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Alex Tsakiris: On this episode of Skeptiko a show about freedom and self evident truth. I have an interview coming up in a minute. With Matt Lambo. A first time author who’s written a book that matter of factly lays out what he believes are some self evident truths, but before we get there, let me play a little clip from an old movie. Hammerstad where I think they’re talking about self evident truth.

sir, remember this story while it can’t really call it a story, the history where’s the Spanish guys that go over to Africa. I grabbed these people by gunpoint, chain them up, load them on a boat and head off on their little slaving business venture, but along the way, the Africans rise up, have a little mutiny and decide that maybe those Spaniards should Salem back to Africa. Now it doesn’t turn out that way and they get captured by an American ship. And that leads to this court battle.

And the scene that you saw there is where they were wrestling with the legality of whether that cargo human lives

Could be thrown overboard to reduce the weight of the ship.

Now I think for a lot of us that falls into the category of a self evident truth. That is that you can’t enslave people and force them to do what you want by threat of death.

Here’s the way today’s guests. Matt Lambeau puts it.


[00:01:41] Matt Lambeau: All conscious souls long to be free. We want to make our own decisions using our own volition, so we can decide for ourself what’s right and wrong.

So anybody who doesn’t agree with the first fact is going to fall into three categories.

They’re either ignorant of which I’m making of calculus. I get it. We’re all ignorant. They’re captive. They no longer have freedom of thought or they’re either complicit or corrupt,



[00:02:14] Matt Lambeau: , your conscious soul was alive before you were. It will be alive after you die. This exercise on life is a lucid dream where your conscious soul is navigating the physical energy of our universe with that said selfishness in its simplest sense is demanding that others conform to your perception of reality.

. Selfishness on a larger scale is you taking the life, Liberty or pursuit of happiness from another individual. .

[00:02:44] Alex Tsakiris: So, this is an interesting interview. You might like it. You might hate it. But one thing I wanted to point out is that, you know, even though Matt doesn’t have a PhD ,

he sure nailed the moral imperative question a lot better than last week’s guest. Dr. Dean Raden. If you’re a member raid and kind of stumble over the idea of whether morality could ever come into the equation



[00:03:11] Dr. Dean Radin: Yeah, you’re talking about issues of morality and ethics and, uh, it’s, might be related to all this, but I’m, I’m not sure I would go.

[00:03:23] Alex Tsakiris: and it’s extra funny because he kind of does the heavy lifting. I mean, the only way you can maintain the idea.

That morality is always under every circumstance. , a social construct is to believe that we’re biological robots and a meaningless universe. So it’s amazing to me that the scientist who’s probably done more than anyone else to scientifically dispel that idea can’t make the step.

Can’t see the obvious implications for the moral imperative for self evident truths, like freedom.

Hope you like this. One’s to ground for my interview with Matt Lambeau.

welcome to Skeptiko where we explore countries, heal science and spirituality with leading researchers, thinkers and their critics. I’m your host, Alex Securus. And today we welcome Matt Lambo to Skepta coat. Matt is the author of the facts. And I pulled up his author page on Amazon here and this book, and we’ve been chatting about a little bit in the forum is a wild ride, and I’ve kind of encouraged Matt to come out from his bombastic kind of pseudo Nim personality that he is in writing this book.

And tell us what it’s really about. The, the book does claim to be the ultimate source of truth and wisdom about, well, almost everything. , but what I want to bring forth in this interview, and I was just telling him that this. Is, I want you to reserve your temptation to dismiss Matt and to dismiss that the claims that might kind of hit you over the head and really think about what he’s saying in the necessity he feels about putting it forth in this way.

If you do, I think you’ll find what I have found and that’s that this guy has some super interesting things to say and to talk about and some very, very skeptical Jewish kind of ideas. So, Matt, it’s terrific having you on welcome to skeptical.

[00:05:38] Matt Lambeau: I mean, you go truly a pleasure, truly a pleasure.

[00:05:43] Alex Tsakiris: So let’s start with the obvious. Tell, tell us about the book, the facts.

[00:05:50] Matt Lambeau: Okay. Uh, yeah, the facts is the first book and three of them is called humanity’s last hope. The subsequent books are the war against evil and the battle for the Benjamins. And, uh, uh, the facts is basically my attempt. I’m a recent. Okay. And over the last decade, I’ve grown, frustrated as, as everybody in terms of our, uh, just what’s happening in the world in the division between us, the inability, the fact that we can be family members or best friends.

And we see the world from completely different paradigms, the exact world we’re sharing, we see completely differently. And that intrigued me in terms of why the hell this is happening. And truth be told. One of the first Epiphanes in my life was learning was finally introduced to George Orwell. And for those that haven’t read George Orwell animal farm is pretty straight forward.

It’s saying, Hey, here’s how a narrative can be manipulated by those that might have a sinister agenda. And then 1984 was simply saying, this is what happens when you do it on a global. It all becomes one big lie. You’re even part of the lie or your views or perception of the world is a product of that deceit.

So that was an epiphany in my life that said, oh, okay. Now I get why we see the world differently. George Orwell just showed us what’s happening. And that is we’re being fed through our media. A paradigm of reality that on one, in my humble opinion on one side is completely inaccurate and nothing but lies.

And the other side is true. 100% true. So the facts is basically my pursuit to see if I can’t go find these truths that I call self-evident truths and line them up simply with weight simply so more on like, we can follow the steps and in doing that. I believe the facts takes your mind, not your physical body, but your mind above the fray on earth, you might’ve mentioned.

It starts off to be a spoiler were, were killed the reader and the author are killed together. We’re now floating like an, an he burst above the accident scene now above the planet earth. And because we’re in the next destination, information flows into us like a thing. And so basically the reader and me are researching the facts.

And what that means is we’re following somebody like you that went out and discovered the science and the spirituality of these things. And so my role is simply to simplify this stuff. So the rest of us can follow.

[00:08:30] Alex Tsakiris: And Matt, when you say facts, it’s capitalized because it’s an acronym. What does it stand for?

