paramedics are saying, Hey, I’m not sure, man.

I think this is bullshit. The Canadian Mounties, bringing them on in the series and going out. We are not down with some of this stuff that’s going on. So I guess one of the, you know, just give us an overview of what’s going on with you in this stuff. And in particular, what I want to drill into a little bit for my audience and for myself, David, is what’s really going on in Canada that we should be aware of because some of this stuff you get into, I kind of worry that you guys are the Canary in the coal mine in a way, you know, and you’re getting hit with some stuff that might be coming down the road for us.

So I know I’ve laid a lot of tail already, but where do you, where do you want to begin?

[00:06:20] David Whitehead: Well, no, this is good. I’m glad. Uh, I’m glad I have an opportunity to sort of break this down. Um, so I’ve been covering this since day one. Well, I’ve been doing my show for since 2007, but, um, I’ve been doing this research into all of the fringe topics that we’re not allowed to look into, um, for probably what 18 years now, actually, no, 19 now time is flying and I’ve been covering for this past two years, this whole pandemic and the, you know, the government policies that started to come in the way the media has been treating this, the censorship that has been going on with top world-renowned experts from all over the world.

Um, and many, many other aspects that really got me thinking, okay, there’s something more going on here. And so I built my platform on the basis of pursuing the truth at all costs. And I don’t pretend to say that I’ve got it. Um, I’m just, uh, an average man that is very curious about these things. And I really feel like we have a lot at stake.

Um, and I’m trying to get through the media. Screen as you were, and this is not just on the news. This is also a social media. I’ve had a pretty much all my mainstream social media accounts banned, um, simply for asking questions, putting up my opinion, interviewing doctors, nurses, paramedics, scientists, um, you know, researchers entertaining different ideas.

Um, you know, not calling for violence, not, uh, you know, doing anything that’s breaking any laws, uh, but just trying to actively pursue the subjects I’m interested in and the topics that I’m concerned about. And so

[00:07:57] Alex Tsakiris: let me, let me jump in there. Cause I always, I always make this point because you know, there’s a lot of normies in my life, in my family and in people I know and business associates and stuff like that.

And even people I’ve interviewed on the show, you know, people from Columbia university, uh, top, top banker in New York, they don’t understand this. They think that’s, they think that’s somebody else is getting banned. They’re not really sure who it is, but they know, they know that it’s somebody who really, really is a bad, bad person who we should not hear from.

And that’s, who’s getting banned. And when I say, no, you don’t get it. This guy, this, this guy got banned for interviewing the vice president of Pfizer, the vice president of Pfizer, or a doctor with a credentials out the Yazoo published in all these peer reviewed papers. Who’s expressing an opinion. He got banned for that.

And I look at, I see the look on their face and they really don’t believe me. I mean, they just flat out. They kind of think you’re not telling me something. There’s something there’s something to that that you’re not telling me. Cause no way people are really getting banned for that. So I want to play a little clip.

The only, the only problem I have with this episode is, uh, you know, the vaccine debate is over. I totally get your point, but like debates are never over. They keep going and there’s more science coming in all the time. And you, you are definitely about that. You are about, give me more science, give me more science, but this was kind of a frustration level.

And it’s just going to jump in the middle, but it’ll give people a sense for the kind of dialogue you’re having.

 

[00:09:44] Alex Tsakiris: Well, if you want to read

[00:09:45] David Whitehead: one particular study on the effectiveness of ivermectin, one particular peer reviewed study

[00:09:51] Alex Tsakiris: on ivermectin or suggest to

[00:09:53] David Whitehead: you in the journal of biomedical research and clinical investigations, deputy speaker study published last year. Now what they did in this study get the speaker.

This was in across four hospitals in

[00:10:06] Alex Tsakiris: Argentina, and they had two groups. They had

[00:10:09] David Whitehead: 407 people, hospitals. Doctors and nurses and

[00:10:14] Alex Tsakiris: Okay. I’m going to cut it off there because I don’t want to play too much into it. This is what you’re going to get from David, uh, partially what you’re going to get, uh, original interviews with experts, clips from people.

I think that guy’s presenting in front of the British parliament. Right. And, uh, and with, but science, I mean, that is very science-y stuff. So I don’t know. I could just go on and on and you, you, it sounds like a rant, but I mean, how has this shit getting banned? How was it? And then the real question I think is not how is this shit getting banned?

Although that gets to what your work is really about is kind of getting, you know, really asking that question. But the first is just letting people know that this kind of stuff is being banned right now. They’re burning the books in the town square right now. And you’re just not aware of it. The people you talk to in your show, they’re aware of it, but most people are just not aware of this.

Do you have any thoughts on.

[00:11:18] David Whitehead: Yeah, that’s, that’s the main place I’m coming from. And just a little bit about the title of that, where I was a tongue in cheek saying, you know, the vaccine debate is over. I was quoting CNN and MSNBC and CDC where they were saying the vaccine debate is over. So I have a little way people that follow my show know that I have, uh, uh, I try to use some humor and, and kind of throw it back in their face and say, okay, you said the vaccine debate is over and then played a couple paid for TV doctors to come on and tell everybody that the vaccine debate is over.

Meanwhile, you’re in a process of actively censoring world renowned experts, epidemiologists, Nobel laureates, award-winning scientists from all over the world that were simply asking questions and raising alarms and asking for these pharmaceutical. Uh, they have a stranglehold over the medical industry to show their receipts, to show their evidence.

And because they didn’t actually do that. And they only said they did it. And they’re only telling the public that they did it. They are now doing independent research and finding all kinds of problems with what we’re being told is the science. Right? And so when I go on and I do my little rants and I play these clips and I try to bring a narrative to people, my job is to keep people in a place where they’re critically thinking.

I’m not telling people, Hey, come on and listen to my show and just blindly trust what I’m saying. I’m just a dude from Canada. That’s been doing my own independent research and I care about what the truth is. And I can see at least I feel like I can see, uh, to a large extent of what I think is really going on.

The opposite of science, right. Because I don’t know. What do you think? Well, this Alex, you’ve, you’ve covered an amazing show for, for years interviewing all kinds of scientists and holding their feet to the fire about what is science and what is not science. But do you know, do you really think that this is science when they’re telling us to just trust it?

Is science something that we trust or is science something that we test? Right. And that’s my question. That’s my argument is science is there’s first of all, there’s no such thing as the science. Okay. The word the must be deleted from that word. It should be disattached forever. Science is a process of investigating forming hypothesis, weighing evidence against the hypothesis, continually testing that hypothesis.

And then when new information comes into that investigation, you are going to alter your hypothesis because the goal. Is to use science as a method to determine the truth, right? So if we’re, if we’re going to go, all right, we’ve done some science, but now we’re going to stop doing that process of science.

And then those other scientists out there that want to continue doing what they all originally thought science was, which is what I’ve just described. And you’re just going to ban them from the conversation completely. And then the media comes in, tells the public who is not involved in the discussion behind the doors or what the real scientists are debating at all.

And tell them the vaccine debate is over. Guys, go get it. It’s 100% safe and effective. And w you know, I’m exaggerating slightly. They keep changing that all the time, but it’s not that far off, because that’s what we’re being told. Is this the only way out it’s, uh, you know, now we’re safe for kids five to 11.

Meanwhile, we’ve got reams of data showing otherwise. And so then the question becomes, is this really about science? Is this really about health or is this about something else? And I think it’s a fair question and I’ve taken my shots at it. I’ve put a mixture, a remix of factual data that anybody can go and look up and vet for themselves.

I’ve put, uh, experts out there so that it’s not just coming from me, some guy doing a podcast. And I’ve also injected my opinion based on my own observations, in my own way of looking at the world. Um, and I asked my audience every time I go on the air to think for themselves, don’t just blindly trust the media.

Don’t just blindly. Trust me. Don’t just blindly trust Alex. Don’t just blindly trust. Anybody, learn to trust your own mind because otherwise, what are we, we’re back to a sort of state of feudalism where everybody was kind of illiterate and had to only learn about. Religion and life from priests who were literate and could read them holy scriptures, um, and then get all the laws from the monarchies, right?

We’re not that far away from that. If you really look at it, we’re actually moving more towards that sort of collectivistic totalitarian way of thinking. And also it seems like as we see all this censorship and all this draconian stuff going on online with them, banning everybody, I mean, even people that don’t cover this stuff are getting banned.

That’s ridiculous. But now that’s starting to leak into a physical space where you’re being banned from entering businesses, unless you can show your health status, which previously was protected under the Nuremberg code and every human rights law in existence as being a doctor patient privilege, uh, where you get to share that information with your doctor, you get to make your own informed decision.

