Investigative journalist Johnny Vedmore… Henry Kissinger and Klaus Schwab… Strangelove mutual destruction… globalism vs. US empire.

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[00:00:00] Alex Tsakiris: On this episode of Skeptiko. A show about considering all your options.

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And to show about when crazy doesn’t sound crazy.

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[00:00:38] Alex Tsakiris: This crazy mutual destruction kind of thing. The way you lay it out, it actually kind of makes sense

[00:00:46] Johnny Vedmore: They were starting off the seminar, but they were also concentrating on the nuclear arms race. , , so they were both really scared. And in 1957 when, um, nuclear war and foreign policy got released from the C FFR working group, that Henry Kissinger released it, and it kind of said, okay, what would be better than all out nuclear war is that we have this slow perpetual warfare?

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That first clip was from doctor strange love, which. If you’ve never watched it, or if you haven’t watched it recently. Is a must. An absolute must. And the second is from today’s. Excellent. Excellent guest.

Johnny Vidmore of unlimited hangout. Who has some just extraordinary. Articles. That we’re not even going to be able to scratch the surface on, but I hope you will check out after listening to this interview.

[00:01:40] Alex Tsakiris: Welcome to Skeptiko, where we explore controversial science, spirituality, and other big picture stuff like we’ll hear about today with leading researchers, thinkers and their critics.

And boy, oh boy, do we have a good one today? I’m just super excited to welcome Johnny Vedmore to Skeptiko. He is an incredible investigative journalist, and I mean incredible. So you, you’ll find some of his work on his website, johnny vor.com, or you might also stumble across him on the very excellent unlimited hangout. You know, investigative journalism is more or less dead today, right? From the usual sources that you would find it. You’re just not going to get this kind of stuff, particularly the way that Johnny, uh, documents it, uh, researches it. One of the fun things I hope we get a chance to talk about today is some of the methods.

I mean, it’s like old school. Hey, I had to dig into this archive and I used the way back machine, and that led me to 500 names that I had to trace. Now everyone, this is true investigative journalism, and it goes places that as we know, you know, we’re just not getting there through what we’d call our mainstream journalism.

So it’s really rare these days. But anyways, a, a lot of work here also , a musician. Right. Hey, what, what do we wanna play right now? Just a little bit. .

[00:03:12] Johnny Vedmore: Come on, man. Oh my Lord.

Uh, well, I’m, I, you know, I’m, I’m proud of, uh, I, I’d say, uh, evil Israeli war machine. What? You’ve got a, you got your, yeah. You’re on the trigger

[00:03:27] Alex Tsakiris: machine.

Damn.

[00:03:39] Johnny Vedmore: I’m ready to go. It’s got a minute and a half sim solo at the end of that one. That’s, uh, that’s, that’s mostly sim solo to be perfectly honest, rather than song.

[00:03:49] Alex Tsakiris: I’m fired up now. I mean, that’s gonna take me a while to settle back down. Okay. So, um, anyways,

johnny, uh, welcome to the show. Thanks so much for joining me on Skeptical.

[00:04:00] Johnny Vedmore: Well, thanks for having me. I mean, um, I, it’s been a really hard journey to get to a point where, where people know my name, uh, because, uh, I mean, there’s so much censorship in this, and that’s been, that, that, that’s partially like, runs alongside the fact that, like, like you said, investigative journalism is dead.

I didn’t really know what it was when I started doing it. You know, I didn’t know what, what I was heading towards because I’d never really seen that type of journalism. It’s not introduced to you. It’s out there in the back. And then, you know, you, there’s a, there’s a few people who have, have kind of like inspired me and their workers made me go, wow, wow.

As that’s what you do, you put, you put all the facts there and that’s what investigative journalism is. You get all of the facts, as many as you could possibly find. And I’m a collector of facts, I suppose. I’m a collector of these little, uh, pieces of history, uh, little sources from history, evidence from history that tells us a real story, you know?

You

[00:04:58] Alex Tsakiris: know, it’s funny you say that cuz I kind of get the other impression. I, I, a lot of the stuff I find more and more in the conspiratorial vein is this kind of data dump. You know, and I think you rise above that in that you do have a little bit of storytelling element. Maybe that’s because of your, you know, uh, music background and you’re telling stories and you’re writing lyrics with the beginning and an end and all that kind of stuff.

I mean, I, I, I don’t know. I think it’s more than

[00:05:30] Johnny Vedmore: that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there, I mean, I spent years with a guitar just sitting there with a guitar writing song after song after song, and I tried

[00:05:40] Alex Tsakiris: to How, how long, how long were you, what, what, what is, give us a background on, uh, on you, A Welshman, a Welshman, uh, a fighting Welshman with, uh, an edge on the music we can

[00:05:51] Johnny Vedmore: hear.

Yeah. I’m, I, I mean, I had a really strange upbringing. Um, I, I’m from the Capital City of Wales, so I’m from. And, um, but, but my family and my dad was, uh, uh, he, we were in this, uh, reenactment Organ Society. So it was a 17th century reenactment society called The Sealed Knot. And, uh, every, every week, almost every weekend, uh, and for sometimes weeks, I was out in a campsite somewhere dressed in 17th century clothing with people walking around in armor, fighting with swords, cannons going off muskets gunpowder.

I used to, when we used to travel down to the musts, um, because my father was the commanding officer of Colonel Burch’s regiment for, I used to set on the gunpowder keg that we used to travel to the actual, uh, um, uh, events with, for our regiment. Our regiment would have to bring their own gum powder. Uh, that eventually stopped in the nineties, uh, late eighties and early nineties when the regulations got more heated up and they, they were a bit more careful about allowing people with kegs of Gump powder on the road.

Um, but I, I had this really strange upbringing. My father was a really eccentric man because of the way he was. He’s like, uh, we had a re, the, the society we were in was like 8,000 people. So you had 8,000 people dressed up. Fighting for charity. Uh, loads of people would come watch. Of course, it was a massive event over the weekends.

Uh, the commentary every night was just, you know, you out in the middle of a field, out in the middle of nowhere with a load of friends you see every weekend, but you don’t live with. And it was always party atmosphere. So I was brought up with that party atmosphere all around me all of the time. And I, you know, and I, I got to learn about history.

I got, you know, really deeply, but by, by exploring the castles myself, you know, as kids, we would just let off the rain our parents, cuz we did, they, we, you know, this campsite was closed off. Um, usually, usually they would just let us go off and we would have to return by 12, midnight when they finished their partying.

And, and as a child, that’s what my life was. We’d just go off in the middle of nowhere and we’d explore castles and we’d sneak into places we weren’t allowed in. And, uh, and then in the weekdays, I had this normal life which go into school and everybody, like my experiences were so far removed from each other.

And I, I think that led me on to understanding. You know, uh, what people see every day, what most people see every day is just a bit a losery. Um, and there’s actually this whole other world out there, and you could be doing loads of different things all around the place. And you go back and sit in an office and everybody thinks you sit in an office all the time, you know?

Yeah. I, I worked in hotels when I, I finally like, you know, when I, I got. Uh, age of 19, I went into a full-time work in hotels and a lot of people talked to you. I was on a reception desk, friendly, always talking with people, uh, meeting people from all around the world. And there was loads of people I would meet who I discovered would.

Believe that I was constantly behind a reception desk cuz that’s what they saw. And I understood like, the idea of perception was really interesting for me. I also had like a load of really negative experiences when I was young. So my family there was like, uh, even though we were really loving in the same way, there was loads of violence, like really hard violence.

Um, I was groomed from when I was nine to 11 by a guy who was in this organization in this field not, and uh, ended up going to court. Um, and he got convicted and then he got let back into the society again and was just around me all the time. So I had this like globes of these, these horrible experiences I had to deal with in life as well.

And, and it all really affected me negatively by the time, uh, I hit into my twenties, you know, September the 11th is happening. Uh, and the world just seems like this crazy mess. You know, the Internet’s coming, everything’s exploding all at the same time, yet we’ve still got nothing like everywhere.

Everyone I knew had nothing. We were living off like we were earning like four pound 50 an hour, you know, I dunno how much that is in dollars, but it was not much, uh, and couldn’t get much work. And uh, the financial crisis was on its way. You know, life was really, uh, sad and I kind of like kept trying to make sense of it and I kept going into, uh, kind of the internet.