[00:08:36] Matt Lambeau: Correct. And that’s a crucial distinction. Okay. Because the facts is an acronym for finding answers. That confirm truth about self. Okay. So selfish, obviously we’re all selfish, but truth be told in the spiritual world. It’s all that matters in the spiritual world. You’re either selfish or you’re humble.

It’s yang, it’s yang. It’s right. It’s wrong. It’s dark, it’s light. And to take it a step further, let me form a little context. Okay. Because again, it is to use the term, like the facts is audacious. Who’s this guy that says he knows the facts, but when you qualify it to say, the facts only apply to that, which is most important in life. Okay. Not so they’re not the facts to everything. They’re only the facts to what’s most important in life. And that can be established by chasing down this little culprit, cult selfish now to put it into context real quickly. Again, we die in the book and so truth be told, I believe it’s fact, one, two or three, your conscious soul was alive before you were a human being on planet earth.

Surprise. Your conscious soul will be alive once you die in our reborn. This is no longer a topic of discussion. This is something that science and spirituality is proven.

[00:10:03] Alex Tsakiris: Let me stop you right there, because this is where I think. It starts getting interesting because what you just said is true. Science has beyond a reasonable doubt. If you want to put a legal standard on it established exactly that consciousness survives bodily death in a way that we don’t understand.

And I think what you’re really what you’re highlighting here is super important. And it’s the reason that I wanted to have you on mat, because even if we sort through a lot of this stuff, you’re saying, and if someone doesn’t necessarily agree with it, you’ve just put your finger on like a really important thing, which is that this is self-evident, it’s not only true, but it’s self evident and it’s self evident for anyone who seeks it out because it’s not self-evident in the way that you could have some kind of divine revelation that it’s true. It’s self-evident that if you go out and seek for this truth, by the means that we normally associate with doing that science logic reason, you come to that conclusion. So why have so many people not come to that conclusion? That’s what I think you’re really bringing forth here that I think you do in quite a beautiful way.

[00:11:26] Matt Lambeau: Astute observation. They’re young Jetta.

[00:11:29] Alex Tsakiris: I don’t want to jump around too much, but I think your, metaphor of the tree is just, is just wonderful. It’s wonderful. Tell us about the.

[00:11:41] Matt Lambeau: Okay. The tree of life. All right, good. I’ll do it as best I can to explain it. Now, let me finish on that first thought. The fact that my conscious soul was alive before I was born and that it’ll be alive after I die is irrefutably proven. And again, not only science, but billions, if not trillions of testimonies from caretakers or what be it.

I mean, the fact that we still have a discussion about what happens when we die is ludicrous. We need to move above it. We need to move above that frequency and start figuring out just what happens. . So, if your spirit was alive before you were born and it will be alive after that begs the question, why are we a human being?

Okay, why are we here? And truth be told it’s to navigate the energy that is earth. And when you look at selfishness or humility, First of all, you know, this and it’s early on in the book, it’s just a little physics understanding that saying, dude, there is no solid. If you’re the size of electron, even the inside of a diamond looks like the universe.

It’s not that, but space of little dots. So what we perceive as real is not, it’s an illusion and it’s unique to us alone. We all have our own independent, unique perceptions of the world. So selfishness in its simple sense is you being a human being and demanding that others conformed to your paradigm of reality.

That’s it? Humility is the opposite. It’s saying I’m going to live. With recognition of somebody else’s paradigm, you got Hitler on one extreme our boy, JC on the other we’re somewhere between. But the fact of the matter is in the spiritual world, all that matters is selfishness and humility. It is by where we’ll judge now to take it a step further in terms of saving humanity, you say, listen, um, humility comes through giving true joy.

So if you’re in a complete state of despair, the truth of the facts is that you can eliminate that despair by simply giving to others, positive energy will flow into your life. So you can see it goes a bit deeper. And, but you’re with me.

[00:14:03] Alex Tsakiris: I am I I’m with you, you know, the way that, uh, know the way that one of my favorite guys says it is, is twofold. He says the first part of what you’re saying is don’t complain about the weather.

[00:14:15] Matt Lambeau: Yeah.

[00:14:16] Alex Tsakiris: So that’s easier for me to do. I live in Southern California on the beach, harder for you to do if you live in Minnesota, but it’s the same.

Why do you think your at the center of this universe, the center of this infinite time stream, that you shouldn’t be complaining about? The weather that’s 0.1 and that’s to your point about selfishness. To me, that’s what selfishness about is about. And the second thing that he says is don’t pass that car.

Yeah, I know she’s driving 30 in the speed limits 35. And if it’s 35, you really can go 40 and don’t. Pass the car, because again, it’s selfishness, it’s thinking that you have to get ahead. You have to do something that there’s, some God has some plan for you. Some mission for you that only you can do. No.

God just wants you to be with that woman right now and consider whatever the hell is going in her head that makes her want to wear a mask when there’s no one in the car and drive 30, when the speed limit is 35, God wants you to not hate that person. And God wants you to not pass that car. And that is my interpretation of what your saying, that resonates with me on such a beautiful level.

And so, so few people get that, Matt and you are my spiritual brother. Cause you get that stuff just like a duck, swimming in water. I mean, it’s just all a part of what you’re about.

[00:15:46] Matt Lambeau: Yeah, well, and again, I’ve, I’ve got this, uh, Everything in my world just seems like common sense. And I don’t know why that is. And I mean, the, like what, we just talked about that saying, this is common sense. I don’t get why this is, of course that, um, you know, our spirits are alive and we’re navigating this energy.

We’ve got our own volition and yes, we answer to right and wrong decisions because our selfish decisions always take us into frequencies of darkness. Regardless, every time it’s no longer something that needs to be studied, our selfless decisions of that accommodate our brethren, take us into the light, true joy.

You can get happiness in the form of Ferrari. True joy only comes through giving that’s it. And to give just a tiny little amount means positive energy of light pours into your conscious soul. And so. To again, the problem and why I come across. So condescending is, for some reason, for me, it’s all common sense as crazy.