We operate in a world of choices, right? And so what they’ve tried to do to stop the process of people continuing to operate like that is to say, there are no choices, guys. There’s only one way.

[00:16:36] Alex Tsakiris: , let me, let me jump in there for a minute, because part of the problem I think with this dialogue is, uh, people like you and me can easily go down this path because we just follow the evidence. We just follow the trail one step after another, and we can forget what it was like to walk that path.

You’ve been at this for a long time. I’ve been at this for a long time. We can forget how a world shattering paradigm shattering this first step can be. I relate it back to, you know, when I started my show, I had no awareness of conspiracies. I mean, I wasn’t aware of JFK totally off the radar, nine 11, totally off the radar.

I came at this purely from a science standpoint and w what I found was conspiracy. So I was interviewing these guys, these scientists, and they were going, Hey, this is bullshit. This is intentionally deceptive. They didn’t let my paper go through. And it was in a small little corner of the world that didn’t affect anybody.

It was parasitology. And you know, who are we really kind of, are we more than just biological robots thing? Right. So it was an important year, but it was a tiny little area, but I guess I worry sometimes that people hear what you just said, and you just laid out the world and they can’t. All those steps across the pond that, that you and I have walked.

I look at the kind of, uh, science in investigations, critical investigations. I was doing 10 years ago and it was so mild compared to what’s going on now. It was so within the realm of normalcy, you know, a guy trying to get over on somebody, peer reviewed paper, a guy slipping past peer review and getting something in and then a debate on both sides of saying, Hey, you know, that’s not right.

And the, well, okay. I retract that there. We’re trying to stay within some reasonable guidelines, trying to support that. What we kind of have always expected science to beat. And now it just seems to be a freefall, a complete freefall. It is completely not about science. They don’t even pretend it’s about science anymore.

It’s a put your fucking mask on until we tell you to take it off. I don’t care how many studies you have. I don’t care. I’ll show you all my fake studies and you’ll buy it. And the same goes with the vacs. I don’t even, we don’t have enough to get in that, but that’s, I guess what I’m saying, there’s been a shift it’s like amped up times 10 in terms of the disregard for some.

[00:19:21] David Whitehead: Yeah, that’s a, that’s a huge, that’s a very hugely important point. Um, I’ve been thinking about this for a while. We’ve also been covering this on the podcast that I do with Michael, that we’ve had you on. Actually Alex, the unsaved podcast, we’ve been talking about the implosion of the scientific community in the institutions of science that’s been happening for a long time, um, in a lot of different fields and, and your show has been actually really good at getting in.

As, as you said, you started with some of those smaller issues that were just sort of these off the cuff fringe, things that were happening and discussions about paranormal psychology, et cetera. But it, that issue in science has, has cropped up everywhere and it has become the thing that was meant to be against, which was a cult-like mentality or a, a malignant sort of religion that was trying to use an authoritarian censoring, uh, controlling element with.

Um, as well as the corrupted elements of the, of where the funding comes from, who finances, these medical journals, who actually pays for the education of a lot of these doctors and scientists throughout university, what’s the sponsors. You need to follow the money. You look at the big picture and you realize that the scientific establishment as we’ll call it not science as a method, not the real scientists, right?

Who are there are many great and amazing scientists. I just wish the world would listen to, but scientific science as a, as an establishment now has become a cult. And, um, that’s what I’m, I’m I shamelessly call it out for what it is, uh, in the series that you mentioned the cult of the medics. , I have, I did that series.

The first chapter I get into definitions of what is it. Uh, you know, and then compare it to what we’re hearing and seeing right now. , and when they’re rejecting science and they’re censoring scientists, and they’re not like, show me what I want to ask anybody. That’s still, they still think we’re crazy for even questioning this.

Show me where there was public unedited debates between top scientists about these government policies, the masks, these shots, et cetera. Right? All these other people are talking about these alternative therapies, et cetera, where are the actual scientific debates, right? Like we should have already had Dana white from the UFC set up some kind of octagon where he could sit people down and have like Dr.

Anthony Fowchee debate, Dr. Peter Macola or something like that, where we could get it all on the table so that the public can see all of the evidence from both sides and then make up their own mind. That’s how we built a free society. That was the. Have a free society was that we will have differing opinions in this world, in this life.

Um, Alex, I’m sure there’s many things you and I agree on and there’s many things we don’t agree on, but what we do agree on is the freedom to disagree, as long as we’re not hurting anybody. And that’s where they try to bring that debate. Isn’t it as well. If you don’t trust the science, then you’re irresponsible and you’re actually out there hurting people.

And when they can use that as leverage. Without the evidence to back that statement up or without allowing the debates to unfold, that would help clear that question up. Then it, the onus comes back to us as individuals to say, well, if the government is not going to allow for this debate, if the scientific establishment is no longer operating in a scientific manner anymore, um, then that’s, the onus comes back to me, the individual to become my own scientist, to do my own research.

And if the media, if I can’t trust the media, which we could talk for this entire podcast about specific examples of how you should probably question what you’re getting from the media, but let’s just give me the benefit of the doubt on that. If I can’t trust the media and you can’t trust the media, well, who can you trust?

And, and at the end of the day, you’re going to have everybody with every different opinion of matters. And who has to make the decision about how they’re going to live their life and what they’re going to do. Well, it’s you it’s me. It’s the individual has to make that decision at the end of the day, but how can you make that decision if it’s not informed?

Right. And there’s something called informed consent that science, the world of science, especially medical science has suddenly just walked away from after years. Like how many decades have we established that as being imperative? You know, as I keep bringing up the Nuremberg code, just go read the 10 planks, the Nuremberg code that was established after what took place in Nazi Germany.

Right? And the whole point is to establish the idea of bodily autonomy and free choice and consent informed consent based on any kind of medical procedure that’s going to be done to you. And none of those procedures should be done against your will. So if. Going to be, you know, bringing out these so-called laws, which aren’t laws and say their laws and say to people, well, this is the only way that we can get our way, get out of this pandemic.

, and there’s no debate about it. And we’re just going to completely throw your constitutions in the trash bin. Well, that means that, okay, we can’t really fully, just blindly trust the media. We can’t fully blindly trust these institutions of science. We can’t fully blindly trust what we’re being told.

So that means we have to take that responsibility back and become our own scientists, our own, uh, media, our own researchers, our own journalists, because that’s what it takes. And that’s what I did. And when I took that path, I got the biggest wake up call of all about just how bad. Simply because of how I wasn’t just censored.

I was shut down from PayPal. I was shut down from my businesses. I was attacked personally, multiple times the threatened, , the stuff I’ve gone through to go on this journey of trying to find the truth about this and call for open debate about this has been mind blowing. And so that kind of tells me that we now need to start getting into understanding human psychology, the history of many of these.

Uh, of the history. We have to learn the history of science, the history of government, the history of where all this came from, the mistakes that have been done in the past. And then try to find a way to see if we can spot those same patterns happening right now. Because let me tell you if we don’t learn those lessons of history and fully understand them and take back our own minds, , then we’re doomed to repeat them.

Except this time it’ll be on a scale that we can’t even imagine, because what we’re facing right now is not just happening in east Germany. It’s not just happening in Cambodia. It’s not just happening in North Korea or Germany or the Soviet union. This is happening globally. This will affect all of humanity.

It will affect the future of humanity. So the fact that they’re making all these decisions and there’s no debate about it. And it’s, it’s, it smells to high heaven of all kinds of corruption and people aren’t even thinking twice about it. And they’re jumping to the conclusion that people like me are dangerous for questions.

Uh, that brings up some alarm bells. And so my job I feel is to keep doing my work, to combat that and say, no, you don’t have to agree with my assessment, but can we agree that it’s important that we all start thinking again and B be following the actual scientific method to get to the truth because opinions be damned.

Alex opinions don’t mean anything. If they’re wrong, the truth is all that matters. So we should at least be pursuing it and working every single day to try to find it because if we don’t find that truth, uh, then we’re going to be living a lie. And that like lead us to our destruction,

[00:26:48] Alex Tsakiris: Let’s play a little clip

this is from the trailer of cult of the medics.

[00:26:54] David Whitehead: In the early 19 hundreds, he made a very interesting statement. He said, I think we’re property. I should say, we belong to something that something owns this earth, all others warned off. And that all of this has been known perhaps for ages to certain ones upon this earth, a cult or.

Members of which function like bellwethers to the rest of us or as superior slaves or overseers directing us in accordance with instructions received from somewhere else in our mysterious usefulness.

Is there anything to this? Let me tell you a story.

