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Audio Clip: [00:00:04] The story of Jesus is the greatest story ever told, that helped shape Western culture, teacher, leader, saviour.

Alex Tsakiris: [00:00:19] Okay, enough of that. That’s from the History Channel. It’s a documentary, of course on Jesus, they run it every year around Easter and it’s a way to try and attach some history to the whole Jesus thing in a way that really isn’t very historical. And that whole topic is particularly relevant today’s show. I mean, that’s what today’s show was about. I have a Christian history’s Smackdown with a guy I really like and respect. Attorney turned author and investigative researcher, journalist, William Ramsay, who was nice enough to kind of indulge me in this dialogue about this history. Here’s a clip.

Audio Clip: [00:01:10] The most quoted and referenced Christian thinker who knew Peter and all those other people, right? So that’s also another kind of problem with the Josephus kind of view. The gospels being you know, pure political document. But there’s other elements within Christianity that don’t comport with the kind of superficial surface, kind of generalized doctrines that Christians and non Christians perceive as being what Christianity is about.

Alex Tsakiris: [00:01:42] Yeah I just, that winds up sounding a lot like gobbledygook to me. I mean there is no, just because there is no, you know, you can cherry pick out of Paul and cherry pick out of Buddha and I mean again, the part about Christianity that I think a lot of us sit back and go, how are you even processing that is to say, there’s this special time 2000 years ago, well what about all the people that came before? Welcome to Skeptiko, where we explore controversial science and spirituality with leading researchers, thinkers and their critics. I’m your host, Alex Tsakiris. Today we welcome William Ramsay back to Skeptiko. William is an attorney, researcher, and author and the creator of William Ramsay Investigates, which I think is fantastic. It’s one of my go to podcasts that I always listened to and William was on a while back and we had just a great conversation. I learned so much and if you know this show, you know one of the things that’s really influenced me on, is this kind of deeper understanding of what’s going on in this crossover, a cult reality, Hollywood wink nod, and conflicting that or contrasting that I should say, with kind of the atheistic, secular, wokeness, well none of that stuff could be true. So we had this super interesting conversation last time and the books that he’s written, Children of The Beast, his book about Alistair Crowley, abomination about the West Memphis three, which is really kind of an interesting dive and especially since so many people just don’t know the facts of that case but you do now that I’ve hammered on them for so many times, and then the prophet of evil Alister Crowley, 911 and the New World Order. Is there anything else that you’ve written since then?

William Ramsey: [00:03:45] Well I’ve done a lot of kind of letters you can see it on my blog. On my website, I’ve talked a lot about this group called The Order of Nine Angles, so more kind of occultism. And so some interesting topics…

Alex Tsakiris: [00:03:58] Is that gonna make its way into a book, is that an upcoming book or anything?

William Ramsey: [00:04:02] Well maybe. I mean, I think there’s a lot going on, there’s actually been the NCTC, the National Counterterrorism Center put out a flyer saying that The Order Nine Angles, very dangerous group and some of their offsheets have been prescribed. It just happened last week in Australia, where Sonnen Creek Division, which has been influenced by some of their ideology, was actually banned as a group in Australia. So they have like 16 band groups and then Sonic Creek Division, which is kind of esoteric or co Neo Nazi. So yeah, The Order of Nine Angles is a pretty interesting post Croley, post Hitler kind of new religion. So I’ve kind of been researching that and writing about that and I’ve done some interviews about that as well.

Alex Tsakiris: [00:04:52] I’ve heard a couple of your interviews on that. It’s you know, super interesting at one level and in another level, and what I was hoping to do this interview is kind of crawl way up on top of all that stuff if we can, because that’s what really interests me is how does this stuff really fit together? And you know, let me back up and actually say one other thing, because the reason I wanted to talk to you about the really big picture stuff, is I wanted to approach the Christian part of this. And I want to do it in a way that kind of appeals to this kind of attorney, better call Saul sensibility, if you will, that I get from you you know. Like you can talk about all this stuff, like last time we talked about West Memphis three and you didn’t get emotional, like pounding on the table and you know, swinging a Bible around or anything like that, you’re just like, hey, I’ve seen a lot of stuff. I know a lot of stuff happens. Here’s how the facts fall in this case. And you know, what I do with it is kind of another issue but I can separate that from just kind of understanding, do you can I mean, that Better Call Saul?