I look around the world. And so then, uh, with that set as you, we can’t blame somebody for their ignorance. There’s no obligation or mandate to understand this crap. Okay. But with that said, ignorance can be a big time danger to my freedom, especially if they’ve got power or they can vote, or they’re a patriarch or family or something.

If these people are completely selfish because they don’t understand what we just talked about, they can be making wives around them miserable. So the ticket out of that is to get them to the holy grail and say, dude, this is the way the world works. You’re you’re, you’re punishing your kids because you don’t understand.

[00:17:38] Alex Tsakiris: Matt. Tell us about the tree metaphor.

[00:17:42] Matt Lambeau: Okay. So it’s called the tree of life. And just by happenstance, I didn’t discover this until late, but it’s like one of the first few sentences, right? In Genesis. I mean, whether a Bible read or not, I thought it was kind of coincidental. And it’s basically saying that the tree of life is truth.

It’s simply this tree of life that saying there are self-evident truths. Okay. And those truths need to be protected because there are forces out there that do not want. Conscious souls to understand this truth. So if you look at the tree of life, it’s basically saying that all of humanity agrees with the roots.

The roots of the tree are yang and yang darkness in life, fear and love selfishness in humility. Every single conscious decision a human being makes is one or the other. You’re either going down to the frequencies of dark. Every single decision can be registered in terms of what it was for the benefit of my own paradigm or somebody else’s.

So those self-evident truths are the roots of the tree. Okay. Now, since all of humanity agrees with the roots and to this yang or yang, a fear or love supersedes, even that of an ineffable creator, it’s the way all universes. It’s just the way it’s. So the tree of life then is going to the trunk, starts with the first fact, the first self-evident truth, which is the most obvious.

And we would agree on that. That says, this is the most important I have that one written we can discuss it, but we talk instead of humanity spending their whole life to understand what you and I understand we’re going to give it to them at the outset that says your conscious soul is alive and there’s intelligence within our atmosphere that we don’t understand.

You’re getting that one first.

[00:19:37] Alex Tsakiris: , play it back. What’s the trunk of the tree. I love this metaphor by the way. I think it’s quite brilliant. Play that back the first fundamental truth again. I love it. It’s self-evident but not everybody gets it so good.

[00:19:50] Matt Lambeau: I get it. Okay. And so again, you used the term metaphor. Okay. I think that falls short. I think we are indeed it as bombastic as it might sound talking about the actual tree of life, the Genesis tree of life, because it’s simply a protected portal it’s truth. When humanity went into the darkness and the light, we have to find the light in that’s nothing but truth.

Spiritual energy is synonymous with intelligence. It’s the same thing. Your thought process is alive because you think that’s intelligence and again, you were alive before you were a conscious soul. Okay. Okay. Truth thing. Uh, the tree again, the trunk, trunk. Okay. Trunk is saying you start with the first.

You learn that now your conscious soul has gone one frequency above the fray on earth. The next fact takes you closer. The next one closer. And I gave you the top 10 facts.

[00:20:55] Alex Tsakiris: Recap, because you did such a good job of trying to pull that back out of you fact. Number one is beautiful. Tell us it again, just succinctly what’s fact.

[00:21:05] Matt Lambeau: Okay. Fact, number one is this. And when you hear this, your conscious soul, not your body, your mind moves up into a frequency that’s smarter than the rest of humanity. And that fact is this all conscious souls long to be free. We want to make our own decisions using our own volition, and we want to experiences planted so we can decide for ourself what’s right and wrong.

We want to be free.

[00:21:38] Alex Tsakiris: Okay. And the other thing, the other thing I heard you say before, so maybe I, I, I, you, this is part of that, but I heard you say that right above the root is just this understanding that we are conscious beings in this spirit. World, because you know, people who followed this show, I mean, I don’t know why, but I’m with you, bro.

I had to pound on this for years. If we come to understand and study really that science is telling you you’re a biologic Pearl button, a meaningless universe, science, where your kids went to school there. And my kids went to school. They were, this was drilled into them over and over and over again.

There is no meaning. There is no consciousness. Consciousness is an illusion. Consciousness is an epiphenomenon of the brain. Shut up. There’s nothing to it. So right off the bat, you’re hitting us with two things. You’re saying at the root is hell yes, there’s a moral imperative. There’s a right. There’s a wrong.

You knew that when you were five years old, why are you letting somebody tell you different? You know, that’s true. And then the next thing you’re hitting us with. And come on, you know, that your conscious, you know, that that voice inside your head is real. You know, that if you speak completely silent and say, hello, something inside you hears that hello and answers back and you are conscious.

Why did you ever let someone convince you to ever entertain the idea that, that isn’t real? Why did you fall for that? That’s what I hear you saying. That’s where I hear you being agitated in the same way that I’m agitated, because that leads to the question is why would someone try and deceive us that way?

Why would someone try and kind of slip one past this at, at such a degree? And why the heck are they so affective and. Yeah.

[00:23:48] Matt Lambeau: Okay. You answer your own question. I know. Why, what do you think?

[00:23:53] Alex Tsakiris: , I don’t think we’re quite there yet because what I want people to hear? Is that again, I’m, I’m using the term metaphor. I think it’s a beautiful metaphor. I think these roots get to this trunk and then I want you to move into the metaphor. What are the branches? What are the tweaks?

What are the leaves?

[00:24:15] Matt Lambeau: Got it. Got it. All right. Good. Yup. is saying again, you’ve been indoctrinated with untruths, but with the first fact we can lift whoever reads, in fact, above the fray. They’re not when a frequency where they get it. Okay. So the fact, the first fact too is again, let me, let me just explain the metaphor a little further.

Imagine the world is, is covered with an ocean of distance. Okay. And the tree of life is a portal out of that oil spill up through the buck, into the light. And that’s what we have to protect is this path to go up and frequencies and intelligence outside of the, the cesspool of deception. So fact one lifts us above a hay where we’re all want to be free.

We’re conscious souls were alive. Okay. Now anybody that disagrees or doesn’t understand that becomes a danger to your. Okay. Not because they’re a human being, Donald Trump or Barack Obama, or my wife, none of that matters. What matters is the ideology, the thoughts in their head or a danger. So anybody who doesn’t agree with the first fact is going to fall into three categories.