Exploring around and reading and reading and reading and not realizing while I was doing that, that I was actually starting, uh, becoming a journalist. I was, I was one step away from being a journalist, which I was gathering all information. Yeah. I wasn’t writing that information down. and that was the only difference between before and after is once upon a time I wasn’t a journalist cuz I didn’t write anything I knew down.

Um, and, and anything I find it’s not even what I know. You know, you what, what I always discovered is that you can tell people your opinion till the cows come home and people disagree with it or not. You know, it doesn’t matter. They, they, they, they’re ethereal, they disappear really quickly. Opinions, you know, they go with trends and fads and they go with the time.

But when you collect real information, when you’re telling people facts about the past and history, it can make them understand loads of things about their own lives and their own, uh, interactions with the world that they could never understand before. And suddenly their eyes are open to so much more.

And, and it got or not, or not. Or, or not, or not. And, uh, all of this time, um, I was, uh, suffering from something called Grave’s Disease, which was a really, like, it was undiagnosed for most of my life. So only diagnosed when I was 27. It was a really heavy thyroid disease. And, uh, basically by the time I was 27, I was almost dying.

Um, so I, I, I was like, you know, as my ill health was going, uh, I was unable to sing, uh, unable to, to keep a job. Um, all sorts of symptoms were occurring. Uh, it was still undiagnosed and I felt like completely inly lost. And eventually that, that got, that got rectified and understood. And then I had radioactive treatment and they had my thyroids taken out.

And then I had all of this depression, anxiety, and all this feeling of weirdness. And I was put on loads of chemical fort compounds, fluoxetine and, and, and other thing, uh, clomipramine and other things that made my my head go crazy. Um, and I fell into that world. I fell into that world. And by the time I got to about 2014, 2015, I was a mess.

I was a. But I had like music, I, my, my, my sort of like musical projects I had built and you know, music’s really hard. You get into a band, you get into a band with other people and, and other people are, you know, especially musicians are usually crazy fickle. They go, you know, they’re, they’re, they’re airy fairy.

They, they turn on each other in, in with great ease. And so that wasn’t going very well and I was really depressed and I was just like, what am I gonna do? I, I, I got to the point where I was, I had just been taking more drugs and more drugs and more drugs until eventually I was just on morphine and I was taking morphine.

I was puking up. I I was say, you know, nearly, nearly straight away. Nearly straight away. It is like I was heading towards dying and I knew it, I recognized it and I, I, the first time I really recognized it was, um, I lied to someone who I love very much about what I was doing and what I was taking. And I, within a day I just, I just felt really like the lowest I felt in, in years.

Cause I’d lied to someone I had completely adored, um, about something that was so horrible. And I went to that person, I said, I need help. I need to get out of it. And they said, you need to work out to get out of it. And so I went up to the Welsh hillsides and they picked a load of mushrooms and I spent about three months on mushrooms.

Like his do or die. I’m gonna have to. Take everything into my brain and I’m gonna have to have this experience. And I did. What is it? What

[00:14:01] Alex Tsakiris: grows up there? What, which kind of, uh,

[00:14:04] Johnny Vedmore: um, a little Welsh, we, we have what’s called Welsh magic mushrooms. I can’t remember the, the, the, uh, uh, uh, the, the name. Are they the little Christmas?

Are they Little Christmas? Yeah. Yeah. They’re like little. Wizard hat, sort of mushrooms. And they’re beautiful. They’re wonderful. They, they so powerful. They’re really up high on, on, uh, the, the mushroom scale. And you, they’re in abundance just, just outside the city. You go up to Garth Hill, anybody who lives in Cardiff go up to Garth Hill in the right time.

Uh, uh, you can pick hundreds, thousands. You can try ’em all out and keep ’em in a pot. And, and, and Bob’s your uncle. And I, I kind of just felt like, uh, my, my certain parts of my life were breaking down. I had to reform. We, we take control and my life come off, drugs come off. All of these other things that had been, you know, there had been for forcing me down.

And that was, uh, it was just like, it, it opened up another thing to me. It, it made me realize, I, I got to a point where I realized, am I gonna continue being quiet? Living in this world where everything’s miserable, all the people around me are unhappy. All the systems don’t work. Politics is horrible.

People are turning on each other. It’s getting worse and worse. People are getting poor all the time. Do I want to live in that world in a little room taking morphine and dying and killing myself? Or do I want to go and say, well if, if I’m not going to kill myself that way, cuz if I continue that way, I’m gonna die, then you are gonna have to kill me.

And so I’ve, I, I looked at the people who made me the most angry in society. You know, the, the, the, the secret services, the intelligence agencies, the people are hiding things from people. I said, okay, I’m gonna try and find a way. And politics mainly at first, I’m gonna try and find a way to, uh, you know, reveal information, find information.

[00:15:58] Alex Tsakiris: Can I ask you this cuz like, there’s so many twists and turns to the story, but let’s just go right where you were. You’re up there and, and you have the psilocybin experience. How did you even know to, to do that? Or why did you think that would be, you know, somehow help you out of this situation?

And then two, how, how effective was it for you particularly, uh, to, to kind of start healing?

[00:16:29] Johnny Vedmore: Yeah, if I was gonna, I mean, my thought was that if I wasn’t gonna kill, kill myself for drugs, I was just gonna end up killing myself. And so the o other alternative is that your party yourself to death, but I’m killing myself, was the same stuff I’m partying with.

So I needed to get earthly with it. I needed to get, I, I, I had already experienced psychedelics, already. A big fan of psychedelics, never on that scale. I, I said, you know, I, I’ve really gotta start not just, in a sense, it was a reset. It was the re it was a reset of the mind. Totally. It, yeah, it was, it was like, you know, a lot of, a lot of it I spent, um, I, you know, I, I, one night I took a, what, what Terrence McKenna would call an epic dose of, of mushrooms.

Um, and I, I fell asleep. And I, I don’t remember, uh, the night, uh, the dreams, anything. I just remember waking up and feeling this complete feeling of refreshment, like refreshed my soul. And I was doing so much in the way of much, I just felt like I was con constantly. It was about resetting my sadness, my inability to, to, uh, concentrate on certain things I was taking, you know, like the aspect that I got groomed.

I mean, if you try and look at that when you are on psychedelics, you have to look really deep within yourself and you can disconnect yourself, but you can also be with yourself. And I started to kind of understand that the things that happened in the past were kind of a different person, you know, or nearly every single, uh, bit of your bone and your skin will, will fall off and, and reform during like e every 6, 12, 18 months, depending on what thing it is.

And eventually you just reform to be a new person and you hold all of this angst and all of this pain with you. For someone who, if you can get into the right frame of mind, you can sort of communicate with that person from an external, uh, in an external sense, in an external way you can say, I know what you went through.

I really do. I, I, I’m the only person who can know what you went through. And I, I learned to let loads of things go. I learned to let loads of things go, but letting things go. Also, I, I, I saw what was important and the whole time, you know, I I, there was a sense that the, the only thing you learn from resetting yourself on mushrooms is truth is the only thing that’s important.

Truth, going out there and finding truth. That’s, that’s, that’s the, you know, it’s always opposing. Whenever you anything psychedelic, you know, it’s good, bad. It’s al it’s, it’s so juxtaposed the whole experience. But truth as opposed to lies cuz everything, when you examine it, everything that, that, that has caused you pain throughout your entire life, all stems from lies.

It all stems from that one thing that someone told you something that is not true and it is hurt you.

[00:19:36] Alex Tsakiris: Well, you know what, uh, is kind of interesting about that. Not to just pry totally into your personal kind of thing, but like, you grow up in a intentional alternative reality. I mean, you were doing simulation before there was simulation.

Like now it’s, you know, I’ve had guests on, are we living in a simulation popular topic? You know, dude, you were living in a simulation by choice. And in your father to put you in that, you know, I’m a dad, got four kids, I can be eccentric as hell every weekend. and then, uh, you know, creating a situation where something like that could happen.