William Ramsey: [00:06:08] I think so. I think that you know, my look into the West Memphis three, that what sparked my interest was that cruelty was brought up at trial, right? So I’d already written a book about, basically a bio about Cruelly, which is Profit of Evil. He thought of himself as a prophet of New Age, so when Cruelly popped up, then it was kind of like a riddle wrapped in Enigma in the middle of a labyrinth trying to figure out what the actual truth of what happened in the West Memphis three actually was. And luckily all of those court cases are available online so I could readily access them and that the general consensus was that they were railroaded and they were three innocent kids and there was kind of like nice sound bites and PR tidbits for the public to ingest. And I believed it for me, when I first heard they got out and it’s almost been 10 years, I figured that there was just some kind of mistrial or some kind of problem with the case that necessitated their release. But that wasn’t the case of then it was like a lot of it. Then it was like a lot of head scratching to try to figure out what was going on with that case. In my position, opinion of that case and the conclusions that I made are definitely not publicly popular you know. I think that they’re, never ended. And like many other stories, or many other things that happened in the world that kind of darker and deeper elements of that were overlooked and not emphasized in the media, or by the corporate media or anything like that. And I think that that’s actually very common in all of their kind of superficial analysis of a lot of public problems and issues and 911’s a perfect example of that, is not looking into deeper things. So from, if you want to get into the Christian perspective, I think it’s important to kind of parse through my version of Christianity, which is really a Bible Christian. I don’t call myself a Protestant or Catholic. But some people would put one, and put me in those two groups but as a Bible believing Christian, I think that you have to kind, yeah, I think it’s easier to see kind of darker or be more attuned to picking up darker currents in criminal events, or just general political events. So I mean, we can talk about the 2020 election and problems with that. I mean, so from a Christian perspective, I think that it is definitely spiritual perspective. I think that it makes you more attuned to kind of parse out these things that really are real. Some of the who do believe analysis are the people are masons, people have secret agendas. There are conspiracies. I mean all politics is conspiratorial, I would argue from the beginning of time in any society. So yeah, so I mean, I think that that’s really kind of the gist of my books, really. And if you look at Children of The Beast too, that really was an attempt to take a very broad angle lens at political cultural events and see, hey, some of these people have cold ideas. Some of these people are promoting whatever they’re cold kind of outlook is in in the public, Timothy Leary cruelly himself. So I hope that kind of answers what you’re trying to get at.

Alex Tsakiris: [00:08:37] It maybe does and it may be opens up the door for this kind of next level stuff that we might talk about, because when I said this, Jimmy McGill better call Saul sensibility. What I think about, if people don’t have a reference point for that Netflix series, then you might be lost in this whole kind of thing. But I just have to believe when I first talked to you you know, you talked about your history as an attorney coming up in DC. Just being eyes wide open to kind of thing where it’s like, oh wow you know, there’s this whole other reality of how things really work. And all these people that I’m working with are kind of living in both realities. They’re living in the reality of how politics is really pero politics. It’s all conspiratorial. It’s all you know, who’s blackmailing who? Who has the goods on who? who has leverage on who? And then…

William Ramsey: [00:10:30] He’s an agent, right?

Alex Tsakiris: [00:10:31] Yeah.

William Ramsey: [00:10:32] A member of a secret societies secret group.