They’re either ignorant of which I’m making of calculus. I get it. We’re all ignorant. They’re either ignorant, but they’re captive. They no longer have freedom of thought or they’re either complicit or corrupt, which means they understand what you are saying and they don’t give a rat’s ass. Okay. So now the next step to all right, so we educated them on the first step.

Here’s step two, your conscious soul was alive before you were. It will be alive after you die. This exercise on life is called a lucid dream where your conscious soul is navigating the physical energy of our universe with that said selfishness in its simplest sense is demanding that others conform to your perception of reality.

Okay. Selfishness on a larger scale is you taking the faith freedom or finance or the life, Liberty or pursuit of happiness from another individual. Okay. Selfish in a simple sense of making my family demand, conform to my reality on a larger scope. I want the world and I need for me to get my agenda. I need your, your life, your Liberty, or your pursuit of happiness.

So right there, you can see the dichotomy between good Knievel, every single decision, whether it’s Putin, whether it’s Trump’s, it can all be measured up, whether or not they’re fighting for freedom or. And that’s the only step two of the trunk. Imagine if we take them all 10 where there’ll be,

[00:27:04] Alex Tsakiris: I think that’s super powerful stuff and I think it would take us a long time to kind of fully deconstruct that. But we have to try, because I don’t think we can kind of jump to all the other stuff without just kind of breaking that down. And as I said, his book is , if you’re going to buy this book or you’re going to pick it up at his website for free, if he still has it for free,

[00:27:28] Matt Lambeau: yeah,

[00:27:28] Alex Tsakiris: that because we want them to

but when you get to the book, when you get to the actual book, you’re going to be surprised. And you’re going to be impressed because as you can tell, this guy has a command of these issues. . So I want to pick up on some of the things that you just said there.

And I want to draw out one of them because you’ve mentioned the evil thing , but the part that I really wanted to highlight is that you’re being deceived. , we all know that there are people who have motives that aren’t in line with the light and with the good. And yet we constantly want to pretend that that’s not the case.

I interviewed this FBI agent a while back and he was an undercover guy and not a lot of the FBI agents go undercover.

And he had gone undercover with the NAMBLA group north American man, man, boy loves associate made funny by the south park thing, but not so funny when you really listened to his story and how we went to New York city. And I was in times square and the kids, all the guys wanted to go in to toys R us, cause they had a giant Ferris wheel and they could watch the little kids.

And he said, what really got me is it’s not just that they were watching the little kids, they were talking about how they want to hurt them, what they wanted to do. And it wasn’t just about sex. It was about inflicting pain and suffering. And he said, Alex, if I wasn’t undercover, I would have picked him up and thrown him over that fricking 20 foot railing and enjoyed watching their head splat on the, on the floor below. And the reason I bring that up to people sometimes is like you said, you don’t think there’s evil. Well, what about that? And people quickly crumble and go, okay, no, I get it. That’s that’s evil. But I think the deeper question. And again, if you take it from the tree stand point that you’re talking about, we can start to unravel this question, which is, I think what you do in the book, which is if we’re all about light and dark, if we’re all about good and evil selfishness and the freedom from selfishness what’s comes from humility, comes from giving.

Then maybe we can understand people who can’t get that energy to flow. Can’t get that life force to flow through the tree. And what they wind up doing is the only way they can get it to flow is the, put it out in a really, really harmful negative way that we can only speculate what that’s going to do to their soul.

But the point being. This is a fundamental, I don’t want to say shift because it shouldn’t be a shift because as Matt pointing out, this is fundamentally self-evident. As soon as someone explains it to you, of course, that’s what evil is about. We all know that we have evil within us because we have that energy that comes up and we don’t know what to do with it.

And we make bad choices about what to do with it. And that leads to further bad choices and that leads to more bad choices. And before, you know, it, the only thing we can do is to continue to make those bad choices. At least that’s what we perceive because the other thing that Matt and I agree about is you can always choose the light.

The light is always shining and the light is a thousand times, a million times in infinite number of times, greater than the darkness. So it isn’t that hard, really. And that’s what I think your book is about. It’s just, you just need someone to reassure you

So continue to tell us about the tree,

[00:31:13] Matt Lambeau: all right. Perfect. Um, and yes, that frequency, the top frequency of love is not only accessible. It’s a frequency just beyond your nose. You’re enveloped in yet. Just need to figure out how to get to it. And truth is you get to it through giving through humility, the moment, simple signs of humility, instantly the frequency you are, you’re catapulted to the frequency of love.

So anybody can do it. It’s just an understanding thing. And when you think in terms of who would have indoctrinated our children to not understand this simple, more self-evident truth, it’s somebody with an ulterior motive, they’ve got a sinister agenda. It’s just who they are. So when you talk in terms of, of pedophilia, again, selfishness in its simplest sense is me demanding that others conform to my perception of reality.

Could there be anything more egregious than for me to violate somebody of a under eight. That’s the ultimate form of selfishness. I’m what I’m going to manipulate you because you’re not even, you’re young into my paradigm. ,

[00:32:30] Alex Tsakiris: I think the button , that it pushes related back to, I think what you said, really, really quite profoundly, if we go back to it is control. And I think if we’re, if we’re honest, we all have control issues. Like you said, Hey man, I got control issues all over the place.

Like you said, I got control issues in the family. Right. I want my wife to do a certain thing. And why didn’t you do, I want my kids to be a certain way. Hey, you got it. I got control issues. I understand that. Well, like you said, imagine if those control issues start going really, really bad. Do you think that kind of might start to explain why you would want to abuse a helpless.

Child that you can totally control or take it to where you did, which I think is again, self-evident once someone points it out to you, let’s say you were a Gatesy kind of person, and let’s say you had this enormous wealth, this enormous power in influence, and it didn’t quite work for you. It still wasn’t quite lifting your soul up.