Not that he’s responsible. Hey,

[00:20:17] Johnny Vedmore: he, hey, hey, hey. He’s, he’s, uh, my, my father who I don’t, I don’t really speak to my father. He’s a, he’s a special man to be sure. He, uh, he ex extremely eccentric in his way, unable to see anything but himself through most of his life, and, and really, really impressive. Did anything that he put his mind, the commander would do?

The commander, yeah. But not only was he the commanding officer afterwards, he became a town crier. So like the Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Um, and once upon a time, he was a steel worker for 18 years and he grew up in a pub in the roughest area of Cardiff, and he’s got all of these different strings to his bow and his, his cupboard used to be filled with like loads of different costumes and diving gear and all sorts of things that usually, yeah.

Why don’t, why don’t you guys talk? Why don’t you guys talk. Um, uh, mainly because he was a, a terrible philander. Uh, he was, he was awful with the ladies. He treated my mum like crap and there was a lot of violence in my house when I was younger. So I, I, it comes to a point where anybody, and this is a, a message to a as well, can be a message to anybody who physically abuses their children.

At some point, their ch child will reach adulthood and will look at you in the eye and you will shrivel up into a ball and walk away. That’s it. There, there is, there is there, there is very rarely someone who can repair damage when it’s been like years of physical, uh, really violent stuff. He was a big guy

[00:21:55] Alex Tsakiris: Was he ever able to own any of.

Yeah.

[00:21:59] Johnny Vedmore: Uh, not with, not with me. No, no. He, I mean, I, I, I, I think with my, with my sisters more, um, and I, I don’t, I, I dunno. I, I mean that’s, it’s, it’s, it is really hard because I, I, I love, you know, we all love our family so much, and I, I, I love him in many ways. I see myself in him in many ways. Sometimes when I look into my son’s eyes, I see my father.

I understand the, the idea of looking back at your father’s faithful history and almost every, uh, mimetic moment in, in movies such as Star Wars, when you cut off the face of yourself and discover it’s your father underneath, and it’s just your face and it’s your father and it’s your face. You know, this is, we, this is what builds our psychology.

All of these things, uh, you know, people don’t suffer, uh, um, a death from just one thing when they, they like come to an end when they could decide to commit suicide. You know, it’s death by a thousand cuts. It’s all these different experiences from all around, all piling up. But if you could rationalize each one and you could take out each one, and you can understand why, and I don’t blame my dad for the way he lived his life.

I think part of it, uh, and I, I think he’ll accept it was extremely high strength alcohol. Uh, be as. Mainly growing up in a pub didn’t help him. And he was wild and no one brought him back in. Uh, my nan was the great greatest person around and my grampy was the greatest person around, but I don’t think they could control my dad.

Um, so, so, you know, he’s a man of his time. Very much so, very, uh, he, he, he’s molded me in many different ways. The only thing we ever got on, uh, together, um, with was war games. He, he taught me how to play cuz he, he wanted to do it himself. And I had no one to play with. He taught me how to play Axis and Allies when I was like, uh, I, I d know, I was probably about 7, 6, 7.

And, and then he would invite round his war game inmates and I would beat them all that. That’s basically . Cause I, I didn’t, I didn’t, uh, have these pre-concept of what had happened throughout history that they all automatically seemed drawn towards doing the same mistakes throughout history that lost God.

Well, the

[00:24:15] Alex Tsakiris: other thing I, I picked up from your bio, uh, two things. One is you go through this dyslexic kind of thing. You’re tagged as being dyslexic. Yeah, yeah. Like so many creative people are. And now, you know, you’re a writer up. Class caliber writer here, folks. You just gotta go read the articles and you’ll see it’s, and, and so that, that’s kind of, you’re, you’re probably tagged as being not super smart, right?

Isn’t that what you were told kind of growing up?

[00:24:43] Johnny Vedmore: Uh, I, I think, I think there’s a lot, uh, I saw a lot of what I see in society now in the way I was treated at school, um, in the fact that I would, the teachers all knew that I was good enough to go up to the next class, but they would keep me from going up to the next class because there wasn’t, I, I had too much of my dad in me maybe.

Maybe I could say that. Um, I hung around with some of the bad boys. Uh, I hung around with everybody, but I tended to like doing naughty things. And when we were teenagers, we were awful in Carter, we were awful. We were breaking into houses and we weren’t stealing stuff from people. We were going and using their telephone to prone porn lines.

And we would, we would watch all their movies, eat all of their food, leave the place a mess and go again. Like, you know, we, we would do, we were doing naughty things. We were breaking our windows for fun, we’re burning garages and out houses. So, um, the, the teachers knew what we would do. And it was a sm uh, Cardiff, maybe 300,000 people, but it’s a small place.

Everybody gets to know all of the rumors. And I got tagged as a troublemaker more than I got tagged as anything else. And, um, and so I, I remember one time when it was masked, we had to decide whether they had to decide whether we were growing up or grade. It must have been about 13. And I got like something like 70% in the test.

And the girl who I had gone to, uh, uh, primary school with a known for ages got 61% and she got chosen to go up and I got kept behind and I asked them why. And they said, well, you’re just, And none of the other teachers want you. So it was just, you know, that sort of theme kept going. And so in school I did the same thing as I do when I write now, which is I, I basically said no to teachers, but I argued with them in a logical way.

And, uh, like the, the headmaster used to sit me down, uh, when Whenev and we, we’d have a conversation about why I wasn’t doing the thing. So whenever they, the teachers, the worst threat they could do was go to the headmaster. I went to a school which was extremely, the headmaster was extremely Christian, and it was a policy of no expulsion whatsoever, so you could only be suspended.

And I was never suspended there. Every time they sent me to the headmaster, he would gimme a cup of tea, we would have some chocolate biscuits, and we would sit around and he would ask me why all of these different things. And I would give him answers to why. And that, that was basically, you know, that was the cycle I was in.

Then I, I just then didn’t go to school for, for the last. Year or so of it. You know, I, I, there was no one there who could keep me in school. And, and, and then they still let me into college and that’s when my parents’ relationship was breaking down. And my dad was terrible with my mom. And my mom had was on the lowest like place she could ever be.

My sisters, uh, were just old enough that they had left the house, uh, left the home. Um, so I ended up like just trying to like, help my mom for two years, go through the most horrible, uh, relationship. And then that’s really the first time when investigating began because, uh, I had to find out who my dad was having an affair with, uh, the name, the woman in the court documents.

And I went through library poll. Things. I went through his, I went through his phone book and I looked at all of the numbers and I found all of these little, like, coded words, and I found all of the things that looked a little bit suspicious. I expected.

[00:28:09] Alex Tsakiris: Why? Why was he, why was he so you on the sly about it?

I mean, um,

[00:28:13] Johnny Vedmore: he had, he had basically, he, he had had, uh, been called having, uh, loads of affairs over and over again. And my mom had always said to him, no, the next time that’s it is over. Oh, no, the next time that’s it is over. And this time I was 17, it was like 1997 and, uh, I was 17. And, and so my mom couldn’t see a point of trying to keep the family together anymore.

You know, she was like, I don’t wanna be with him anymore. He’s, he’s just, he’s just all about himself. So she wanted to get outta there. And there’s a, there’s a load of histories. There was a load of histories in my family. Really complicated things that I didn’t know about. With my family. Uh, my mom sat me down one day and told me some things about her life that I had never, I I, I still can’t, you know, I can’t, uh, say by proxy that that happened to her throughout her life.

And she was kind of

[00:29:08] Alex Tsakiris: eccentric, as I’ve heard you told her before, she was kind of a eccentric with religion and spirituality. Yeah. Kind of mixed in, in a bunch of weird ways

[00:29:16] Johnny Vedmore: kind of thing. Yeah. Most, most definitely. She, she, she had had, um, she, she, in in the sealed knot, she had had a friend who she got really close with.

She was a really nice girl, but she was a sad girl, but she was really nice and she did a ta reading for her, and this must have been about like 79 or something. She did a Tara reading for her and, and it came up bad and the girl killed herself like a week or two later. And, uh, my mom never forgave herself, so she was, she was like in denial about her affinity for this.

So I, we had all these books all, uh, around, but we didn’t have like any, like, it was just church. And she didn’t look at the rest of the stuff after that until the divorce happened. And then when the divorce happened, it kind of like just opened up and then she started going to psychic readers all over the place.