[00:27:35] Alex Tsakiris: Okay. Hopefully I can fix that a little bit. That was a little rough, but, uh, but David, so tell us about this specifically about this documentary series, where it goes. It’s very, I don’t know. It’s tough because I know if I play that, even that opening to a lot of people, I know. They’re going to be one either turned off or too afraid.

And maybe that, where that hits is the same place, because I think a lot of people turn away from this information because it really does strike them on some level that they can’t totally process as probably being true. And that’s super, super scary. So how do you deal with the very unsettling part of this for a lot of people?

[00:28:32] David Whitehead: It’s a good question. I’m glad you asked it. , that first trailer was designed to be a cold shower and there’s a reason I did that. , my work is I, I do my very best to. Uh, present the information in a big picture way that is going to contain some very scary and dark information. However, I never leave you hanging.

I never leave you there. That’s not at all. What my intention is, is to just say, all right, guys, I’ve got a whole bunch of bad news for you. So sit down and grab your popcorn and let’s do this. Uh, my intention is to say, we need to start looking at things differently. Uh, we need to start really analyzing the world in which we live and putting all these what used to be or what most people consider separate threads, separate, uh, completely self-contained subjects.

, and my goal is to try to say what happens when we put all this information together, right? It’s all fun and good to look at one subject over here. One. And then erase it from your memory and then switch to that subject over there and that current event over there and that media media narrative over there, and think of it in a compartmentalized way where it’s separate, what happens when you put it all together?

[00:29:49] Alex Tsakiris: , let’s add some substance there. Like what would be some of the different things that would be in those separate categories? Uh, pharmaceuticals and the profiteering, , the media, , the pop media, uh, lady Gaga, , CNN. So we have all, what are the D so what are I just throw out some, but what are the different threads that you’re attempting to weave together, or at least ask us to weave.

[00:30:16] David Whitehead: Sure. Yeah. Very good. So I would say, let’s start, we start with the medical, what I’m calling the medical industrial complex, right? We’ve we’ve heard about the military industrial complex. , I wasn’t the one that coined that term. Uh, I’ve got mountains of books of, uh, what you could call ex-communicated doctors and medical researchers that call it that the medical industrial complex.

Well, what is that? Well, that is, , a nightmare to real science is what it is. It’s an obscenity where you have very few corporations and institutions and private organizations as well, that are controlling everything you see, hear and read in terms of the media. Those same entities have massive shares and controlling ownership in the medical field, which would encompass the pharmaceutical industry.

Right. , and then that leaks into the universities where scientists and doctors are getting their education. Right. I had a, uh, Dr. Marsha angel, who was formerly the editor of the new England journal of medicine. Uh, she retired and she now does public speaking. She wrote a book where she was basically talking about how pharma has corrupted medical science, and she watched it firsthand, uh, over two decades being one of the chief editors of the new England journal of medicine.

, , hold on. Cause

[00:31:31] Alex Tsakiris: you got so much stuff, but sometimes I think the soundbite bites, people just dismiss them because they sound too fantastic. Again, I’m trying to talk to a different audience right now. It’s not really my audience, my own it’s gets that.

But when I listened to your stuff, I’m like he needs to take a step back. Like what did you learn about what she learned about the new England journal of medicine and how they actually do that? How do they get it? How do they correct? Medical science in that way. Right. Do you remember from the interview?

Cause I remember some of the

[00:32:06] David Whitehead: things. Yeah, no. And I appreciate that. , So, what she learned is that it’s all funded science. , and not that there’s anything wrong with funding science, but the problem is, is where’s the funding coming from. And does that ever end up, uh, conflicting with the process of science, which is what she discovered as being the truth.

And, , I urge people to at least watch that first chapter it’s her section is about halfway through, and she goes through how we’ve had many, many instances where, uh, you know, she gets into representative Billy Townsend, who was this? Uh, I think he was a Republican Senator who was basically paid off by the, in one of the largest amounts by some of these pharmaceutical companies to pass certain bills into law or into, into, uh, put it into Congress and get it passed in order to protect the interests of these pharmaceutical companies.

Who’ve been engaged in fraud, in shredding documents, in silencing, uh, whistleblowers in, , you know, actually being responsible for conducting illegal experimentation. Like in the case of Pfizer, for example, has, you know, they’re guilty of being literally the number one criminal, the top criminal fine in human history was laid on Pfizer, uh, by the state department, , and numerous other fines for, you know, like testing drugs on Nigerian children, without their parents knowledge, there was all kinds of, uh, injuries and deaths as associated with that Nigerian core, the heat, they got brought into Nigerian court and had to settle that case, uh, to the tune of million, hundreds of millions of dollars.

And this has gone on for decades and decades and that’s only one company. , and so, you know, the whole point of her work in so many other, by bringing so many different people into this, to show you that, , we have to really question who we’re trusting right now. And I personally just don’t trust.

People who are, they have a criminal track record. I just can’t blindly trust them that they’re doing honest, you know, well-intentioned work when they continually commit these types of crimes and continually engage in this kind of fraud. So that’s one aspect of what we’re covering in cult of the medics is sort of the modern medical, pharmaceutical complex, uh, the money behind it, uh, my take and some of the experts I bring on their take about what could be possibly motivating that.

Um, and then we also bring in this esoteric side of it into this series, which is this idea of cults. You know, what’s a cult and people might get sort of their hackles up when they hear cult of the medics. What are you, how the hell are you talking about? Aren’t doctors there to do good in the world

[00:34:39] Alex Tsakiris: David, what was it like for you to make that leap for the first time? Because like the greedy part we all get and we all get it on like a personal level, you go to get your car repaired and you go on Yelp and you find a guy who has a bunch of good reviews and you go to them and then you find out all the reviews are fake and he paid a bunch of people to do them.

And he’s really a shyster and he rips you off when we go, dang, I know that stuff happened, but it happened to me. Right? So then you go into medical and then you see, you know, Purdue, or you see Pfizer and you see a pulling off these massive scams, billions of dollars creating, you know, all these drug addicts and people who commit suicide and they don’t give a shit they’re just out for make the money.

And then they interview the VP of sales. And he’s like, I’m sorry, man. I was just trying to, you know, put food on the table and I wanted to get a new BMW for my wife. And we go, you know, that’s a horrible thing you did, but we get it. And then you talk about the cults and we’re like, Whoa. Wait a minute. I didn’t see that one coming.

I mean, I got the greedy guy with the BMW. What’s the cult thing.

[00:35:45] David Whitehead: Yes. And it’s funny, you brought up the car mechanic thing because it wasn’t that one of the arguments that was used to dissuade anybody from questioning doctors or scientists during the pandemic was most people were sort of repeating the media line, which was, well, you’re not a mechanic.

So why would you, uh, why wouldn’t you trust an actual expert that knows how to fix your car? And they’re relating that to trust the science trust the doctors, right? Uh, but then you just brought up an example of how, you know, I’m sure there’s many times where some car mechanics or some, you know, people that work on your car might embellish some of the problems of your vehicle in order to make some more money or, you know, people can relate to that as you’re, as you say, and most people are very comfortable with the idea that this is just all about the pharmaceutical industry and these Vanguard BlackRock, you know, state street, multiple.

Trillion dollar corporations just trying to make more money. I mean, that’s, that’s, that’s gotta be what it’s all about. Right? Well, this serious challenges that, and I tell people I’m like, you could part ways with me on the cult thing, if you want it to, you know, but stay tuned. Um, and we could just keep it where you’re, where you’re at, which is, this is just about some greed.

This is just about some corruption and people just want to make some money and they don’t care about the corners that are causing, right. Or the, the assault on freedom that they’re causing. , but I argue that, you know, just cause I’ve been looking at so many of these different things that that’s really only something that’s put in place, in my opinion, to keep this compartmentalized system running.

You know, a lot of it’s been said that the criminal world, the black market criminal mafia world is run off of black. Right. , you know, which in blackmail would be, they’ve got some dirt on you. And so they use that as leverage to keep you in line. If you ever grow a conscience and decide that you want to say something that you shouldn’t say Geoffrey.

Yeah. Right. Yeah, exactly. And we’ve got, you know, just laying Maxwell’s trial on deck November 29th. So stay tuned for that. And I hope everybody pays just as much attention to that as they did to the collar written house case, but that’s a different subject. , so the way I’m looking at it as this, for people that maybe I know you’re going to people will feel uneasy with what I’m going to say here.

, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t true. And that’s all I have to say about it is, uh, this part of this thesis or this idea that I’m rolling out, um, comes from my personal research for decades. Now I’ve done this since I was very young because I saw cults happening around me. I had some personal experiences growing up and I knew a lot of people growing up and it got my curiosity right away.