Might you want to exercise that control in a way to say, well, maybe, maybe if I control the pave, if I can control more, is that I’m just throwing that out there. Is that possibly an explanation for what we see? Is it maybe part of the explanation for what we see? Because here’s a guy with Gatesy who had more money than he could ever spend?

Well, one, he was kind of born into it, but he legitimately made more money than anyone could spend. By the time he was 25 years old. W what do we do? We need another self-evident do we need another explanation for why he would seek to do, to exercise his control in such a negative way? I don’t know this I’m building off of what you said.

So I want

[00:34:25] Matt Lambeau: Yeah, no, I think, yeah, it strikes me as it’s explained, it’s explained when you go down the path that says, listen again, it’s freedom or control, right? Or wrong, black or white, that type of thing. When you go down that path and it becomes about you, it means you fall so far into the abyss. You become what I call a demon in a demon as simply a human being that’s 100% selfish, zero humility. Okay. And there are everyone. Trust me. The leader of North Korea does not have an ounce of humility. He’s a walking demon. Okay. We have. And some I’m not looking for trouble here. Just use him as an example because he came to mind first. But think about it. There are people that have lived their entire lives and nothing has ever mattered other than their own paradigm of reality.

On the flip side of that through spiritual growth, some people have lived their entire lives for others.

[00:35:22] Alex Tsakiris: I get ya. The only point I can’t resist throwing out is, Hey man, he was born into it. That guy in North Korea, it’s like when you talk to somebody who’s, who’s in a cult, you know? And I talked to a guy recently, wonderful, wonderful person, spiritual being, and I love him and he just passed and he was a Mooney.

Remember the Moonies, you know, sun, young moon, God, God, Jesus, all that. And. So after being in it for 30 years, 30 years, Matt, he found a way out and now he works with and has worked with some people who are second generation Moonies wrapped your head around that because we can all say, oh, you fricking Moonies.

How could you be so stupid? How could you fall for that? But no. Now take this next generation. Your mom and your dad are Moonies. They raise you as Moonies. Every event you’ve ever been to in your life is all Moonies is all. Mormon is all Jehovah witness is all first Presbyterian church.

Now, do we have to look at that person with a different sense of compassion, a different sense of understanding of how that worldview is is, is formed? I think we do, and I want to give a chance to respond, and then I want to come back to the tree.

[00:36:46] Matt Lambeau: right. So I, uh, uh, I th there’s only one way out and it’s true. So to be a Mooney, that indoctrination process is no different than probably what I went through as a Catholic. I mean, we’re being told certain things, whether there, you know, there might be some semblance of truth wrapped into deception, but bottom line is whatever energy we were privy to.

And if that’s caved in as a Mooney, or if it’s in North Korea or what be it, but either way, that’s our paradigm of the world that is our subjective truth. And to try to penetrate inside of that, you’re dealing with something called an inexorable. It’s like, you know, again, you can’t, you, you think you could ever make a Christian become Islam or vice versa.

No, they’re in extra beliefs that will not be changed. Right? And so if you were an indoctrinated with the moody as a moody or whatever, it might be, wherever caused you to go off course from truth, your only salvation is truth. The only way Mr. Leader in North Korea, that’s been indoctrinated for 30 years, it’s all he knows is to find the holy grail and to read that first fact.

And that might open up his mind that saying, I don’t have to be this monster. I could free my people and saved my soul truth is the only way out of the cesspool of deception.

[00:38:10] Alex Tsakiris: Right on back to the tree.

[00:38:12] Matt Lambeau: Okay. And the important distinction is that all of humanity agrees on 99.9% of what’s most important in life where we disagree are the leaves of discovery. So we can follow the trunk and the facts up through the branches that says this big branch here is somebody’s Einstein’s ultimatum. That says you can live your one of two ways.

You can live your life as though it’s a miracle. Or as though it’s not okay, there’s big fat branches, humanity. That believes life is a miracle. This little branch that went to the side or the atheist. And if you believe in the atheist hop on that branch, because through those leaves of nourishment that might become the trunk, it might be what’s. But right now, the big part of the trunk is listen. There’s an ineffable creator and he’s put Evelyn and he loves us. And that now we no longer talk about other things, because this is a self-evident truth until proven wrong. So the, we, all of humanity agrees on the trunk. All of 99% of humanity agrees on the largest branches.

The other ones that are going out up through the twigs is where the intellectual conversation you and I are having. Those are the twigs of discovery in the leaves of nourishment, but you and I, and everybody in North Korea, and we all agree on what’s important humanity. We need to change things. We don’t want it to be a shit show.

We want what’s best for each other. We all agree on that stuff. Now, someone who might not is been indoctrinated. Okay. And they see the world upside down, but the only way to reach them as a simple concept that says, have you joined the free world? No. What is it? Go here. Boom. All of a sudden now we, I consider the facts.

The only indoctrination that’s necessary in this world is to get off on the right path with what’s real. And once you do that, now you’re in an intellectual discovery. Does that, did I explain it fine. And are you gathering it?

[00:40:21] Alex Tsakiris: Yeah. So what I thought we do, so that’s, that’s awesome. And I love that metaphor and I think people will, will see that as quite,

[00:40:29] Matt Lambeau: buy into it, you buy into it.

[00:40:32] Alex Tsakiris: fro I think it’s brilliant. I think it’s absolutely as a metaphor though. No, I, I mean that Matt, I mean that as a metaphor, absolutely brilliant. I think it’s so worthwhile.

[00:40:47] Matt Lambeau:

That that’s why

[00:40:50] Alex Tsakiris: , , you want to pull this thing just right into the right end of the right into the ditch. , here’s the thing is that the Bible is an incredibly spiritually enriching document for a lot of people. It becomes a source of finding the truth for millions and millions of people. But that don’t mean it’s really. That don’t mean it’s really inspired or anything like that. So when people start talking about the Bible as if it’s true, as if something really happened 2000 years ago in history was chin. No, bro. It’s no dude. It’s always and forever. It’s now the light is shining.