Alex Tsakiris: [00:10:35] Absolutely. So they’re living in that reality and then they’re simultaneously living in this other reality which is, all the normies, and normies just didn’t happen in the last 10 years, normies have been around forever. So when he went home and he kissed the wife and you know, went out and played ball with the kids, you don’t talk about any of that stuff. You don’t talk about any of that stuff with 90% of the people you know. If you’re an insider in DC, and I think the reason I brought Vincent back to Better Call Saul is we kind of get that same thing from kind of Jimmy McGill, who’s just, I relate from being you know, a kid from Chicago and in Chicago you want to be a sharp guy you know, you don’t want to be a chump, you don’t want to be a fool. And that was part of less like, of course this is how things work, of course the political system is corrupt. Everyone in Chicago knows that. You know, Richard J. Daley electing you know, John Kennedy, of course, of course, the entire police system is corrupt. I mean, anyone who didn’t know that in Chicago… well, there were a lot of people that didn’t know it, but there were just kind of on the outside. So you get what I’m saying in terms of that sensibility and you bring that to the table and, but then there’s a couple of different ways to divide that. So you know, when you’re talking about just stuff that happens, it’s 911, or the 2020 election, the pandemic and all that sort of thing. Okay, but then you’re also breaking it down on the spiritual side, which is where I think it’s kind of harder for a lot of us, when we encounter, when you say, I’m a Christian or I’m not Catholic Protestant, I’m just Bible but it’s like, whoa wait a minute, Isn’t that the same kind of thing in terms of how are you parsing…

William Ramsey: [00:12:28] No.

Alex Tsakiris: [00: 12:28] …That reality?

William Ramsey: [00:12:30] Right, no I mean, it’s a good question. I think it’s, once you’re even within Christian dome, it’s like what are you like what, how much do you read? How much have you read? What books are you reading? What’s your denomination? You know, you can say that there’s four or five major Christian denominations. So…

Alex Tsakiris: [00:12:51] There’s only one, it all started from one.

William Ramsey: [00:12:54] Right, well this is true, but there’s definitely branches. I think in almost any major religion, even Judaism, which is fairly small compared to Catholic you know, Christian, the large broad set of Christianity or Islam all have variants and distinctions and Shia and Sunni. Christianity is Catholic and Protestant is very general level. So it’s really what you believe what are these people teaching you or do you go back to the original text? And I think that that’s really the key element to really understand Christianity is really to go to the original gospels, the four, the three…

Alex Tsakiris: [00:13:29] There are no original gospel’s. I mean, if we just look from a straight up historical standpoint and that’s where I’m saying, it’s like what are you gonna do, go back to the Council of Nicea and Constantine, who is one of the most corrupt despicable people in history you know, he murders his son because he thinks he’s fucking his wife and then he murders his wife when he finds out, she was setting, I mean this is…

William Ramsey: [00: 13:56] Yeah, he’s a very opportunistic Christian right?

Alex Tsakiris: [00:13:58] No he’s not a Christian.

William Ramsey: [00:14:00] Very political, that’s what he came out as. I mean, he’s supposed to be a founder of the Christian church or like one of the original…

Alex Tsakiris: [00:14:07] Well no, he’s not William, he’s not I mean, any kind of fair reading of that history. He never really changes his kind of cultish, pagan you know, I mean, he still has it on the coins and he’s still, it’s just looks like a total sham. The part of that history that I don’t understand that Christians don’t get is that we’re all living, rich, complicated, spiritual lives. And they show up all over the place for Damien Echols from West Memphis three. We don’t know what his deal is but we know he has a rich spiritual life and he’s trying to connect with Alistair Crowley and demons and this and that, but he probably is also waking up at two o’clock in the morning going, Oh my God you know, what does this do to my soul? Because everyone has those same kind of questions. Constantine certainly doesn’t look like St. Constantine, looks like a very human guy you know, who’s worried about his wife fucking around worried about his son fucking around, I mean he doesn’t look like he’s had some great spiritual experience with Jesus to me.

William Ramsey: [00:15:17] Well, he might. But I mean, at least the the common historical story is that he was going into battle and then…

Alex Tsakiris: [00:15:24] It’s bullshit

William Ramsey: [00:15:24] You know change. Well that’s what I’m saying, well at least that is the story, that is how he became a Christian so therefore, he was one of the founders of that, at least the 3001 of the political founders of Christianity. But I don’t see him as like a great religious figure now, like maybe some of these other posts, like Paul for example. But at least that’s the way he’s regarded I think, public Constantine, but I like I agree, I think that he, there’s tons of people who say they’re Christians, you pray without adhering to the fundamental tenets and that’s the same from all religions. I would actually posit and argue that a lot of these political elites in the United States for sure, these guys who were the presidents, they just give lip service to Christianity, they don’t really believe it.