Okay. When you look at what a cult is, and I should probably just quickly define it. If you look at a cult, a cult essentially is a group or a movement that’s exhibiting a great or excessive devotion or dedication to some person idea or thing, and employing unethically, manipulative techniques of persuasion and control.

Examples would be isolation from former friends or family, uh, debilitation use of special methods to heightened suggestibility and subservience. There’s your media, a powerful group pressure. Wear the mask or otherwise you’re going to kill everybody, uh, promotion of total dependency on the group for fear of leaving it.

So they’ve got this hole in cults. They play on this tribal instinct that we all have to be accepted by our community. Uh, and it’s designed the cult is designed to advance the goals of the groups, leaders to the actual or possible detriment of the members of. With our community. So, yeah, it’s just a basic definition.

There’s many I I’ve given in the series, I’ve probably given about four or five different definitions of cults. And then we get into the examples of cults, Alex. Okay. So

[00:39:20] Alex Tsakiris: you just made, I think a fantastic point that I try and make with people all the time. Again, people close very, very close to me. And the pushback I get is now, no, that’s not what a cult is.

There’s a specific definition of cult and here’s what it is. And then they’ll go into, cause a lot of psychologists have studied this and they have all this stuff. I think the broader definition that you’re leading us towards is so, so important because as you mentioned, it starts resonating with other mind control techniques that we are accustomed to.

And we see happening right now. And this is what your series does. It draws, it draws our attention to the fact of. Blurry is that line between the, the, the Scientologists that we all can go, you know, those Scientologists they’re in a cult and just what we’re watching on TV and what we’re watching with, put on your fucking mask.

And don’t take it off until we tell you to, and you’re saying, look up guys, that line is a lot more blurry than you think. Right? Isn’t, that’s what I’m getting.

Yeah.

[00:40:27] David Whitehead: That’s a good, that’s a good way of saying it, you know? And, , and actually I would, I would challenge anybody to go and actually look up what a cult definition would be from any dictionary.

It doesn’t matter. You put it up on the, in the lights and you, you look at it. The D this is where we got to get off the white board. So to speak, I call it the whiteboard where we’re all drawing diagrams and theorizing and thinking and calculating, and then making opinions based off whiteboard stuff. I’m a martial artist.

I’m the kind of guy that says, you’ve got to show me. You can’t tell me you can’t just come in here and talk a big game, prove it to me. You know, if you can, if you can demonstrate that you have a superior idea or that mine isn’t correct. I need to know for a fact. So this is where we got to get specific and specific means.

Um, we need to start looking at examples. So you mentioned, uh, you know, one cult, but what about these other cults? Like what about, you know, a great example that I compare in some of these chapters is to what happened in Jonestown with Jim Jones. , you know, you listen to the rhetoric of Jim Jones, you watched some of his sermons.

Um, and just for those who maybe don’t know what I’m talking about, this was basically a cult that was formed by a gentleman who started with sort of a modern Christian. Uh, but it had a lot of, you know, you know, bring the community together. Let’s bring a black man, white man, Asian man altogether. Uh, let’s have kumbaya, let’s create a community, uh, you know, all of that.

It was very socialist kind of minded, uh, concept that went really bad and they all went out to Guyana and, uh, you know, basically made a comment. And just under a thousand people, including their children, uh, drank the Kool-Aid, knowing that they were going to be committed, they were going to commit suicide together and he got them to all commit mass suicide.

And there’s many details to the story. I won’t belabor it. But the example I give is that you had a very charismatic person that had what many people perceive to be a very, um, benign, uh, you know, hopeful, utopian vision. And then it went really, really bad. And that was sort of a microcosmic experiment of what we’ve seen gone on throughout history with many countries and nations trying these types of experiments, where they end up going bad.

And it’s like, wow, that statement of the path to hell is paved with good intentions. You know, it’s got a lot of meaning to it. So then how do we, how do we call that a cult? Well, you’ve got, um, so many elements in it that pull at your, I would call. The naive part of people, right? Um, it’s the good part of people, but goodness, can’t be blind.

Let’s just put it like that. So if you just want to, you know, all those talking points that if you had a Jim Jones up there saying, Hey guys, we’re going to free the world. We’re going to come together and get rid of all of our racial differences and get rid of, uh, racism and sexism and, and homophobia and government control and banker control and church control.

And we’re going to start a new church and a new community, and we’re going to base it off of, you know, you know, the greater good for the greater number. And we’re gonna work together and build this new utopian world. Those are ideals that people will swallow immediately without thinking, because it plays on what I think many of us want, which is we want a better world.

We don’t want a world full of hatred and racism and fighting and, and all these kinds of things. Um, but why does it keep going bad when certain elements start to play in, and that’s where you get into the. The sort of the poison in the pot,

[00:43:54] Alex Tsakiris: hold on because I might tweak that just slightly. And I think this fits in more with what you’re saying, if I can kind of redirect it, you know, it’s not that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I think that’s incorrect. I think the road to hell is paved with the co-opting of good intentions, because that’s what you’re really talking about.

Go exploit people’s natural desire to be good, to connect with that moral imperative that is in their ears. Even when no one was talking to them about religion, they knew what right and wrong was. They knew that, you know, as you said, in San Francisco that the racial divide or the other social divide, they knew it shouldn’t be there.

So let’s go co-op that that’s a mind control technique. But what I think you’re bringing to this that is really powerful is that you don’t have to look for gym. Because fucking Joe Biden, ain’t no coat leader. Nobody’s followed him. Nobody even showed up to his fricking rallies driver, a little car there and sit in the drive.

It know what these guys have done for a long, long time for a long, long, long, long time is they’ve taken the techniques of mind control, which are really what the cult is all about. And they’ve found different ways to, to do it. And that’s what we’re talking about here with, with the mask. The masking is exactly an application of what you’re talking about, but you’d be hard pressed to find the figurehead, you know, the charismatic person is doing that.

Do you get what I’m saying? Do you agree with that? Or you?

[00:45:28] David Whitehead: Yep. Yeah, no, it’s good. Yeah. And I agree. It’s the co-opting of good intentions. I like that. , cause that’s what it is. I wasn’t, uh, you know, that and that people immediately, when you say that word, co-opting, you’re insinuating conspiracy right away.

And that, that very thing. We’ll make people go out. It can’t be, but is it that it can’t be, or is it that we don’t want it to be? And w which one, you know, what, what really matters here? So when we talk about, when we talk about criminal, the criminal history of, of many of these institutions and many of these examples we could bring up, um, there’s nothing but a track record of that throughout history.

Right? And so why we’re still. Naive to, it leads us to the question of psychology, which is why don’t we want to see it, right? Why don’t we want to see the Wolf in sheep’s clothing. If I come out and say, Hey guys, it’s a Wolf in sheep’s clothing, this whole thing they’re telling you, it’s all about their, what do they get?

What are they promising you with this vaccine? They’re promising you the same thing. Religion promised you salvation, eternal life, uh, you know, in this transhumanism stuff as well. They’re promising you very similar things that religions and cults have been promising you for thousands and thousands of years.

And, uh, so when I point that out, It’s a Wolf in sheep’s clothing, just like it has been many, many times before we better start catching on to this trend that keeps happening. , you know, people, they get their hackles up, not because maybe, like you said, on a logical basis, they don’t agree or they can’t obviously see what I’m talking about, but it’s because there’s a part of them that wants to deny that.

And doesn’t want to admit that that level of evil and corruption exists in the world and that’s where we have to have those conversations. So that’s why when I do my work, it’s, it’s partly confrontational, but it’s also, I do bring you background and say, Hey, it’s not all hope. We don’t have to live in fear of all these things, but if we’re not aware that there are, there’s a predatory force on this planet, we’ll call it what you want.

Right. It, it, it shows up in certain people and certain times in history here and there, it’s showing up in probably people, you know, in your friendship circles when you’re saying, Hey, I want to think for myself, maybe I don’t want to wear that mask because I don’t want to inhale my own CO2 and my own microbacteria and I don’t think it really works.

And I think it’s more about, like you said, a form of mind control, um, and getting people into submission and, and bringing on religious. Uh, that’s what I see it as is, you know, this whole, you’ve got to cross the threshold into, you know, target and you have to anoint yourself with the holy oil of the hand sanitizer.

And then you have to Dawn the proper religious garb to go into certain places. And you have to say certain things, you have to believe certain things. And if you speak out of line, you’re ostracized from the community, you’re punished by the new church of the modern world, which is the world health organization, CDC Pfizer, and all this.