Now the light shine 2000 years ago. Yes, but it’s shine 2001 years ago. So I think that the potential for. Christianity to be just another version of Moonies, you know, 10.0, where it’s, you know, 40 generations. I’m not saying that’s the way it is. I think that’s the way it is. I’m just saying we would have to fully consider that from a historical archeological perspective in terms of whether or not that really holds up,

I would add this so that people hearing this can understand my process is I pushed you on that. I checked you as hard as I could on that. And I loved the way you came back, because the way you came back is, Hey, that’s a small branch for me, Alex. I’m at the roots. I’m at the trunk, Alex, which is spiritual truths.

So I, if I’m on the wrong branch over here, no problem, bro. I just hop over to the other branch. But my roots, my roots are still my roots. My big strong trunk that lifts me up out of the ignorance is still my trunk. And that can’t be shaken. I so respect that. So love that about you and what you do.

[00:42:49] Matt Lambeau: Well, and that, uh, again, when I throw out the Genesis thing, that was to kind of tweak it a little bit. Um, but again, the reason it’s resonating with you has nothing to do with the fact that I might’ve been the one who discovered the concept it’s resonated because it’s true. It’s obvious. It’s common sense.

Now that saying, as we move up and we discover we were hopping branches. Yeah. And the one that happens to be the absolute truth will become the. You know, um, now one quick thing on the Bible, cause you and I are on the exact same page. Okay. Christian indoctrination to my world is no different than any other type of indoctrination.

Okay. And when it comes to the Bible, in my subjective opinion, Hey, I see it as a mystical book written by man, possibly divinely inspired book with a question subject to interpretation.

[00:43:45] Alex Tsakiris: Everything is divinely inspired. Would you agree? Every book, every important book that’s ever been written is divinely.

[00:43:51] Matt Lambeau: 100% agree. And so the books in the Bible are no different. There’s a case to be made that, that the books of John and the apostle Paul were nothing but near death that’s destination experiences and then writing them down. I mean, on the road to Damascus, he saw Jesus that doesn’t surprise me over the last 2000 years, that’s happened to millions of. Whether it’s Jesus or not. But bottom line is he went to the other destination, learned a little bit, came back, started talking about it. I see it. No greater than that. And again, the book, the reason I hold the Bible with reverence again, I’ve never read the whole thing and I began subject to interpretation, but I see it as a mystical document that says the moment you open it, your mind transcends from your human cesspool to that of your spiritual realities.

And hopefully that takes you into the light. And if that’s what that book does for some people, my guess is that’s why it’s here. Anything else? It doesn’t matter. It’s no different than probably the most influential book I ever read was embraced by the light, which was my introduction to near death experiences, way more significant in my life than the Bible.

[00:44:58] Alex Tsakiris: let’s talk about near-death experiences, how you’re processing it through your lens. What does NDC stand for?

[00:45:05] Matt Lambeau: Well again, when you say you use it as near death experience that. Counterintuitive because you don’t have to be near death. You can have these, my wife had, when I was traumatically heard, basically what has to happen if something traumatic happens in your life for the future in the past, no longer matter.

All that’s important is the now in this case I had gotten hit by a car. So my wife to be was concerned. I might be over what she slipped into it. Absolutely. She’s now in the now, and that allows your spirit to go places that normally wouldn’t have. So it doesn’t have to be near death. And those try to debunk it are saying, well, was the blame really clinically?

None of that stuff matters. You know, it was Dr. Eben Alexander, you had him on your show. He proved that guys are fricking neurosurgeon. I mean, really we’re going to argue with this guy, but the point is, is it doesn’t need to be a dead brain that just proves it, that there are people that are comatose and absolutely they’re watching the scene talking about what the EMT. Okay. And that is in irrefutable proof. So end of discussion. It’s real. Let’s move forward. Let’s move above it. And so, yeah, when I was introduced those, it changed my life. I’m going, fuck. There’s proof of all this stuff. Why is nobody listening?

[00:46:21] Alex Tsakiris: And so you coined this term. I love it. Next destination experience. And I think, I think again, what that brings what that brings forward, and this is what you do. Is you say, , look, if that is self-evident, based on the science logic reason, which it is, and you’re also hanging it out there, if it isn’t prove it to me, but otherwise I provided enough evidence that the burden of truth is on someone outside of the facts to prove it otherwise.

And since no one’s going forward, then you got to go with Matt’s truth. So then you said, you know what, guys, I appreciate that you’ve done all this work. And for the last 20 years, you’ve published over 200 peer reviewed articles on it. And you have all this good stuff, but you know what? You really mislabeled it.

Why did they mislabel it? And what should it be labeled?

[00:47:11] Matt Lambeau: Next destination experience. It’s all it is. Is the peak on the other side has nothing to do with death. Yes. When we die, obviously we go to the next destination, but it defeated it because by saying near death, you’re ruling out the contributions of mediums or meditation or whatever else. I mean, yeah.

Anyways, so it’s just

[00:47:31] Alex Tsakiris: No, no.

[00:47:32] Matt Lambeau: of the puzzle.

[00:47:33] Alex Tsakiris: It’s the little pieces of the puzzle are all we’re can ever hope for in the best day, you know, but I’ll tell you this. I’m just about to publish an interview with a guy. Fantastic guy. His name is William Peters and . He’s one of the world’s leading authorities shared death experience. Okay. So William has this Institute, multiple PhDs, medical doctors has done real research, shared death experiences, right? So this is where you’re going with this. This is you are already anticipating this science is very important science because I don’t know if this matches your wife’s experience, but what’s happening is people are with someone who are, who are crossing over, are experiencing this glimpse or who are actually journeying to the other side.

And they are journeying with them. They are going part of that way. They are seeing deceased relatives. They are seeing the light. They’re seeing the, so this is science again, confirming what you’ve figured out there and metastatic just after a couple of,

[00:48:45] Matt Lambeau: well, and it’s,

[00:48:46] Alex Tsakiris: of.

[00:48:47] Matt Lambeau: it’s, it’s like a million people walking into the courtroom and saying, I saw OJ do it. And then there’s still people that won’t believe that evidence. That’s not enough that doesn’t suffice for me. You know? So it’s ridiculous. And now when you incorporate the wisdom we’ve learned, yeah.