Alex Tsakiris: [00:16:16] They shouldn’t believe it because it’s not real. It’s just something that was invented.

William Ramsey: [00:16:21] Okay well, that’s your opinion. So you think that the Gospels themselves were something written by what Flavien or some kind of… that’s the argument.

Alex Tsakiris: [00:16:29] Here’s where I’m coming at from that is like, I come at it back to where we started. Like you know, you want to you don’t want to be a chump, right? That’s the Better Call Saul sensibility. So when somebody tells you you know, hey those guys in West Memphis three, they’re really great guys who just got railroaded out of town for wearing black t shirts. And then you read in and you come across the data one after another after another and you start putting the pieces together you go, well that’s just bullshit. I don’t know what the truth is. Like I’m saying, I don’t know what Damien Echols spiritual experience, spiritual reality is

William Ramsey: [00: 17:14] Right.

Alex Tsakiris: [00:17:15]

But I’m pretty sure it ain’t what he said it is. So that’s where I come at it from.

William Ramsey: [00:17:22] Sure so I think you’re trying to make an analogy between the perception of reality based upon what people have about Damien Echols and then about Christianity. So like you’re making a claim to not be a chump in believing Christianity is that correct?

Alex Tsakiris: [00:17:40] Where I was really going was, so if you don’t want to be a chump, then where do you start? You know and like one of the places I’d start is like that history that I just said, for any Christian who can’t resolve that history you know, full stop, you better go figure out what the fuck why you believe in this church that was founded by Constantine, when Constantine was this kind of despicable mover and shaker kind of total agent of some kind of cult thing. So that…

William Ramsey: [00:18:11] Hey, you can go through the history of Christianity, the same thing, we get the catholic church or Alexander the same…

Alex Tsakiris: [00:18:17] I’m just saying…

William Ramsey: [00:18:18] The votes are not clean

Alex Tsakiris: [00:18:20] Right, right. So I’m just saying, as a Christian, as a Christian I would think that would be something because I was brought up Christian, I was brought up Greek Orthodox like, so a lot of people brought up in the church and then they start running into these kinds of things, and they feel a need to resolve them. But the other wait, so that’s one thing I think you have to, as a Christian, you have to resolve the history and the history is irresolvable. I mean, you can’t jump…

William Ramsey: [00:18:48] Right it’s true but you have to look at it, no question. I don’t think there’s any doubt about that.

Alex Tsakiris: [00: 18:53] So then…

William Ramsey: [00:18:54] Even the Crusades are loaded you know, the Crusades are loaded with tons of problems. There were real mind… the Crusades I think the last Crusade was really kind of a population control crusade where they wanted to take the excess population out of Europe and ship them out somewhere. So they took all the poor people and got rid of them. So what it really wasn’t really even have anything to do with Mamath or the Muslims. So there’s a lot of things within Christian, I mean you can look at the 100 Year War between the Protestants and the Catholics are just some of the most brutal non Christian conflicts ever. And tons of you know, reasons for the creation of the United States and all this other stuff, a lot of what came out of these cons conflicts within these churches. So there’s a lot of problems and a lot of Christian problems like justifications for racism, slavery, are the people that reference the Bible. So there’s a lot of problems there. It doesn’t, I think you can differentiate it from the original texts and the original gospels but some people can’t, I don’t have a problem doing that. I mean, I think that that’s really it. So some people can apply it to me or just general Christians. Look what the Catholic Church has done, if you reject that then how can that affect your concept of the original you know, gospel texts?

Alex Tsakiris: [00:20:14] Well because I mean, the argument and then we can let it go because there’s other more interesting stuff to talk about is, there is no original.