, and so you go, well, there’s so many elements. That I’ve just listed that if you really, I’m not speaking hyperbolically you can, you can fact check me on that, that that’s how they’re behaving. And so when I look at examples of Jim Jones, heaven’s gate process, church of the final judgment, uh, the sun, the solar cult of the, of this new Templar order that came out of Montreal back in the day where they had people committing mass, ritualistic suicide, always for some ideal, always for some, you know, higher, uh, way of, of being, you know, creating goodness in the world.

Of course. , and then I started to take it back and go, well, what is this new? Is any of this stuff? New? Uh, what, how, how long has this been going on? Let me play.

[00:48:55] Alex Tsakiris: I want to play the clip of the, oh, this is such an awesome club is totally new to me. , it’s a guy in the 17 hundreds.

He’s a Mason. Shit, the black magicians have co-opted our free Mason society. Let me see if I got it. If not, maybe you can direct me to it.

[00:49:16] David Whitehead: So we could look at one element of what could be called dark or black magic as being the techniques of hypnosis mind control, subversion of another swell

and there’s another thing that comes to mind when I consider this, which is a quote that comes from the duke of Brunswick, who was one of the grand masters of Freemasonry in the 17 hundreds. And he said, I have been convinced that we, as an order have come under the power of some very evil or cult, more profoundly versed in science, both cults and otherwise

[00:49:50] Alex Tsakiris: okay, let me stop it right there. There, there, this is a dense, dense, uh, documentary series. So he’s up to part five, but you could be sitting there taking notes if you’re not aware of this stuff. Like I know a lot of this stuff, I’m getting hit with a bunch of stuff in it and know, and I am scrambling to take notes cause I check people out when they say stuff like that, because good for you.

That one quote right there really. Says so much about w one are our desire to do secret societies for very understandable reasons. You know, you can get MMA secret societies too, and they had them, right? I mean, this is Bruce Lee, right? We, we don’t want to reveal our secret holds because we don’t want the earn our secret moves.

We don’t want those to get out there. And there might even be a good reason for that. But then that secret society aspect can be co-opted can be manipulated and used in these other ways that we’re talking about here. I’m kind of spinning off in a lot of different directions, but pull us back, David, to all of what you’re saying.

[00:51:00] David Whitehead: Yeah. And I’m really, I really liked that clip, uh, put a lot of time into that one because, , you know, I’ve done a lot of this kind of research into secret societies for a long time. Uh, and, and speaking to members within them members, outside of them, researchers, uh, trying to get a peg on it. And we don’t have all the answers because it’s secret, but there are a lot of things that we do know because there’s been whistleblowers and insiders that have been coming out for centuries about this.

And they’re not your local, a guy working at the pub. They are, you know, barons, princes, Dukes, uh, politicians, you know, govern, uh, government officials, military people, medical people. We’ve had insiders coming out to blow the whistle on the fact that their institution has been COVID. Uh, for a long time, you can even think of Benjamin Disraeli the prime minister of England back in the day who came out and blew the whistle about how he’s like, there are very different percentages, personages running the world events behind the scenes that you don’t see and things like this.

And I could go on and on about admissions from the inside about how their institutions were corrupted, you know, the banking industry, et cetera. So, um, what, where did it begin? Where did this movement to bring us to where we are now begin? Well, it didn’t just begin in 2019. You know, went in and started, you know, building this narrative about the pandemic.

Um, it didn’t even begin with nine 11. It didn’t begin with JFK. It didn’t begin with the world wars. It goes way back. And as you said about secrecy, um, there were many good reasons, uh, really good reasons for secret societies. If you think about the oppression of the church, uh, you think about, uh, the, you know, in different invading empire is trying to expand their empire.

Uh, you want to maintain your knowledge. You want to keep that knowledge that, that you have. Uh, protected, you know, from those, uh, Staci police that are going to come knock on your door or those Nazi guards that are gonna come knock on your door. And so you need to hide that knowledge. So there was good, good reasons, and not all masons are bad, many masonry as, as a self, just, it came from a skill of building a knowledge of building.

Um, and there was the masons that built physical cathedrals and structures. And then there were the builders of ideas and philosophies and religions and, and, and entire civilizations. And, um, so, you know, it’s not all bad, but there is a bad element because let me just say this to people. Isn’t the proof in the pudding.

I mean, let’s be honest, just thinking about the medical system I was talking about. We trust these people, but under their watch, we’ve watched a rise in chronic disease and illness. Uh, unlike the world has ever seen before now, someone will come back to me and go, yeah, but we’ve also seen an improvement in life, but there’s a give and take isn’t there.

There’s, it’s not all bad either. The medical system is not all bad. But there’s corrupted elements that have led to a significant amount of death and carnage on the human population that shouldn’t have happened. Right. And so we have to start asking, how did this come to be and why? And so I went into the, I went right into getting into some of the secret society stuff and talking about the Illuminati and everything, because people talk about it now as if it’s some cartoonish fantasy that someone got from a science fiction movie.

When, um, I didn’t just quote, like I didn’t quote some, I didn’t go to conspiracy theory.com and quote some Jacko there. I’m quoting the duke of Brunswick. I’m quoting top, top sources from the inside who were, who were, who actually, he actually continues that quote to call for the disbandment of Freemasons.

Because it was so bad, it got so purged or so infiltrated. And I guess because of the compartmentalized nature of Freemasonry, it was a, and it was very much well loved by the aristocracy and the elites of the time that it became the perfect cover as Albert pike said later on for, uh, hiding the machinations of these criminal operations.

So, um, you know, my thing was well, if that, if this guy’s blowing the whistle on the 17th, And interesting date because you know, America was founded 1776. Uh, so was the Bavarian Illuminati by Adam vice shot, documented, you know, take it go fact-check me. This isn’t conspiracy theory. This was fact, , the debate happens about what’s the intention behind it.

Right. And we know when we’re talking about these secret groups, what’s their intention. And do they still wield power or is it, is it all gone? , well I would just say, look at the proof in the pudding. What kind of a world are we living in? Is the world more healthy now? Is it more free? Is it, is there less debt?

Is there less government control? Is there, uh, more prosperity? Are people living longer? Uh, maybe in some places, yes. But you know these questions, we’ve got to start asking because. Under whose watch

[00:55:41] Alex Tsakiris: is all this happening, but David lot already, who would answer those questions differently than you’re answering them.

I can hear the crowd saying, uh, yes. Are we more prosperous? Yes. Are we living longer? Yes. Is there less violence in the world? In, in, in, in a lot of respects, they would present data to back that up. I almost see it going in a different direction, lady Gaga. And you’re playing these clips of this dark, dark, satanic.

I mean, directly out of the most. Tried and true kind of satanic principles that says there is a darkness. There is a force that is the opposite of good. And it’s been there forever. And these people are seeking a direct connection with that. I don’t think it takes a leap to make that conclusion. It’s obvious they’re rubbing it in your face that they’re doing that.

That to me is really the issue, not counting the bodies this way or that way, not counting the trillions this way or that way. It’s why is lady Gaga dressed in black and then immersed in blood and then with P Y w what is going on there on a spiritual level, which is where you’re taking.

[00:56:58] David Whitehead: Right, right. But they would still come back.

Cause no matter what I say, they’re going to come back with something. Cause they just have to go over to snopes.com and get all the information from them. And then that way they don’t have to really look at it themselves, you know? Um, but they would come back with the lady Gaga, Bengal, but that’s just art, Alex.

That’s just fashion. It’s just expression, uh, you know, expressing the dark side of the human psyche and it’s a healthy thing. And you know, they’re gonna make excuses all along the way. Right.

[00:57:23] Alex Tsakiris: Well, but you don’t really think so. And I don’t really think so either. I think there’s a lot of people David, who are immersed in this darkness and have, uh, sought it for whatever reasons. And we understand that from a deep spiritual level and from a psychological level, there’s reasons why people connect. People are wounded. People feel an energy and a force in them, and it’s somehow connects them to this darkness.

But I think more, there’s a lot of other people who are of the light who are being woken up to this, and they’re shocked because they really haven’t seen it. And they’re really not interested in what Snoop’s has to say, because the first time a film like yours fully confronts them with the facts in the context that you’re doing, they go, oh my God, I didn’t realize that was going on in the same way that like we started this interview when they got.

I didn’t really think a guy who’s just talking to Canadian Mounties was being banned. I didn’t know that was happening. I didn’t know. They were really burning the books in the town square. Do you know what I mean? I, I think a lot of people aren’t really aware of the darkness.

[00:58:34] David Whitehead: They’re not aware, that’s it?

That’s what I’m really trying to say. Here is you have to be aware of that and you have it’s like Solzhenitsyn said, and I quoted him in chapter four. I did a little section dedicated to Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn and he was the author of the Gulag archipelago. And he came to America after the fall of the Soviet union.