Um,

[00:30:08] Alex Tsakiris: How did you feel about, about that? I mean, being, and some of it was

[00:30:11] Johnny Vedmore: that world. Some of it’s really interesting cause I find it, I, I, I think it’s a bit of a hit and miss. Like, for them it’s a bit of hit and miss. There’s a load of, there’s a load of people out there who are of course scammers and, and they say loads of things and sometimes they’re right about something.

And at one place she had turned up, she had taken my auntie along and there was a, uh, a guy who, who claimed to be psychic and talked about my, uh, auntie’s dead daughter who had died just, uh, uh, like a year or two or three before, uh, it was devastated. She was 18, you know, she was, uh, the princess of the family and, uh, and, and, and that, that, that, that really, like, I think that sparked my mom to be like, look for all of her.

Ways away from, uh, the bad relationship and other things into spirituality. And she started, uh, tending spiritual church, uh, which of course, people who, who, who, who, who were in the know, uh, people who whose family attend such things. They know. They call ’em Spooky Church .

[00:31:15] Alex Tsakiris: did you go check out the Spiritualist Church?

Because it’s a big deal in, uh, in the uk you know, in here, even in, in, uh, where I live in California, i, I was,

[00:31:24] Johnny Vedmore: you never, Uh, no, I, I used to, I listened to a couple of the, the, the readings that she got, the private readings, but I never went to Spiritualist church. And there was, I mean, there was a few reasons that one of them was, I remember my mom saying, listen, we at the Spiritualist Church, I’ve offered to, uh, to, to put together the compilation for the music, the hymns were gonna be singing, of course, their version of hymns.

And, uh, and what was it again? It was, um, Robbie Williams Angels and, uh, uh, I just called to say, I Love You by Stevie Wonder . And she had me put it down on a tape, and then I gave the tape to her and she went in and, and they played that, uh, every session. They played the same song. I just called to say, I love you.

And I just, I just, like, I, I couldn’t, I could do, I would be laughing. I would be in hysteric the entire time. So I kind of left, Le left that I, you know, I don’t, I, I don’t like the poo poo anything. I can’t disprove this unfalsifiable

[00:32:23] Alex Tsakiris: I mean, the evidence is pretty overwhelming for after death communication. Yeah. Yeah. In terms of, uh, scientifically, like we’ve interviewed a bunch of people. You, you can take that to science. You could do a quadruple blind study. You can get people and sit ’em down and not have the people do it and scored independently.

I had some, we’ve done

[00:32:40] Johnny Vedmore: all that stuff. Yeah. I had some freaky occurrences happen. Yeah.

[00:32:44] Alex Tsakiris: It’s not about that. I mean, what it’s about and the way it connects to all this other stuff we’re gonna talk about is that y you know, this has been kind of one of my things is what’s slipping through the cracks here is, The metaphysical, uh, part of this, you know, Prometheus wear Bellen Saga?

Right? And, uh, Kim Kardashian and, you know, so some of these people are trying to tap into that energy and we can say whether that energy is real or not. You can be agnostic about that, but you cannot deny the fact that they are in the belief that there is this. Alternative energy that will aid them, you know, that’s what Pizzagate was about, you know,

[00:33:22] Johnny Vedmore: and stuff we talk about, we talk about energy upon a low, like, level of intelligence normally, I mean, human beings in general.

Because I mean, when we talk about w when we talk about like sexual compromise cases and things like this, I really find, I, I, I’m, I’m bringing out, um, a five part series that kind of goes back through it. It, it, it’s a lot of things that happened in the fifties and sixties and no one’s truly examined really well.

It’s like the takeover from being normal people, then having their establishments taken over by Gangland members, then taken over by, in those guys, taken out by intelligence and a load of people just died in the wake. And then that led to the downfall of the British government and, and naughty women inside, uh, Kennedy’s bed chamber.

And there’s one guy in there course in a, in amongst these stories, uh, that they come from the perfumer affair. Uh, the downfall of the British government in, in, in the early sixties is one guy, Steven Ward society, osteopath, he was kind of the guy who was hung out to dry, uh, taken to court and eventually took an overdose or took an overdose and, and died while he suicide, right?

Yeah, yeah. Completely, completely. I mean, it, he, he, he had known some of the most important and powerful and influential people and. Uh, not only in government, but also in the intelligence services. And he had put himself about, and he had put himself in the right places, and he was a really interesting person.

If you actually read a lot, the testimony about, uh, people who had experiences, especially girls who had sexual experiences, because you, you talk about all of these different, uh, girls that went off to these different people, uh, around the time Stephen Ward would go and chat up a load of girls and then say, well, do you wanna meet my mate?

He’s a politician who’s got loads of money. And they’d go, alright then. And then they’d tu off down the road and he’d introduce them to his mate, who’s a politician or wherever else, you know. Um, but when they had a relationship with him, it was completely different. Often when they went off with other people, they had these weird stories, you know, spankings, sex with animals, all these sort of weird things all around.

But with Steven Ward, he was about, um, Exchanging energy. So it was about, very much about, uh, and I I I, anybody who understands more than just having sex with somebody else knows that once you, uh, lay down with anybody else, once you, uh, connect with someone, you go into a point where you can literally just like be next to each other and exchange this feeling that, that, that, uh, that that grows and expands.

And it’s not talked about when you’re talking about sexual compromise cases. We talk sex, sex, sex, sex, but there’s so much more to the energy that comes out of a human being and the different manifestations of it and the nuances between it and how it affects people and how it changes people’s lives, changes people’s perception of what’s good about, uh, bad.

[00:36:21] Alex Tsakiris: , that’s almost too complicated to approach from the way we are. I, I’ll tell you one woman that I, I referenced all the time cuz I talked to her on the show, and it’s, it’s like, I, I wrote this book a few years ago called Why Evil Matters. And the premise of the book is, We don’t deal with evil, you know, it’s either, evil is a social construct, evil doesn’t exist.

There’s no such thing as consciousness. You’re a biological robot in the meanings universe. Or I’ll tell you what evil is. Let me pull out my Bible, you know? And, and here it is. So I interviewed this woman called Anika Lucas, and she was, you know, you’ve had a horrific childhood. My childhood was, was not perfect, but nothing, nothing like that.

Anika goes, goes a level deeper. Uh, uh, basically an insane mother who sold her to, uh, as a sex slave at six years old in Belgium. And remember the Dure

[00:37:11] Johnny Vedmore: thing? I, I did a bit of research on it. So quite amazing. Uh, I got, I, if you want to know a couple of little tidbits of what I know, then tell

[00:37:20] Alex Tsakiris: Well, yeah, well, and, and likewise cuz you know, one of the things they know about the Dureau case is, you know, he goes to jail and while he’s in jail, the little kids, you know, that he has locked up in cages die cause they’re not getting fed. And they go and you can find pictures on the internet of these kids.

So I’m talking to Annika and, uh, unbelievable, uh, kind of experienced trauma. Uh, kind of a yogi. I’m a yogi. She’s into that now and has used that as part of her healing kind of thing. But the, the thread there that’s, that’s interesting is at some point I go. Is, but you know, is this Satanic? And she goes, yes it is Satanic.

Now I’m not a Christian, Johnny. I, I mean I was raised Christian, but I, I don’t believe that satanic in the biblical sense gets us there. But there are these people that, it’s not about energy exchange, it’s about mm-hmm. them specifically trying to do something. And you know what? I tie it to course if I can’t to jump around here, let look cuz I really wanted to get here and I wanna make sure we get there.

So let me pull this up cuz we could talk about this fricking for an hour. Unbelievable. In your, uh, Schwab family values kind of thing. It’s a brief history of the Jewish persecution in Raven, which where Uncle Klaus is from now. One of the things that jumped out at me is blood libel. Do, do you wanna, do you wanna tell people what fucking, the craziness that, what blood liable is?

[00:39:03] Johnny Vedmore: Back in the day, people were very crazy about stuff. So when, when something happened where people started accusing other people of being a witch or, uh, of some worshiping, some sort of like, um, black magic, uh, it was done with loads of these words we don’t really use nowadays.