William Ramsey: [00:20:24] Well, that’s where you and I are…

Alex Tsakiris: [00:20:25] You can’t even, I mean that’s, I don’t know how you can argue that. I mean, again…

William Ramsey: [00:20:33] Here’s another thing, if you want to look at history, we know that I think was it Eusebius knew somebody who knew Peter in Rome. So these people who have met Paul there in the history texts, these are legit history texts, that people knew these people existed. And these are outside of apocryphal texts, these are like legit, biblical texts. So I think that kind of the idea that the gospels were invented 2000 years out of old cloth, have a lot of problems and also, there’s tons of…

Alex Tsakiris: [00: 21:03] I’m not saying that, I’m not saying the gospel was not created out of old cloth. I mean, what it looks like, I mean what do you do with the knock Hammadi library? I mean, you just can’t resolve that with quote, unquote, the Gospels right? Because what you have is this, all this collection of writings and all these different translations and all these different historical accounts, without even getting into the problem of Josephus you know, which is enormous because he’s just completely a propaganda agent for the Romans. So you just look at that I’m saying from a big picture, you just step back and you say okay, there’s some history there. But I cannot…

William Ramsey: [00: 21:48] Josephus isn’t the only history. So I mean, if you’re looking through it through the lens of merely Josephus, who actually had a kind of admirable reference, I think one full paragraph about Jesus, about is a miracle worker and a great man.

Alex Tsakiris: [00: 22:01] Yeah, that’s absolutely, that reference is absolutely inconsistent with the body of his you know…

William Ramsey: [00: 22:08] I agree with that, that actually stands out, it’s like an aside, his real interest is the history of the Jews and if I mean…

Alex Tsakiris: [00:22:10] So it was probably an interpolation, it was probably something later on that someone added in because Josephus was the guy, so let’s have him say this stuff about Jesus. I mean, that’s the natural conclusion. I guess, if you’re going to be at all, if you’re going to be sharp Better Call Saul guy, you’re going to be hey maybe…

William Ramsey: [00:22:35] I don’t think so, I don’t agree with you. I don’t agree with you at all. I think that you’re saying that some, you’re just assuming that somebody in history went in and re edited Josephus text?

Alex Tsakiris: [00:22:46] That’s the general consensus among people who…

William Ramsey: [00:22:49] Well general consensus of who?

Alex Tsakiris: [00: 22:51] Of people who’ve really, well again so look, like I’m saying we can’t argue that people argue that all the time and get to, what I’m just saying is from a this is how the world works, it’s conspiratorial standpoint. To me, that’s not even a hard one because you look at all of Josephus writings, they would all be completely inconsistent with that one paragraph, that one paragraph, if you wrote that, you could throw out the 1000 pages that he wrote.

William Ramsey: [00:23:23] Well I disagree with that too, because he wrote the history of the Jews, which a lot of it’s very consistent with Old Testament history. And they talked a lot about people who we know from history, all the Roman emperors and was it… who was it, who was the flavorings? It was Titus and his father…

Alex Tsakiris: [00:23:44] It was the Spacian, Titus and then domitian and yeah.

William Ramsey: [00:23:51] Right but I mean you have all that stuff earlier, I mean they found, I think they’ve even found punches pilots in Latin in somewhere in Judeaus so I mean, there’s differences there, they keep popping up that kind of verify some of that story that’s told in the gospels, right.

Alex Tsakiris:[00:24:12] Yeah but it’s, I mean again, if you don’t see Josephus as completely a propaganda agent for the Romans you just haven’t read Josephus, because like when I said…

William Ramsey: [00:24:26] Well I have read Josephus,I’ve actually recorded some stuff…

Alex Tsakiris: [00:24:30] I know.

William Ramsey: [00:24:31] But I don’t see him. He’s obviously a house flavian like his dad, he’s part of that dynasty, of course, he’s going to tell the story of the Romans from the Roman perspective. He actually I mean, do you think that like, what he retells of him giving a speech to the Jerusalem inhabitants who have been captured with by the Romans by a huge you know, blockade. Do you think that that’s all Fake?