He survived the Google eggs in Russia and watched what happened. And they say his book was what contributed to bringing down that system and exposing it to the west. And he came to America and did all kinds of lectures talking about. Uh, warning America that the same force that slowly and methodically took over Russia and turned it into what it was during that time.

Uh, the same signs were showing up in America, back in the sixties and seventies. And so he came in were warning America, both that. And, and, and because, uh, I guess many people didn’t want to hear it. It was too harsh of a reality to accept. Um, you know, a lot of people kind of ignored it. Um, but you know, I say, well, he look at his statement on evil.

He said, and he experienced it. So he should know, uh, you know, it’d be nice if we could just point our finger at some bunch of shadowy people doing evil and, and say, Hey, they’re the ones that are responsible for it. And we just purge them and then everything’s good. And, and while there are those things, , he said, but the thing is that evil strikes to the heart of every human.

And so this becomes a metaphysical, a psychological spiritual process, as you said, that inner alchemy to purge yourself of that and recognize that in yourself and, um, and, and work towards, you know, actualizing your potential and, and, and bettering yourself, et cetera. But, um, when we ignore the darkness, when we ignore evil, it thrives.

And so when we, if I’m bringing attention to ancient cults and secret societies and corruption and medical mafias, and putting it all in a big display and saying, Hey, let’s look at the evil for a second. Let’s look at it just enough. Cause I don’t beat you over the head with it in this series. There’s a lot of footage that I didn’t show because it’s too traumatic.

I try to keep it at a point where I tested it on my wife. I said, Hey, check it out with me. If you feel traumatized, I’m going to switch it. And she would, she never felt that way. She always said I was. Like I, now I know, and, and I feel more empowered afterwards. So that was, that was what I’m hoping for. But, um, yeah, we have to look at Eva.

We have to face. And we have to realize that it does exist and it’s not something that’s just relegated to one group over here. One group over there. It’s something that every human being alive has the potential to become. Um, and it, it it’s. So if we are blind to it happening out in the external world, there’s a good indication.

We’re most likely also blinded to what might be going on inside of each and every one of us. And so this blind spot that we keep seeing in people where I’m like, here’s another example of that. Here’s another example of that. Here’s another example. Could it be that this is something that could be happening now again, and people go, no, no, no.

That’s just a bunch of crazy paranoid schizophrenia stuff. That couldn’t be it. Couldn’t be, um, I always think of that scene of Neo in the matrix when he first learns about the machine world, the first learns about the fact that, um, you know, in the matrix they realize they’re on a farm and they’re being milked like cattle for their essence, and basically put into a transhumanist prison of the mind.

And you know, that that film is more and more turning out to be a documentary and less of a, of an act of a science fiction film. And, um, the reason why is simply because we don’t want to see the Wolf in sheep’s clothing, as I said before, we don’t want to see it. So therefore we go, I don’t want to hear it.

I don’t want to see it. Yeah. I, I approve you to be censored because what you’re saying scares me too. And I it’s making me think too much about, about these things. So I’d rather, you just be pushed to the side so I can keep going on with my inauthentic way of thinking about this. And I mean, it authentic, not as an insult, but as a way of, if you’re not taking in the full equation, then you can’t possibly be in an authentic place in your life and you can’t possibly be rooted and grounded in truth and knowledge.

And so in order to truly go on a path of spiritual awakening, we have to confront evil and that’s the bottom line. And trust me, there’s more than enough. To show you that it exists and that, um, it didn’t go away after world war II and we won some war and then we freed the world forever from tyranny, uh, because lo and behold, look, what’s going on in Austria.

Look, what’s going on in Melbourne Australia, look, what’s going around the world, regardless of anybody’s opinion on vaccines or masks or lockdowns or whatever. Um, there’s more than enough information out there for anybody to get their hands on, to see that tyranny has arisen again. And it only rises in the place where, uh, people forget about history and they pretend that tyranny is not happening.

They pretend that that kind of evil and corruption is not happening if we face it, that’s the cure. And the final statement I’ll put on that was I included a quote in this latest chapter from Vernon Howard, where he made a stunning statement, but I love it so much where he said, uh, you know, the human sickness, he called it human sickness.

That’s how he looked at evil human sickness is so simple. That few, even bear to look at it, but he says those who do look at it will become well. And that’s the sort of school of hard knocks approach. That’s the tough love approach to say. I know you don’t want to look at this. I know you don’t want to know about, uh, you know, blood drinking cults and crazy stuff like that.

I know you don’t want to learn about what went down in the death camps in the concentration camps. I know you don’t want to learn about the history of human sacrifice in every civilization in history. I know you don’t want to learn about the dark side of humanity, but we have to in order to repair the damage and stop it from happening again, on a scale, mind you with all this technology that we’re rolling out that will defy imagination and possibly.

Humanity forever. Like we’re not just talking about a little bit of corruption over here, and a few slaps on the wrist for some pharmaceutical companies over there. We’re talking about, uh, the possibility that freedom, as we know, it will cease to exist. And there’s even the argument that you made that huge humans, as we know them, humanity is going to not exist as it used to exist with all these people calling for this human 2.0, that is basically a cybernetic being.

, so there’s a lot of questions that I bring up. I know it’s heavy, uh, but if you stay to the end of each one of these chapters, I always leave with very empowering information to tell everybody it’s not all over the dark side is not the only show in town. Um, and evil can’t stand a chance against a strong, empowered, informed, uh, populous of people.

, so that’s all we need to do is just face this darkness and then it will be defeated, but if we don’t face it, we lose and it wins.

[01:05:26] Alex Tsakiris: Yeah, that’s one of those. I’m not sure we’re totally in sync on all of that, but I was with you most of the way. I want to pull you to another excellent, excellent episode of your podcast.

One where you went one-on-one with your audience, but you just drew out this great point, which I had kind of known, but completely forgotten. Tell us why the middle is always evil, because I think this is so relevant to again, where the, the normies, the people are outside of the game, just can’t see this until somebody really slept home, which it did.

[01:06:04] David Whitehead: Well, this is a, this is a clip that I did. That was, uh, I was quoting iron Rand and she made this statement and it’s profound, uh, where she said, you know, the middle is always evil. And, and what she’s talking about there is, especially when it comes to, , the way that we choose these songs, we don’t choose a side when, when we’re talking about morals and ethics and, and what’s going on in our society, if you’re in the middle, you’re undecided, if you’re in the middle, you’re in a place and I’m not talking about being in an objective space of a scientific objectivity, where you’re trying to gather all the information.

This is when you have all the information and you still choose to stay in the middle because of this mechanism that we have though, speaking about the sort of a psychological blind.

[01:06:47] Alex Tsakiris: Everybody has an opinion. Everybody has it. No one has it. That’s why no one’s facts are better than anyone.

Else’s facts. It’s all relative. We can all get along. Let’s just all not take a stand on anything. Don’t get too excited.

[01:07:01] David Whitehead: Yeah. Like, okay, here, here’s here’s an example, right? Like, , I tell people that I’ve had many debates with people about the peace people believe evil doesn’t exist. Okay. This is the new trendy thing that evil is just this term that we use and it’s old fashioned and it doesn’t really exist and all of this.

And, , I think it’s a cop-out. And I think if you just look at the word evil, I know it has a lot of religious baggage to it. I don’t use it in that context. I’m using it in the context of just look at the word, the word evil is the word live, spelled backwards. Right. So it is anything that is in the opposition to the process of, of life.

, and it could be psychological life. It could be, you know, the way the government is plundering our bank accounts, economic life. It could be, um, you know, the ignorance factor. So you could say, well, there’s the well-meaning people that they mean well, but maybe they just don’t want to look at that and understand it.

But then that means there’s kind of stuck in the middle in a way. And, and that not taking a stand for their own, um, their own freedom for just as a. That to me is an act of evil against yourself to start with. Right. So forget about the evil done by people, to other people. What about the evil we do to ourselves?

What about the way we abuse ourselves and talk down to ourselves? Um, you know, that kind of an evil is something that we don’t really talk about sort of the, sort of the inner conspiracy,

[01:08:18] Alex Tsakiris: I think your point about the middle is, is really super relevant to that inner dialogue, particularly since in education, you know, I have two daughters who are in college, this is just.

Pushed at every level in every branch of the university that you know, that little voice inside your head mediated, don’t take a stand. Don’t think too much about one way or another. There is what would your show that show really drew me to is how that can be a tool, how that can be a play in the playbook of control is to give, make you feel like the middle is really the only position that any responsible person could occupy.