Uh, but with, with, in this case in particular, they were saying that Jewish people were, um, sacrificing babies, uh, to obviously their moak or their, their, their sort of devil. That’s what specifically this blood libel was about. ,

[00:39:42] Alex Tsakiris: . Here’s where you didn’t take it, that I want to take it and see where you go is.

One, it’s about the Jews. And then number two, this is rebooted by the Nazis, right? So this is like 13th century. They’re going, Hey, the Jews are doing this crazy thing because it’s already been done for hundreds of years. We’ve been sacrificing kids all the time. The thematic element that they’re building on here is not new.

That we’re gonna get together and we’re gonna, you know, lik or whoever, we’re gonna take these mm-hmm. , we’re gonna take these little kids and we’re gonna sacrifice them. But now they’re directing it at, , the Jews. And we wanna pick up on it like it’s a Nazi thing. It’s not, it’s a Christian. It’s a, it’s a, a Martin Luther thing. Have you ever read what Martin Luther, the founder of the Protestant church, the guy who goes and nails

[00:40:33] Johnny Vedmore: the guy who translates the Bible into like, pain, a death and like they, they threatened, same with Ty and translating the Bible into, uh, to English.

So these, these were like groundbreaking times where people were doing the things that they weren’t allowed to do. Like, so,

[00:40:50] Alex Tsakiris: but, but so deconstruct that for a second. So, uh, Martin Luther goes and actually has a chance to read the Bible and says, Hey, all the shit that the Catholic church is telling us, it is an in there.

So he goes and says, Hey, everyone should be exposed to the Bible. But what the Bible tells us is that . I don’t want people to take this the wrong way. It tells us what I think is this completely false narrative about this historical Jesus figure that really doesn’t add up. But the way that story comes down is that these Jews are the bad guys from Jump Street.

, they’re the ones who killed, uh, Jesus, right? So they went to Ponchos pilot, and Ponchos Pilot said, Hey man, The guy looks good to me, but if you Jews wanna kill him, the stain is on you forever. This is the origin of the whole Jewish thing. Yeah. And we don’t get back to that, and we don’t get back to that narrative and looking whether that narrative is true.

And we have archeological evidence that it isn’t true as a bunch of, as along with the fact that anyone who’s looked at it logically says, Hey, there’s no historical evidence to suggest

[00:41:55] Johnny Vedmore: that. Well, Joseph Fs, Joseph Fs, I think Joseph, oh, Jo, I I, if I was pronouncing his name right. Um, Josephus. But Josephus, well, there’s, there’s a couple of people who around a certain time in the, the, uh, Roman world decided to adopt part of Christianity into their own images for their own sort of brand.

And, and I think, uh, he’s one of the p people who helped color that, uh,

[00:42:23] Alex Tsakiris: , I mean, this is kind of my thing, one of my things, but Joseph see is a really interesting character. Do you know any of the story of Josephus?

[00:42:31] Johnny Vedmore: Just a couple of little bits. Just a couple of little, so, so just

[00:42:34] Alex Tsakiris: Josephus is, uh, he’s Jewish and he’s a general and, uh, Visian.

That who is gonna become the next Caesar is sent over to clean up Judea, right? And he lands in Galilee. And Galilee happens to be where Josephus is. The general. So one thing leads to another. This is Josephus account. The, the, I’ll, I’ll kind of give a little hint here. Josephus can only be understood as a propaganda agent for the Romans.

Now, I’ve had leading historians come on, and biblical historians and just regular historians, PhDs come on and, and verified that no one argues with that. Josephus begins to write this. He, he’s basically turned, he’s flipped, right? So the spacing comes in and says, Uh, you’re gonna die or you’re gonna help me.

I mean, that’s our interpretation of it. The way Josephus spins it in his story is that no, he goes into a cave and everyone commits suicide. And then he has this revelation. And his revelation is that the basian is the Messiah that the Jewish people have been waiting for. Yeah. That he actually writes this down.

This is in War of the Jews, the most famous book that Josephus wrote. And what so many scholars rely on is the history of that time. Cuz even though they’ll all admit its propaganda, it’s the best account we have of what happens. So he’s not inventing Christianity at this point. What he’s doing is he’s trying to mess with Judaism just as a, as a siop, right?

So he’s telling the Jews of which he’s won that your religion, you’re waiting for this Messiah. Well, I tell you what, one of your Proverbs actually predicts that thespian will be the Messiah. And here he is. So it, it, it, it’s, it, it gets much, much more complicated cuz then a few hundred years later we have Constantine.

Mm-hmm. . And you know, the funny thing, not to digress you far, but you, the reason we know a lot of this stuff about Josephus is because we have the arch Titu. You can go to Rome and you can see the freaking Arche Titu. It’s still there. It’s this big rock and it shows all these Romans and they got the star of David and they have all this gold and silver and stuff like that that they’ve cha they’ve taken from jute Judea with the sacking of Judea.

And then 300 years later we have the arch of Constantine. But you know, the, the thing about Constantine, what they say is that Constantine, this famous story is Constantine is the, the father of the Christian Church, if you believe kind of the narrative. And Constantine comes to this river crossing and he’s gonna have this big battle, you know, this story, you know, and he sees a cross in the sky and he sees that as a.

Image in a, his conversion happens and he win, wins the battle. And then he says, okay, we should convert. And he mm-hmm. converts the empire to Christianity. That’s not true. , you could just go through the archeology. There’s no crosses on the arch of Constantine. There’s no crosses.

[00:45:50] Johnny Vedmore: Mm-hmm. . Well, most of the, most of these, uh uh, I mean, propaganda has been way people think that we are different, so much different now than we were a thousand years ago, 2000 years ago.

And everybody’s mobile. We might have all of these gadgets and technology and boxes and luggage piled up all over the place. But all of it is pretty meaningless. When you get right down to the brass tax, you’ve got only the ability to look better to someone to also create an idea that you are indistinguishable for magic, basically, that you are, you are worth investing in, and that they should give you all of their stuff.

And that’s what we’ve got from History. Immoral is people who are trying to brand. What does that

[00:46:31] Alex Tsakiris: say about the reset? One of the angles I was gonna take on this interview is that your work inadvertently pulled me out of the abyss with the great reset, which is pretty impossible to do cuz it’s so dark.

And what they’re doing is so obvious and so revealed. But you know what pulls me out a little bit is just the crazy humanness of Klaus Schwab and Henry Kissinger. Mm-hmm. , you know, like I I, I’ve heard your excellent interview with Greg from Higher Side Chats and you were talking about screwed up families, you know, particularly Klaus Schwab and, uh, you know, how his family background and, but it’s human.

It’s like, I get it. Yeah. And, and that also on another level, it’s like, uh, you will own nothing and you’ll be happy. Is that, tell me this, is that the worst freaking marketing slogan in history? I mean, you couldn’t, you couldn’t shop that and, and, and come up with a worst thing that you could. And now they’ve tried to scrub it from the internet, but it won’t scrub because nothing can really be scrubbed.

The fact that they, the fact that they can make that kind of mistake, that kind of misstep is a ray of hope. The fact that Henry Kissinger is a bonafide fricking World War II war

[00:47:55] Johnny Vedmore: hero. Okay. Okay. Wait 1, 1, 1 second. One second. Cuz Kissinger there. Yeah. He, he, he created like the idea of really, really fundamentally of limited warfare, perpetual limited warfare.

And he discovered that you have to create something that explodes and is, is dangerous and kills to be able to get along with all of this other stuff over here while people are distracted over there. And in a sense, that’s what Klaus Schwab, uh, is and his gang do with a sentence like, you’ll own nothing and be happy.

It’s so abusive and horrible that you start from a bottom row. It’s troll. I think it’s trolling well, well to an extent, but it’s making people think, no, I want more than that. And then they’re instantly in this frame of mind of more than that is better. , you know, it instantly flips into, oh, I want to own more than nothing and be happy.

There you go. That’s what I’m have, it’s,

[00:48:53] Alex Tsakiris: It’s trolling, it’s flexing and it’s signaling. And I got those from you. And I didn’t see that before. I, I modified ’em slightly, but one that, that you pointed out. First of all, it’s signaling, you know, I’m in fucking Dao, Switzerland.