Alex Tsakiris: [00:53:28] And that’s what I mean my read of all that is, yeah a lot of it came before him too. There’s nothing super special about I mean, Jesus as those teachings come through our truths are spiritual truths. And they were always accessible to everyone throughout time because we all have…we all have a rich spiritual experience. We all have a connection with the divine. We can all know what the truth is, everyone throughout time, 50,000 years ago an aborigine on the plains of Australia could access the same truths, but they could also access the same, It seems like and we don’t understand any of this stuff and I’m not claiming I’m doing it’s just my conclusion. But they could also access some of the not so great things you know, and not to zoom is on the hill and he’s tearing the hearts out of people. Right. That’s before Jesus, but he’s still tapping into that satanic energy that says, destroy, conquer dominate.

William Ramsey: [00:54:33] Right, good point, absolutely.

Alex Tsakiris: [00: 54:36] Okay man totally. You’ve undergone the grilling at night, I’m kidding. I appreciate it, I don’t hear these conversations enough.

William Ramsey: [00:54:44] Well let’s do it again. Let’s talk more about, I will come back with greater proofs that, I need to look at the historical proofs for things like that, but the thing that differentiates Christ’s teachings from even the other so called Great you know, teachers of wisdom teachers, whether it’s you know, the Buddha, Muhammad supposedly, what was the guy who started the roster? You know some of these other teachers, even Moses.

Alex Tsakiris: [00: 55:17] Yeah, but I mean, I think really ultimately, if you do agree with that last thing that I said and sounds like he genuinely did, there’s really nothing more to talk about. I mean, it’s like the truth is there, the truth is available to everybody. The truth is certainly available through Jesus Christ, what I call Christ consciousness. Anyone can access it, it’s not, doesn’t need to be filtered through some book, if you pray to Jesus, chant the statistics show four to five people who genuinely pray for help from for Jesus to do good things you know, their answer, their prayers are answered. And you can do good things, you can be a good person you know it’s not, and you can be an evil person too. And it doesn’t depend on what you read or anything like that. It’s like you know, what to do and what not to do? I don’t know, it doesn’t seem that complicated to me.

William Ramsey: [00:56:10] It’s not I’m thinking when you really parse it down, It’s not that complicated. There really isn’t that complicated. People make it over overly complicated, It’s very simple. Very simple doctrines.

Alex Tsakiris: [00:56:21] Yeah, everyone should tell the truth.

William Ramsey: [00:56:24] Right. That’s basically it. I mean, everything that the law and profits are based upon loving your fellow man and loving God, that’s it, it was all Christ just distilled it down into two simple principles, right? Yeah so I mean, why you don’t have to overthink it, then you can just build on that you can talk about first Corinthians, what is love, you can talk about these other explanations of the proper behavior for the individual. But I mean, I just don’t see, I guess the real distinction in like, the Christian view is the primacy of Christianity overall. Like it’s the pearl of great price and I think that people outside of Christianity have a real problem with that they have a much I mean, I would think that they have there’s more paths to God was like Christ says on the way, the truth and the light. So I think that that’s really a lot of the people who are outside of that very, very, very wide 10th of Christianity really have a problem.

Alex Tsakiris: [00:57:25] Well, you could turn it around and say, I think that’s the problem that Christians have right? I mean, if you’re a Christian and you can’t see that there’s unlimited paths to God then I don’t know how you’re reading the data. It’s back like I just don’t like say go read the near death experience accounts and go tell me those people aren’t having genuine spiritual experiences.

William Ramsey: [00:57:53] I would say off the top that they are having genuine spiritual …

Alex Tsakiris: [00:57:56] If they’re and then they’re a lot but like I’ve interviewed like, I’ve interviewed a ton of people I’ve one guy interviewed was that in McCormick and he had an unbelievable near death experience. I mean this guy was dead for like, he was in the morgue In this little island you know, his swimming, got stung by boxfish, deadly and he was in their little makeshift more for like seven hours, he had this experience and he saw Jesus Christ consciousness, fantastic. But he comes back, he goes around to churches all over the world says, hey near death experience is real. There’s an afterlife but let me tell you if you don’t see Jesus you didn’t really have one. It was Satan faking you. That’s like, Fuck you and you’re so full of shit. That’s just a stupid interpretation of the data. It’s just as crazy and as cultish. As you know, Damien Echols sitting around thinking that you know, that the Antichrist is the way to go for it you know, it’s just stupid. And that’s what gets me about the Christian thing, if you can’t see that it’s all about love everyone to tell the truth, so oh, of course, anyone can get there by doing that then I don’t know what game you’re playing. If you think it’s exclusive I don’t know how you fit that with the data?