And if anyone is asking you to take a stand, a moral stand, a legal standard ethical stand, well, then they’re not right, because we should all be in the

[01:09:15] David Whitehead: That’s it? And the idea here is when you’re not taking a stand against something, you personally, let’s not talk about something.

, someone’s trying to convince you to take a stand for something you believe in something that you feel inside yourself. There’s a part of you that wants to be liked by everybody so much, once that once that social approval, uh, doesn’t want the authorization that comes with taking a stand. And that is the reason why you’re not taking a stand that’s the act of what we’re calling evil and sort of a dramatic way, uh, because it, it leads to look at, look.

So look at, let’s just talk about what went down in Germany or pick, pick your totalitarian regime of history. , how many people took that middle ground? Because it was the easier path. Uh, they basically just didn’t want to get, you know, stick their head out so that they got whacked down and therefore the entire country was swept into, uh, totalitarianism.

And that resulted in genocide and all of these different things it’s happened so many times throughout history. And so that’s why it’s that old statement that goes, you know, um, evil only exists because good people do nothing. It’s hinting at the same angle. If we don’t take a stand for, in a moral Stanford, what we truly believe simply because we’re afraid of, of the collective, where we’re afraid of the government, or we’re afraid of censorship or losing our job, um, then that evil will persist that tyranny will continue to grow the only time in history where we’ve even achieved anything close to freedom.

And I don’t even think we’ve even ever really achieved it. We’ve just gotten closer to it. Um, the only time we’ve ever done that is when small groups of individuals decided to take a stand against tyranny, you know, and there’s so many examples in history that you could bring up. And so to stay in the middle, even though it feels like you’re just being objective and you’re hearing all the sides.

At some point, you do have to make a decision as to what side you’re on. So for example, let’s look at this passport issue for a second, right? This whole vaccine passport. And regardless of the vaccine, everybody should make their own decision on that. But the passport that’s where I come in and go, wait a minute.

If we look at what’s going on right now, as I speak in China, what kind of a system that they have of the social credit scores and the, uh, the face scanning biometrics technology, the, that they can, they have whole biometric systems in their classrooms where they can hear students breathing. They can tell how many times they check their phone.

They can tell what they had for breakfast in the morning. They can tell if they’ve smoked a joint, they can tell, uh, where they were and they’ve tracked them top to bottom. Wherever you go. That hyper controlled Tektronix society is what is being planned for the world. And if people think that that’s some kind of.

Theoretical mumble jumbo. Just go read the statements of, you know, close Schwab, the great reset. Go look at what they’re talking about in, in technology, the world of technology, and look at how, what, what technology platform they’re building this passport on, , your freedom as an individual, your privacy as an individual will cease to exist from that moment forward.

[01:12:19] Alex Tsakiris: Hold on. And on the technology part, because it’s an interesting part where we could really have a little bit of a discussion and a little bit of the time we have left, because there is kind of the, the, the ludic factor in the other thing is that you can’t stop this progress.

I’ve had some interviews lately with some of the leading. I interviewed the guy at Google, very high level guy at Google. And in some ways he’s closed down to what’s happening around him and he can’t see it. And he used to work at Twitter, even worse back in the bannings and all that stuff. And he can’t see some of what’s been going on, but it is interesting when you really talk to somebody like that, because you get a sense for the other part of the problem.

And that is scale, you know, like we don’t really want to shut down search and search is at a trillion searches or something. Ridiculous number a day. I mean, AI filtering through yours searches like it does in banning you and demonetizing and shadow banning and all that stuff. You’re never going to stop that.

I’m not sure you even want to shut, stop that because we are still in a geopolitical world. Right. We don’t understand completely how we sit. Vis-a-vis China, where we want to sit vis-a-vis China. I don’t think we want to go there, but do we have people inside our government who are kind of looking out for, well, here’s how we want up China, would that be on the table?

And if you did that and it becomes a war, what do you have in moral? You have lots of different kinds of false maneuvers and stuff like that. So all that stuff could be at play. And the reason I tie it back to the technology part is I think we gotta be really careful about the solutions that we’re looking for, because I don’t think the solutions are too.

Try and slow down technology because I think that’s a losing battle. It just is not going to happen. It’s driven not only by money, but it’s driven by our desire to use this technology. And we are consumers of it and we love it in a lot of ways. So I think the solution has to be more nuanced than, you know, oh my God, don’t do biometrics.

That’s coming neuro link. Hey, again, I have people in my family who have, uh, uh, epilepsy, you know, what would they sign up for neural link if they stopped having seizures? Uh, w who wouldn’t, who wouldn’t, especially if he take some young child, he can always point at those special cases, some young child that’s, you know, having 20 seizures a day, and now Elan comes along too.

Don’t worry, kid. We’ll hook you up to mural Lincoln. There you go. No more Caesar, no more seizures are the parents, but

[01:15:04] David Whitehead: here’s my only thing. And by the way, the reason I was bringing up that example, wasn’t to say, uh, we should go back to living in the jungle or get rid of technology or stop it. It, it it’s, but we have to have an actual discussion about these, a very important discussion.

There is no greater discussion to be had, um, because are we going to lose our humanity in the pursuit of technology? And, and, and is it being sold to us in the initial stages that we find ourselves in. For the purposes of health and bettering people’s lives. When Alvin I’ll rebut that and say, we don’t need neural link to stop seizures.

We’ve got decades of experts that have come out from homeopathic, natural pathic, and even mainstream medical science that have other ways of dealing with that. You don’t need to plant chips in your brain. If you want to do it, you go ahead. But look at what’s going on right now. Do you get to opt out of the vaccine passport?

Right. So the question of freedom is the question here. And the question of who’s running that system is the question here. So I asked the question in chapter five, or I pose the, I pose the statement. Technology can enrich our lives. Right. Technology can free us on so many levels, but technology can also enslave us technology can also make us obsolete.

Right. Which is actually a very vocal concern of even people like Elon Musk, who is the founder of link. And that probably is why he wants to make something like that. Who knows. But, um, do we have to ask these questions right. And in the world where we are right now, with what we’ve seen with the level that the government is willing to give.

To push its narrative, regardless of the fact that they’ve got, you know, a massive, not everybody, but a massive amount of the populous that is not wanting to go along with that. Um, they don’t want to be asked to show their digital papers everywhere they go. They don’t want to be tracked and trace. They don’t want their neighbors calling the police every time they think they’re, they have too many people over for Christmas dinner.

They don’t want to be tracked and surveilled to that degree by these people. These are, we’re dealing with corruption and criminality that I don’t even think people can possibly imagine. And so we separate those discussions, Alex, we set up. The corruption, the tyranny, the evil that I was talking about and all that information I said about cults and secret societies and the infiltrations of governments, et cetera, geopolitical agendas, the control of the monetary system, the control of these industries, just as your, uh, you know, pharmaceutical industry has become very centrally controlled instead of truly a free market enterprise thing.

, you have the same control in Silicon valley, small groups of people that have way too much God-like power on their hands. So in that condition, I’m not personally ready to jump into the transhumanist future with these people at the helm. Um, if we were in a different scenario where. Uh, people in power and people at the helm of these institutions that were truly, they’re trying to make technology in a way where yes, it could liberate us.

Yes. It could help improve our health. Yes. It could take us to the stars, but we’re not going to violate our humanity. We’re not going to violate your freedom. We’re not gonna, uh, you know, create who wants to live like China. Really? Like I speak to people. I’ve interviewed people that have fled from China to come here.

I might as well go back. It’s starting to get more worse here than over there at some cases, right? Because we don’t want, we don’t want, I personally don’t want to live in a world where we have a monolithic centralized system of control that is run by AI. I don’t want to live in that world because, uh, first of all, we’ve never lived it.

We’ve never seen this before. It’s unprecedented. And second of all, I don’t trust the people that build it. They’re known liars and criminals top to bottom fraudsters, opportunists the money involved and not everybody, but I’m talking at the top. Right. And that’s where I have my concerns is who’s running that.

What’s their true agenda. Right? And that’s what we’re going to get through when we get into the series is, is at least my idea of what that could be and, uh, and why we have to, at the very least, you don’t have to agree with me. You might think I’m paranoid, but, uh, at the very least we should question this before we jump into this excitement that we have of becoming super human at the same time of becoming superhuman.

You’re also becoming super controllable and you’re becoming less human in the process, in my opinion.

[01:19:26] Alex Tsakiris: Yeah. That’s a tricky one because then you get into specific cases and, you know, anyways, I’ve, I’ve, I’ve gone down that path because of the medical conditions in my family.

And I don’t think it’s always. Like what you’re saying. There are people who, who suffer greatly and, and can be relieved by a modern medicine.