Hamburgers are $50 a piece or 50, you know what I mean? There’s no, I will own nothing kind. It’s the, that’s, but I’m signaling to my people that, Hey, this is how we talk to these people. This is what they mean. But it’s also flexing in that same way. It’s saying, I can get away with this. We can just rub it in their face.

It’s flexing. I can do this stuff. And it’s also trolling because you like to troll. We all like to troll. We all like to get a reaction outta people, and he likes to get a reaction.

[00:49:39] Johnny Vedmore: I think if you’re not very good at comedy, you, you end up trolling. And so most of the people who want power aren’t very good at comedy and usually end up being trolls that they may go together.

Well, you know, the other

[00:49:53] Alex Tsakiris: place I was going with Kissinger is like, you didn’t go all the way there, but if you go into the background of Kissinger, Fricking World War II Hero. I mean, legitimate war hero. Yeah. Yeah. Not like any bullshit, like legitimate Battle of the Bulge, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Battle of the Bulge.

Before Battle of the Bulge, he carries a gun into battle. He’s there, you know, and say, I would say,

[00:50:17] Johnny Vedmore: I would say totally psychologically scarred from being right in the center of load of battles. And afterwards, he’s the guy who’s kicking in doors and looking for the Nazis, like he’s heading up like groups after the war going his project paper,

[00:50:31] Alex Tsakiris: his project Paperclip.

Was project

[00:50:33] Johnny Vedmore: paper clip much later. But right at the end of the ward, the first people through your door was Henry Kissinger. And, and, and his boys. If you were, uh, generals and stuff hiding away,

[00:50:44] Alex Tsakiris: they Exactly. So, so your gustapo, we’re gonna find out. We’re gonna find out, but, but very quickly, your project paperclip and, but this is a 21 year old kid.

This is a kid who leaves Germany three days before crystal knock. I mean, you can’t forget that either. And he comes over to, uh, New York and it’s this segregated thing. You, you are Jewish, you walk on the other side of the street cause those kids will beat you up, you know, and he doesn’t speak English. I mean, there’s so many things to admire about this guy, but he goes totally dark.

I mean, we’re gonna talk, we’re gonna talk back about you and how you wind up with Chile, but man, he don’t land. Uh, you know, you’re Henry cuz you don’t make any stops in, uh, Santiago. Right? Because isn’t he still a wanted criminal down there? War .

[00:51:31] Johnny Vedmore: Yeah. I, listen, he’s a criminal. He should be a criminal in every single country on Earth.

But

[00:51:37] Alex Tsakiris: he was tried, he was tried in in Chile, wasn’t he? Or they tried to.

[00:51:40] Johnny Vedmore: Yeah. I, I, I don’t know too much about the ca I know, I, I, the last thing I looked about Kissinger in South America was him helping to fix the Argentinian World Cup.

[00:51:50] Alex Tsakiris: , how did you wind up with Chile? In, in Chile? And, and how did, uh, how did Whitney wind up in Chile too?

How did you both,

[00:51:56] Johnny Vedmore: well, whi Whitney was here. Whitney was here first. She had, uh, she, she had started to make a life down here. And we met and we went into doing, I mean, we are basically into the same sort of stuff, completely. Like not only writing, but how we research and then all of the other things in life we get on really well with.

So we just hit it off really quickly. And it was a case that Covid broke out. Uh, COVID broke out and all of the. Process started and it came to a point where we realized that I, if I stayed in Britain, I was gonna be stuck in Britain. So I went over to Chile and uh, through Covid, I’d been kicked out in the country at times where I’ve not been allowed in.

It is better to say, um, where they, they pretended their embassy was open in London, um, and they wouldn’t let me back in. But basically, uh, I, I’m applying for temporary residence, uh, residency down here at the moment cuz the last time I went back to Britain, I was just, I was so disappointed. Everybody’s in a state of shock there, it seems to me.

They’re all walking around with this dumb look on their face going, oh no, everything’s fine, everything’s fine, everything’s fine over and over again and hoping that everything’s fine. But the stories I was hearing were, were people who just hadn’t come to terms with what had just happened over the previous two years.

The kids were outta control. Um, there was fires going on in the park outside the, the, the house I was staying at. Um, and I, I’d lived there for like eight, nine years beforehand and it’d always been a really nice place. And it just turned into a place where gangs of kids were roaming around and being nerdy wells, as we say, being bad, being like I was when I was young and, uh,

Uh, but, but the thing is, is Cardiff isn’t that, uh, Britain anymore? You know, it’s not, it’s not the same. It’s, it, it, it went up in the world a little bit, you know? It, it got a little bit of prestige, a bit of money invested in it, and, uh, and, and it was really sad to see. So Chile has just become a better place, a much better place to hang out.

Much better place.

[00:54:15] Alex Tsakiris: So anything particular about Chile or how did you wind up there?

[00:54:19] Johnny Vedmore: Just, uh, me and Whitney, we just, um, we hit it off. So, uh, we live down in Chile now. We got a kid. Um, we, uh, live amongst the volcanoes, so life is pretty groovy down here. You know, it is just, just seems like the right place

[00:54:37] Alex Tsakiris: you guys live in.

You live in Sania. No, no, no, no, no, no. Because that’s a pretty rough Oh my, that’s

[00:54:42] Johnny Vedmore: a pretty rough place. Oh, I went, I did, um, I did a, an audit there recently. Um, when I couldn’t go into America, when Whitney did her book to, uh, around America with a couple of platforms, I, I was like, uh, uh, I stuck in in Chile cause I couldn’t leave or I’d have to have all of these tests come back.

Um, so I went right up, first of all to Santiago and I did some police auditing, so I got, The, the camera. And I went round and I, I looked for police to video, uh, to see how they reacted to the, the whole, uh, process of being filmed, uh, which is what police auditing is about. And, uh, and I ended up getting a attack by a couple of tramps, uh, while I was, uh, there was a couple of

[00:55:25] Alex Tsakiris: tramps.

Oh, you’re, you’re, you’re on your way to getting thrown out of there, aren’t you? Yeah,

[00:55:29] Johnny Vedmore: I know, right? That’s straight away. Uh, but then I went up to Eureka, which is right at the Norfolk Chile by the Bolivia Peru border. And, uh, and I stayed up there for a couple of weeks and it’s like the most rundown, uh, rife with drugs, no one’s employed.

The beach was beautiful, but completely empty because it’d been completely decimated over covid. And, uh, and I, I walked around and I, uh, I videoed around there for a bit and that was a really like, whew, huts up on the hills. Like, you know, people don’t have anything, they don’t have any, not, not two pennies to rub together, as they’d say.

Um, so the north of of Chile is much different than, uh, the mid and the south, cuz of course when you go south, you get down to the penguins and Patagonia and That’s right. You know, you’ve gone too far. If you see penguins, , that’s, that’s, that’s my, uh, my, but in the middle. You’ve got some really nice places, loads of lakes.

Uh, you’ve got a run of volcanoes. So there’s a volcano near us where, which is always smoking. It looks beautiful. Uh, it’s a really nice place to live. Um, and it, it, it’s a bit of a, you know, when you have things like, uh, volcanoes and stuff, you’ve got all around, you’re around ski, ski holidays and exploring holidays, so you got loads of tourists around here and, uh, that attracts lots of funny people, but lots of like nice little restaurants and things.

There’s, uh, Chili’s is pretty, the people are, the people are interesting, but they seem really like they’re outside all of the troubles of the world. And we like that. But in the same way, sometimes when Covid happened, every man, woman, and child was covered with a mask and looking down and scared about, uh, like, did not want to have to argue Pinache

[00:57:20] Alex Tsakiris: man.

Pinoche. What kind of, what kind of trauma does that Yeah. Put into a culture. Right? Crazy. Yeah. Crazy. Crazy. And that’s, and that’s, that’s Henry, that’s Henry’s. Candy was Henry’s

[00:57:30] Johnny Vedmore: boy. Yeah. Well, well, he, he did a lot of, like, there’s a lot of, in different parts of the world, Henry Kissinger, uh, supported different regimes and pretended that he wasn’t sometimes.

So like in Pakistan, they pretended that they were tough on Pakistan. At the same time they were helping Pakistan with everything and Kissinger was setting up with Jack Gal brief for Bento to be trained, uh, through Harvard and, um, and eventually put into power where she would act like she was anti-American for an actual fact.