When you pass to the other side, you could go into darkness, you can go into light. The, uh, there’s a lot of options over there, but, uh, bottom line is it’s, it’s bullshit to see, keep talking like this stuff. Isn’t real. I mean, that’s called intellectual pollution. If we don’t move above that conversation, say, Hey, you guys are entitled your old, your old branch feel free and feel free to populate it.

Come back to us with whatever you got, but the rest of the trunk we’re moving forward.

[00:49:35] Alex Tsakiris: Right on so a couple other points, and then we’ll, we’ll wrap this up and people can join this conversation by checking out Matt’s book the facts. Talk about ITI. This is another topic that for a lot of people, when I bring it up, people are like, oh my God, why are you mixing that in?

And just talk about parapsychology or just talk about PSI or just talk about, cause you know, and I’m like, no, I’m with Matt here. It’s just about whatever truth comes along. I’m like, oh, okay. I didn’t know that truth. Oh, school me educate me. Oh, that’s true. Okay. Well I guess I’ll have to fit that into my tree.

So what do we know about UFO’s? What do we know about ETE Matt?

[00:50:23] Matt Lambeau: well, what I’ve learned through.


And years and years of research and, and delving into the truth is that it’s as real as the nose on our face. Okay. Again, I’m gonna go back to Nikki. Six is analogy and cheese. It’s like an onion. Okay. We’ve got species on earth of which is kind of what the monkey and then there’s the human being.

And then just above us in our atmosphere, finally, the Pentagon to the best of my understanding within the last five years finally came out and said, okay, okay. Yep. There’s something flying in the atmosphere. We’re not exactly sure what it is. It doesn’t conform to our laws of physics. And so at that point now too, I read this in the New York times, the paper of record saying the Pentagon said this.

So at that point we can look back now and every single person. Question somebody who was claiming UFO’s and still today, somebody who questions it, these people are no less stupid today than those that thought it was a flat earth back then. The evidence is overwhelming. It’s been proven. And if you choose not to believe it, we have no choice, but to leave you on your little branch and move forward, because it’s as real as it knows in your face.

And if we’re not going to include that fact into our discourse, we’re going to go around and around and around. And the world’s going to continue to slide into the abyss.

[00:51:57] Alex Tsakiris: Right. And with that are a thousand other questions about that, which we can’t completely wrestle to the ground, but what you’re pointing out is kind of the logic of it, the self-evident logic of it, which was if you were resistant to all these cases, thousands and thousands of cases from the most trusted people, we have people who have a tremendous amount to lose.

You’re not guys been in the air force for 30 years and says, Hey, I can’t hold this secret with. While I die. Here’s what happened to me. And by the way, here’s five of my buddies who weren’t even my buddies, they just served with me and we all saw the same thing and it was at this nuclear force space. So if we, if we have all those accounts and now we have, as you said, the Pentagon who clearly in their admission of this is also pointing out that they’ve been the biggest perpetrators, liars, perpetrators, and worse than you liars, worse than liars in the sense that they have intentionally generated disinformation in order to lead people in order to lead people astray.

So we could get into a whole discussion about what was the agenda behind that. And are they evil or.

[00:53:21] Matt Lambeau: control.

[00:53:22] Alex Tsakiris: well, and then there’s the whole military. You want me on that role? You need me on that wall because you really don’t. So that’s a whole other, that’s a whole other discussion, but I want to bring people to is again, here’s Matt Lambo.

And we’re going to have to tell as, as wrap up, we’ll have to say that, tell that story what that’s about, but saying, okay. He’s just connected those two obvious points. Is that okay? All of you who’ve been holding back the, the, the, the dam with all these accounts, the best, most trusted eyewitnesses that we have people we say that we trust with the nuclear bomb, hundreds of them.

And we, you’ve not been willing to accept their accounts, because you said you’re waiting for the government to say that your government, as if that’s something real to say, it’s. Okay, well, now they said, it’s true. So what’s holding you back now. That’s the strength of this book? That’s the power of this book to say, no, I reduce things down to some fundamental principles in.

If I apply these principles consistently, it always seems to land me on my feet where I can kind of figure stuff out. And when somebody knocks me off my feet, it’s no problem. Cause all they’ve done is say chip over to the next branch bro. And I say, I’m fine with the next branch because it’s all connected to the trunk and it’s all connected.

[00:54:50] Matt Lambeau: yeah. Yeah. It’s all a pursuit of truth. And the, uh, yeah, so, and it’s simple. This is where I get condescending or I sound that way. And I sound so matter of fact, because what we just discussed that’s. Ah, self. I mean, it’s, it’s common sense in my world that we account for this intelligence. And so my patients with people who refuse again, the question is this, not if this stuff is true or not, it’s been proven, what do we do with the willful ignorance? These people constantly are making claims that have been proven untrue. Somehow you have to move past it. We’re not moving past it. We’re moving above it. You don’t have to come with us, but those that are willing to accept these truths, we’ve elevated our conversation. We’re now up to step the fact number 30 of which you and I, and anybody that wants to contribute yet has the truth has to be a foundation somewhere of which we’re picking yet.

Not. I mean, right now, there’s just no, no hierarchy of common sense of which we can discuss from the outside. Does that make sense?

[00:56:04] Alex Tsakiris: it does. .

[00:56:05] Matt Lambeau: the goal.

[00:56:07] Alex Tsakiris: Beautiful. So I’ll tell you, as we, as we wrap things up, Mr. Matt Lambo is going to is going to tell us that great little story about how he came up with the pen name, because I think it’s, it’s, it’s quite, quite.

[00:56:22] Matt Lambeau: Yeah. Well, it’s crucial to, okay. Because again, when you read the facts and again, I wanna, I wanna make this crystal clear. Okay. This has nothing to do with me. The only thing you need to know about me as a human being. Okay. Is that, uh, I’ve got more children than I have. A’s in both high school and college and I’ve got more DWI than I have children.