William Ramsey: [00:59:09] Yeah I don’t know, I don’t think that, yeah I think it within Christianity, or you know, the view is, is that the people outside of it are going to obtain the same blessings and benefits of being inside that wide tent…

Alex Tsakiris: [00:59:28] But that’s silly.

William Ramsey: [00:59:31] Right. I mean, look at all the people who lived and passed away prior to the advent of Christ and look at how many people have not heard the gospel. It’s hard for me to believe that there’s no, it’s hard for me to believe that those people are, there’s not some kind of spiritual address from them, from God.

Alex Tsakiris: [00:59:54] William what’s coming up for you? What are you gonna, what are you doing?

William Ramsey: [00:59:58] I’ve just finished, I’m just exhausted I’ve been working on a project so I’m hoping to get it done within the next week, but…

Alex Tsakiris: [01:00:06] William Ramsay investigates project or some other…

William Ramsey: [01:00:09] Yes, yeah. well a good proper 400 page book.

Alex Tsakiris: [01:00:12] Really? See I pumped you at the beginning for what book you’re working on you really keep it under your hat that much.

William Ramsey: [01:00:19] You have to, you have to.

Alex Tsakiris: [01:00:22] Why do you have to cause of your publisher? Your publisher requires …

William Ramsey: [0 1:00:26] No, no. There’s all kinds of problems, people steal your ideas and there’s people create stuff…

Alex Tsakiris: [01:00:30] Really?

William Ramsey: [01:00:31] Oh yeah.

Alex Tsakiris: [01:00:33] Very cool.

William Ramsey: [01:00:34] I’ll tell you stories…

Alex Tsakiris: [01:00:36] Great, okay.

William Ramsey: [01:00:37] It’s kind of like a small little community so people are saying this is my idea, I came up with this, let it be known I came up with this till this date.

Alex Tsakiris: [01:00:47] But so the inside word is kind of keep your eye on William Ramsay Investigates because something big is coming up.

William Ramsey: [01:00:57] Oh, hopefully well see. Very interesting things are happening there’s no question about it.

Alex Tsakiris: [01:01:03] It’s close to the best ,I love …

William Ramsey: [01:01:05] You always have to keep the cards close to the chest

Alex Tsakiris: [01:01:09] Right oh baby, right on. Hey William thanks again. Our guest again, has been William Ramsay of William Ramsay Investigates. Be sure to check out his website because I just told you he’s got something good coming. I kind of have a feeling it relates to something that we might have talked about but I don’t want to push him any further. He’s not saying might be but…

William Ramsey: [01:01:33] Well I think it’ll go with the theme. There’s things under the surface that you know, people might not be aware of, like cronyism or some of these other kind of moderate currents, they’re actually pretty dangerous.

Alex Tsakiris: [01:01:47] Very intriguing. William, as always, it’s just so awesome talking to you and I really appreciate what you’re doing out there and appreciate you having this kind of open ended conversation.

William Ramsey: [01:01:59] My pleasure, great to talk with you.

Alex Tsakiris: [01:02:02] Thanks again to William Ramsay for joining me today on Skeptiko. The only question to tee up from this episode. Primacy of Christianity, yes or no? This is a topic particularly the Roman, Josephus, conspiratorial, political part of this that is really, really grabbed my attention. So I have a number of shows coming up on this. So if this at all interests you in the way that it interests me, then hey, you got some good content coming up. If not, it might be taken a little break from Skeptiko for a while, but I do hope you stick around. Until then do take care and bye for now.

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