She wasn’t. And what happens to her? Anybody who works with Kissinger, uh, for long enough gets, uh, the boot eventually, I’m sure apart from Schwab.

[00:58:09] Alex Tsakiris: Well, you know, I, I, there’s so many ways to go with this that I haven’t even gone, but you, you know, one of the things I wonder is if you look at Kissinger and you look at that awesome article that you did, Dr. Klaus Schwab, or how the CRF taught me to stop worrying and Love the Bomb, which is right out of, , Dr. Strangelove. And you identify the guy who really is Dr. Strange Love, and it’s not Kissinger, which is interesting cause a lot of people used to think it was, uh, Kissinger.

And, uh, it, it, this is gi give people the, this, the thumbnail sketch on this because when we’re talking about Pinache and we’re talking about this stuff that he does in the cia, it’s not as crazy as it is normally portrayed. And it particularly plays into the, maybe not as crazy part of the World Economic Forum.

Not to say that the World Economic Forum isn’t evil of a first order, but it’s like, there’s like this twisted crazy logic to it that is kind of revealing in, in a way that you do it. Give us the, the quick thumbnail sketch of this.

[00:59:21] Johnny Vedmore: Okay. Well, well is what’s really interesting about, um, Kissinger is that he, uh, takes people and he gives them the right people to help.

Him go along. But in a sense, everything Kissinger does isn’t Kissinger’s really. Uh, and in this case it, there was a, um, a seminar, Harvard’s international seminar that was originally set up by William Yandel Elliot, who was a advisor to six presidents and was a, a real big, uh, c FFR Grandee Council on Foreign.

But this

[00:59:49] Alex Tsakiris: This is CIA from Jump. Yeah, yeah,

[00:59:52] Johnny Vedmore: yeah, a hundred percent. I mean, by 1967, uh, international’s, uh, KISS International Seminar was outed Humphrey Doman himself from Harvard, had to go into the Harvard Crimson and publish. Oh, look. Yes. Um, Between 1960 and 1966, Kissinger’s International Seminar was funded by the Farfield Foundation, uh, by the American Friends for the Middle East, um, and by the Asian Foundation.

Um, but they don’t mention the first 10 years, and that’s really limited. Limited

[01:00:21] Alex Tsakiris: hangout. Total limited hangout.

[01:00:23] Johnny Vedmore: Yeah. Yeah. And as soon as he got ex. Exposed cuz he was about to be exposed by newspapers. So they just came out of it. Now what I released the other day, uh, g Guido Goldman, the CFR and uh, and the German Marshall Fund, um, really explores much fervor to that.

So the, the moment that that, that got, uh, exposed, they, they went away and said, well, we gotta find another way to run leadership courses, which was what Harvard’s International Seminar, Kissinger’s international Seminar was. It was a young global leadership program. Uh, one of the first America had run Soviet.

It’s been running them for years. Run from 1950 to 1967. 1972, the German Marshall Fund is created and eventually you get the Marshall, uh, Memorial Fellowship. You get the till leadership network, you get uh, uh, uh, other ones, LA Leadership Lab. You get other ones come up. And that was again, set up by Kissinger.

Uh, and he put Guido Goldman and Stanley Hoffman, who were both, uh, underlings Po Kit Kissinger proteges working at the Harvard University, Guido government especially, um, put into the position, uh, of the German Marshall Fund. And they were given a very special assistant, which is a woman called Abby Collins, who’s not mentioned in the first articles I’ve written about the international seminar.

But she ran the international seminar. She completely run it at the end. She was the, the woman, she was an Asian American who basically. Ran it for Kissinger once it was completely off the ground. So the last years, especially while they were being funded by cia, a conduit, it was by Abby Collins, and she went straight over to the German article fund afterwards, basically.

And they continued the same thing, which still runs today and leads on.

[01:02:05] Alex Tsakiris: , here’s the part I want you to draw out kind of big picture part is that th this crazy mutual destruction kind of thing. Yeah. The way you lay it out, it actually kind of makes sense until you kind of cross correlate it with the fact that we almost blew each other, the fricking up We did.

[01:02:26] Johnny Vedmore: I mean, it almost happened. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it got crazy. It got really crazy. Uh, C FFR put in loads of working groups while this, uh, international seminars started running. The CIA were doing loads of things. So they were starting off their cos over in, in, uh, the Middle East, uh, against Soviet, uh, uh, like infiltration.

And they were doing other things, but they were, they, and they were starting off the seminar, but they were also concentrating on the nuclear arms race. And these people were really, really, Worked out that the, see, the, the, the Soviets could just launch a arm and everybody’s dead. And the Soviets are like, oh God, the Americans could launch a arm and everybody’s dead.

So, so they were both really scared. Everybody had all this propaganda, this duck and cover sort of stuff coming out at this from their TV screens, from the newspapers constantly. And they had, they had really pushed up the rhetoric. And in 1957 when, um, nuclear war and foreign policy got released from the C FFR working group, that Henry Kissinger released it, and it kind of said, okay, what would be better than all out nuclear war is that we have this slow perpetual warfare?

Well,

[01:03:31] Alex Tsakiris: let the guys in Cardiff go out in the alley. After a few pints and mm-hmm. , they’ll get it out of their system and then Thank you. You know, we can go on and tomorrow we’ll do the

[01:03:40] Johnny Vedmore: same thing.

That that is a, that is a for, and we’ve, we’ve, um, Herman Khan, he was like, well, they’re not gonna fire on us. We are not gonna fire on them. You know, for every, every finger pushing down on the button is like 14 hands, pulling that finger up. There’s so many safety mechanisms and it’s just very unlikely that we’re going to have this, but it’s like a, a stalemate.

So that kind of led people to realize that Henry Kissinger’s, uh, like previous four years before, uh, summation that, oh, we should maybe have this perpetual limited warfare that goes on all the time is much more likely to be the root to everything’s gonna go from this point on. Um, and, and yeah, but the idea that we could.

Destroy us, uh, each other. And Herman Kah is an extremely interesting figure. Um, worked for the Hudson Institute, uh, heading at the Hudson Institute. Uh, really funded a lot by the Rand Corporation. Um, he wrote, he worked for the State Department between 1966 and 1968, and he wrote this amazing paper, two papers at the time.

One was an ancillary document about educating leaderships outside the normal university, uh, uh, um, uh, processes. So like a young global leaders course. Uh, but also his more public document was called the, uh, uh, the year 2000. And he was looking at all the technology that could possibly, uh, be, be discovered, uh, in the net, uh, up until the year 2000.

[01:05:05] Alex Tsakiris: Something that Klaus does when he becomes, you know, because Klaus Klaus,

[01:05:10] Johnny Vedmore: yeah. He’s introduced to Herman Kahn as Hermann Kahn is writing this, this young technocrat. And I feel that the, the engine knew that the technocrats were going to be the, he, of course, he knew, they all knew the technocrat would be the future.

[01:05:27] Alex Tsakiris: ,

on a totally kind of, uh, straight up, uh, kind of level way, which you also play out. You know, like, this stuff is really dark, so I don’t wanna kind of, uh, uh, it’s not like I’m trying to sugarcoat these people. I’m just trying to, uh, help us understand them better.

Because I, I, I think your thing about if anyone takes out trolling, flexing signaling and just says, is there any truth to that? It softens this thing up a lot, I think, in a way that we can kind of more digest and handle that these guys are human. If you can look at the human in a very negative way, I mean, like criminal human, but still human.

But the other thing I was gonna say is like, you do that with Schwab. When you say he takes over daddy’s business, but he’s kick ass good at it, you know? And one of the things he sees from Harvard and all the rest of that is, this technology’s coming and we’re gonna apply it in our business and we’re gonna make a shitload of money because we’re gonna make a better, we’re gonna make a better business.

Cause we’re on top of it. We’re doing good stuff. We’re doing Harvard Business School kind of stuff.

[01:06:22] Johnny Vedmore: Hey, Klaus knows that wherever he is at this point, he’s got, at that point, he’s getting loads of, he’s loads of degrees, loads of extra degrees on top where he just turns up at a place and suddenly gets given a degree.