[01:19:48] David Whitehead: But I think absolutely, absolutely. But there’s, that’s a tricky road we’re going down. It is.

[01:19:52] Alex Tsakiris: I digress. The point I really wanted to make is I think you, you articulated that super well in a way that I haven’t heard many other people say it, which is that, okay, there is the March of progress and we can play around with this myth of progress.

Let’s all go into the forest kind of thing and the noble Savage kind of thing, but that doesn’t really hit most of us where we live. What I think does resonate really well in what you brought forward is I could go along with. As long as we had this other moralistic ethical legal part in place, which we’ve always demanded be in place.

So I see you talking as a philosopher as a true politician in saying, you know, what is for the benefit of the people and the benefit of people is that we locked down that first and we have that in place. And when that goes off kilter, like it is first order of business restore that to its equilibrium.

Before we jump forward with all this technology, which just makes common sense to me. When you say, uh, you know, is that it does that sound paranoid? That sounds the opposite of paranoid.

[01:21:06] David Whitehead: Yeah. Um, I appreciate it. And I, you know, I just think that.

I don’t. I see people getting excited in a way about all of this stuff, without thinking about the other side. And the more mainstream you go, when you get into this whole conversation of technology, the less warnings there are the less critical thinking there is. And that’s a concern because, you know, what are we talking about?

Cybernetics, robotics, robotics, , you know, nanotechnology, we’re messing with a lot of things here that, you know, we’re thinking now that humans are becoming more efficient than the process of nature that brought us into existence. I think that’s a level of arrogance that we need to check before we just jump in and leap forward, always thinking, oh, this is just about, uh, you know, saving people and improving health.

It’s always the sales pitch about health, but that’s look at, they did with this whole lockdown, they gave us the same sales pitch. Hey guys, two weeks to stop the spread, just give up two weeks of your life and we’ll stop this and finish it. Um, and here we are two years later in a world that I don’t think any.

Could possibly imagine would have unfolded. And, uh, that’s in my opinion, what you get when we just blindly go along trusting the mainstream media, trusting these politicians, uh, trusting these quote unquote academics that you know, they’re out there espousing, you know, essentially an idea that to me just has so many correlations to things I’ve heard in the past for many of these different religions and cults and things like that.

So all I’m doing is raising a flag to say, hear me out and then go back and look at what you’ve been looking. And at least you’ve heard the warnings. At least you’ve heard the cautionary warnings. Um, it’d be like, you know, I compare technology to the gun debate actually. I mean, think about it. We’re talking about firearms and the right to defend yourself the right to hunt the right to hold your own firearms and bear arms.

, the government doesn’t think he should have it. Uh, there’s a lot of activist groups that don’t think you should have it. And why don’t they think you should have it? Well, because you know, people could be irresponsible and then you could be arming people that could go out and shoot people and cause damage in the world.

So we should just get rid of it altogether. Uh, and, and then I’m like, but those same people are jumping onto this technology bandwagon without that same caution of going well, are we going to have any way of holding people responsible and liable? Are we going to have any kind of critical thinking before we jump into this?

, you know, so you’re giving someone a firearm or we’re having this debate about whether someone should have the right to own a firearm and use an odd firearm. Well, we’ll have more stricter legislation and make sure they go through training and they go through observation and all of this. But yet we’re not going to apply that to technology and that, and I, and that’s where I’m coming in to go, wait a minute, isn’t there a contradiction there?

Shouldn’t we look at that a little bit more. Um, and, and then, you know, there’s a whole other school of thought about, about that, of course, you know, to bring into the four, but, um, I don’t want to digress too much into that. The point of this whole thing. We’re talking about this, this idea of a cult of the medics.

I want to say a real quick disclaimer, here. I’m not in this series, calling every doctor, every scientist, every medical institution, uh, some, you know, satanic cult, uh, I’m talking about a core, uh, group ideology that is contained within it at the top levels, uh, of the controlling interests of these different organizations.

That’s where I’m going with it. And then I’m also going to the level of, there are a lot of well-meaning people throughout history that have been baptized into different. Using their better nature to do that. Right. And so that’s why we have to look at this and go, let’s try to not, let’s not, let’s look before we leap and let’s, um, you know, maybe look at our own motivations for just buying wholesale, what we’re being sold because in the past, there are many examples where it didn’t really work out very well to say the least.

And so I’m just here to issue the warning. And then once people heard the warning, they can choose to either agree with me or disagree or agree and part doesn’t matter. But I’ll tell you right now, you’re not going to get this particular kind of warning on your media or in a lot of the stuff you’re going to read online.

, and that’s why I tried to make it unique and, , plug in a lot of scholars and thinkers that are far greater than myself, uh, to bring to your attention, to hear their warnings, uh, before we leap into this whole technic Tronic age that we were warned about by, uh, even people like all this Huxley.

[01:25:30] Alex Tsakiris: That’s why you’re the truth warrior. Remember there, that’s why you are the truth warrior. Tell folks, David, you already have in a lot of ways, but what’s coming up in the immediate future for you either through the truth warrior or, you know, a couple of the medics you’re at series five in the series, number five in the series.

How many more do you have to go? What else is coming up for you?

[01:25:54] David Whitehead: Well, I’m going to be starting work this week on chapter six, um, which is just a chapter that I’m calling missing pieces. It’s sort of wrapping up the first five episodes with all the stuff I couldn’t include. You wouldn’t believe the amount of notes and research I have.

Throw out, uh, just cause it would’ve ended up being 10 hour pieces for every chapter. So I’m going to do a, sort of a wrap up episode for the first half of the series. Um, bringing in some of the missing threads I didn’t get to in those other chapters. And then I’ve got 12 of these planned and my goal was 12 chapters.

Um, and you know, we’re going to really start going. If people think the first five chapters were deep, um, you know, the second half is going to go to the next level. And um, you know, so yeah, 12 chapters is the goal. It might even continue past that who knows. It’s kind of taken a life of its own. It’s really starting to pick up, uh, popularity, which I’m happy about.

So I’ll be working on that. I’ll still be running my show, uh, weekly. I’m actually got a show going on. And, uh, and then I’m also working very hard alongside Michael and my colleague on the enslaved project, which is another unique philosophical, uh, project where we’re asking these questions as well. Um, and then I’m also a father and a husband and a, I’m working hard to keep food on the table and, uh, keep working on what I feel I’m here to do.

And, uh, I’m hoping that it at least adds some benefit to people because that’s really what my intention is. So I’ll just be working hard from, uh, from my, my isolated place in China here. And, uh, and hopefully we can get back to a point where we can travel again, because I’d like to also get into some real documentary filmmaking where I’m on the ground and making this a level of production that I think it deserves.

So that would be the ultimate goal. But for now, um, that’s what I’ve got on.

[01:27:45] Alex Tsakiris: It’s a lot, man. It, and it’s fantastic. You know, I, I popped back into your world here and I was kind of blown away with all the stuff that was going on. Cause I wasn’t fully aware of it. But now I have a bunch of episodes of yours that I missed cued up.

Fantastic stuff. I haven’t made it through all the chapters, but they’re really great in the way that you’ve done it. Video wise it’s high, high quality stuff. I don’t need to sell it anymore, but check it out. The truth is, is at the core of what David’s all about.

And man, that just speaks to all of us, gets to our heart because we know that’s what we have to follow. If we’re going to find our personal way out of it or our collective way out of it, it’s always going to be connected with the truth. So buddy, fantastic having you back on. Thank you. Thank you so much for joining me here on skeptical.

[01:28:39] David Whitehead: Thank you Al. And Hey, thank you so much too, for bringing me on. Thank you for challenging me. Thank you for asking these questions. , I truly love what you do with your show it’s needed and thank you for being an objective voice for reason. Uh, we need it now more than ever, and I encourage people to continue to support your show as well. So thank you so much, Alex. Much. Appreciate.

[01:28:59] Alex Tsakiris: Thanks again to David Whitehead for joining me today on skeptical.

The one question I tee up from this interview is what do you think about the co-opting thing? What are the new pieces of information I got out of this? And that’s what I’m about is fine. And the new information is the guy that Mason guy in the 17th century to.

We’ve been co-opted by these Satanists by the black magic, by the dark forces. Dang. I think, where do you go with that? If that doesn’t send your head spinning. I don’t know. I just don’t totally get how you’re processing this stuff, because it does me, it raises a million other questions that I would have liked to have asked, but there’s only so much time in each one of these shows. So. Let’s do it offline. Track me down. Let me know what you think. Let’s start a dialogue. Let’s be skipped a co and all that means and inquiry to perpetuate doubt.

So, let me know, reach out, connect until next time. Take care and bye for now.

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