[00:56:47] Alex Tsakiris: Yeah, but what I want to know is why do you still love the Packers, even though they break

[00:56:52] Matt Lambeau: Oh,

[00:56:52] Alex Tsakiris: year after year

[00:56:54] Matt Lambeau: That is a segue I was hoping for right there. For those of you don’t know, the Packers franchise supposedly is owned by fans. And so that kind of led to my pen name, Matt lamb book, because that premise, that Curley had that said, you know what? You give the people the opportunity to manage this franchise. They can actually do it through a co-op. They all have the same interests.

And so I look at the facts the same way they have nothing to do with me. This is simply intellectual property that belongs to the free world, the free world and the holy grail, the way I see it, as we’re in an ocean of deception, the holy grail is your portal or something like that. That says there’s a protected place where we can go find truth.

And if we go find that truth, we can set out into the world knowing that we’re confident because there’s somebody defending us

[00:57:42] Alex Tsakiris: you nailed it. I don’t, I don’t, but it, and I think there’s some things to add there that I think are interesting because the push back is yeah, Matt, but that’s not really how it works in terms of how it’s kind of implemented and how it is today. But I’ll tell you what to suggest that the ideals, that the vision doesn’t matter is to really miss one of the trues and one of the facts. And one of the points I always like to make to people when they kind of want to quote the constitution or the founding fathers is the inalienable rights.

It’s two things. One is now those guys got a lot of shit wrong. I mean, we had, we had the most incredibly vicious, evil slavery for hundreds of years. And then we fixed it for like two years. And then we let a bunch of terrorists, just pure terrorists instituted again for another hundred years. And we all stood by and said, well, you know, it’s not really affecting me that much, so let’s let it go.

But let’s not totally dismiss the ideal, the law. Inalienable rights, life, Liberty pursuit of happiness, because even the folks who were subjected to the terror of that institution, they saw the wisdom in that. So there is something to hold on to there. But the other thing that I’d made kind of in my kind of classic way is we always had the Neyland bill of rights, the quote unquote, founding fathers didn’t give us anything, which is in the same way, what your book is about.

We always had it. If the Republic falls tomorrow, will you still have those rights? Because they are from the roots, they are from the source. And I think that’s the Lambo thing in terms of what you’re saying is that collectively we can come together and it isn’t going to be perfect, but we can do a pretty good job and the Packers have done the Packers.

What are what’d you think about the Packers? They’ve done. Pretty good.

[00:59:51] Matt Lambeau: Yeah. And I mean, that’s, that’s the bottom line is the unalienable rights come from the creator. I mean, they’re, they’re woven into the fabric of all that is they go beyond and enough of will create, or that’s saying this, and this is the light it’s it’s faith, freedom, you know, life, Liberty, the pursuit of happiness, but they’re under attack.

You cannot deny that conscious souls that want others to conform to their paradigm. Reality are constantly attacking the available rights fathers. And so we can either just life on life’s terms, let this destruction of the world, and it’s conquered by evil occur. Hey, life on life’s terms, this is the way it’s supposed to be.

There’s a strong case to be made that we’re here for the difficulty, sort of explains all that. But on the flip side of that, wait a minute. This is, these shoots are ours. Why would we not circle the wagons and protect. Y just allow the onslaught when we can starting with one conscious soul, you start like this little tiny flame of truth, where people come and they get them one at a time.

And guess what? Once they get here they go, oh my God, I’m protected here. I could walk back out into the world with complete confidence and be condescending like Matt land bull, because I’m so confident in what I know is true. And now we got an army and that does include the defectors from the dark side.

[01:01:17] Alex Tsakiris: Matt you are, you are a joy, but, uh, you are unique. You are my brother. Tell folks about where they’re going to find the facts and tell folks about the website.

[01:01:28] Matt Lambeau: Okay, sounds good. Now again, the, uh, the facts are free if you want a PDF. And again, I don’t a whole understand the whole publishing world and this and that, but this is information of which belongs to the free world. So you can always go to selfish and get a free PDF. Now, if you want a book or digital, that stuff costs, so there’s going to be a cost, but then especially humanity’s last hope will always be available for free. And what I truly see this book is this is you can’t read it without your life changing for the better 100% for the better, because all it is is truth and truth sets you free. It has nothing to do if I was a counselor. And there’s none of that is in there. Sure. You can see that some human being wrote the stuff, but what matters is, Hey, do you understand the, uh, the past future and the now, do you understand some of the things that were in the road less traveled?

Do you understand what was in the untethered soul or the power of now, or I don’t have enough faith to be an atheist. I’m just basically going through, pull it out. What I know is fundamentally important to Manatee and put it at first, some wait until you’re 58. Let me give you the cliff notes of this stuff.

So that’s the way humanities it’s available. Okay. And I truly believe that if you give a rat’s ass about humanity, You want to forward this podcast to someone you love this book, the facts is a message of love. Again, it’s has nothing to do with, um, just the guy who stumbled upon the idea and went chasing it.

The content within the facts, along the lines of the books, you’ve written they’re game, changing your elevate, your consciousness above the fray, into the frequency of understanding and the light. So yeah, I believe the book is a game changer. I believe working with you and now having access to the holy grail and the 20th first century, Moses that you are, we can change the world with this stuff, dude.

And again, we’ll change it. We’ll take a look at it. If it is articulated to perfection, let’s tweak it in and, and give people access to the truth. That’s it. In a nutshell, I’m just the messenger.

[01:03:47] Alex Tsakiris: Matt. It’s been awesome having you on and this isn’t the end. The conversation will continue. So thanks again so much, man.

[01:03:55] Matt Lambeau: Alex I, you understand, because we’ve communicated a bit leading up to this, but I am truly honored my friend truly, truly honored.

[01:04:05] Alex Tsakiris: Thanks again to Matt for joining me today on the one question I’d have is, is there such a thing as a self-evident truth are all trues, always in every circumstance, a social construct. Be careful with that one, realize that the current neurological slash scientific model we live under materialism, the idea that you are just your brain leaves no room , for anything. Then the social construct.

I’d love to hear your thoughts on this and stick around plenty more to come until next time. Take care. Bye for now. (music: Tomie’s Bubbles Candlegravity).


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