He’s, he’s invited to Kissinger’s International seminar, so it must have been that he had such a really, uh, amazing amount of, uh, qualifications.

[01:06:44] Alex Tsakiris: He’s got a ton of degrees, but he’s also smart. I mean, he’s on, he’s on his game too, right?

[01:06:48] Johnny Vedmore: Yeah. No, no. Schwab Schwab’s a really intelligent, uh, guy. He’s got all of these degrees. He, he’s going places. Um, and he gets invited to this seminar, which is a real big deal, um, because it, it puts him on the world stage. So it doesn’t matter which companies he’s in to Schwab, Schwab’s going to make a big thing.

Himself, wherever he is, he’s going to be successful. And he had learned that he was interested. He was a technocrat from the off. And I think that’s partially cuz Kissinger and other people said, right, you are a technocrat, technocracy is a future. You go get your prize. And your prize is this world that no one else is aware of yet you, you are looking, when I go troll through the archives, I’m reading these, uh, stories about, look, this computer can come up with this answer.

Oh, this computer can come up with this answer. Then it’s, uh, suddenly the computer’s revolutionized financial industry then it’s revolutionized the world with the internet. An internet commerce, an information highway, and then it’s something else. And they were already aware of this because of Herman Kahn’s research.

And Kissinger had given Herman Kahn and John Kenneth Greer’s mentors for Schwab. So Schwab already had the person with him that was going to take him to that place where he was going to be at the king of the technocrats. And I think that, that, that Crown is going to, uh, he can’t live forever. At the moment, but , but it, it maybe, maybe that what they really want and what he’s talked about and what other people around him has talked about is storing your consciousness up into the cloud and, you know, all of these ideas that come with the transhumanist.

So he’s become from a technocrat to a pure transhumanist. And I think that the, the, uh, he doesn’t matter how many crimes he’s committed or how many things he does wrong, Klaus Schwab is gonna get waive it. Cause when he dies, a new person who will be the anti Klaus but will agree with nearly everything Klaus Schwab says and does, will be the person to take over, you know, to take over the dream of all of these people who see this technology around maybe, I think TAUs Schwab fitted a, fitted a a like a a certain era.

He was the right man for that certain era and he did a really

[01:09:12] Alex Tsakiris: good job. May maybe he, here’s here a couple things I wanted to bounce off you as we’re kind of eventually will run out of time here. The clock is moving quickly, but, um, I see some wrinkles in the playbook. I, I, I heard you on, uh, higher side chats and I think you made a pretty compelling case that I often make, which is like, if you wanna count these guys down, uh, you, you, you’re like, they haven’t even begun to pull out any of the trick plays.

They’re just running the basic Yeah, yeah. You know, the basic stuff at this point. But, but. There’s different stuff that doesn’t line up your piece on the Russian thing. Let me pull that up. Okay,

But what, what blew me away here is, uh, Putin’s in the club, right? He’s a global leader guy, but now he’s out of the club. Now he’s getting scrub from the club because of Ukraine.

Doesn’t exactly fit with the, the program that they’re trying to run. And it starts revealing maybe the Cardiff thing in the, in the alley where you know now suddenly a couple of my mates come up and like, no bro, we stand together on this thing. And one guy says, no, we’re not gonna play that way.

So the globalist thing kind of breaks down what you play out in this article, which I’ll try and bring some pieces into this conversation so it has some context, but like they are like doing a flip where they’re taking the world economic forum, crazy reset stuff, and they’re doubling down on it. They’re taking it way to the next level of we’re just gonna surveil everyone and we’re Russia, and we can get away with this.

And meanwhile, the Schwab and the cia, which is this really about U S A U S A, they’re pumping the brakes and they’re going, whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait a minute. Now, so this isn’t part of the program, is it? I mean, that’s my read. .

[01:11:00] Johnny Vedmore: Um, I think that it’s a case, sir, if you, uh, as a nation, as a people, uh, as a Russians in general, have be constantly been undermined by this west.

And it’s got to a point where, I mean, you had floods of NGOs around every single country that surrounds your country and it’s taken, they’ve taken political control and nearly every single one of those countries. And you’ve got no, it’s like you’ve got the cultural borders, that’s all you’ve got left. Uh, and they’re all afraid and they’re at breaking point.

And they’re pushing further and further. Well, you’ve gotta realize that you are on the losing side and you’ve been on the losing side for a long side at a time because you haven’t been watching what the other guys are doing

[01:11:42] Alex Tsakiris: you’ve been watching.

There’s just nothing you can do about it. Yeah, I mean, it’s about, it’s about controlling the currency and we own the currency. Usa USA if we wanna continue to own the currency, USAs usa. So now, Uh, when Russia says, well, maybe you don’t own the currency. Maybe I can get together with China and Brazil and Indian.

Maybe we can come up. That ain’t gonna fly. But the part that I want you to particularly hone in on, which as article does, is they’re on board with the World Economic Forum technocratic craziness of all this stuff completely. And they completely, I mean, they, and they put that, but now they’re, now they’re on the outs.

So how do you do that? How do they, they take it and they go, oh, this is great. We have more, we have more surveillance cameras than anybody. If we could lock down all our people, we can take this to the max. Now, what happens when they become your enemy? I think there’s a glimmer of hope there where the globalist thing kind of breaks down a little bit, where you kind of are pointing at ’em like North Korean going, Hey, nobody wants that.

Let’s make sure we’re, we’re not that. So by Russia going over the top, is there a wedge in the globalist?

[01:12:46] Johnny Vedmore: So with Russia, what they’ve done is they’ve, they like the, the guy who, uh, runs Spur Bank, I forget his name. He’s the guy, he’s the guy who’s basically pushed forward. The same thing that Elon Musk is talking in America, like the everything sort of app, have everything on one app.

All your bank, all your bills, all your shopping, everything you do on this one thing, you don’t get to go outside this app. That’s the start of like real, real serious social control. And, and it’s been snuck in over here and I see that as cultural. In a lot of cultures, they have to sneak these things in, in China and Russia, you don’t have to be so sneaky cuz the people know you’re sneaking.

So you just stomp around and they’re not in control anyway. So the, they, they’re, they’re trying to get ahead of what the Americans want to do and what the west wants to do. They’re trying to get ahead of them. Now, if they do, that could be a winner. That could be a winner, but did this society they’re creating is one which is, uh, everybody looking inwards and not outwards.

And that doesn’t necessarily suggest that there’s going to be massive global war or conflict because everybody’s more likely to be stuck in their one place and people not wanting people to move around and would want other people probably to be scared of the people who were next door to different countries next door.

And just keeping that fear with their information. And what we see in Russia, what we see in China is a race to what the American model, uh, was mapped out by these people in the past, by these technocrats, like the Western model. And we see a lot of the fight between them is now like battles to do the same thing first.

And that’s why I think Ukraine’s happened because it’s got down to the point where friction’s rubbing together the, the, that’s the breaking point. Ukraine has been flooded with more NGOs than any other country in the region. They knew that it, it had really strong Russian re uh, uh, regions and would, would incite, uh, a split a potential civil war.

Um, and it’s perpetual war. You’re not seeing proper warfare over there. If you’re see proper warfare, Russia has taken Ukraine over in a week and a half and just rolled in. Or if you see proper warfare, that is what you would see. And you’re not seeing that at all. You’re seeing they take a bit and they lose it again.

And over here they take a bit and they lose it again. And that’s Kissinger’s perpetual warfare. And they are all playing under the same, the same game, but they’re all competing still. But the winner, the taking all isn’t actually all globalism is just like the first one to get to. Globalism will probably have a little bit of say on how it goes in the future and that it’ll be beneficial to them.

But in actual fact, they don’t know either. They’re just trudging towards the thing they think they need to trudge towards because that’s what they’ve been told. And they’re in the mindset and everything around them. Stalin, that’s what the other people are doing. So they’re playing a game. And that game may be destructive for us down here, um, but it’s a slow process.

It’s gonna go on for a long time. What

[01:16:04] Alex Tsakiris: do you think of this? What do you think of this?

[01:16:06] Johnny Vedmore: Yeah. I, I, I, I see what, what, and this is, I, I’ve talked with a few people in the independent media and behind the scenes as well, and most of the, the, the feeling is that we’re, we’re, we’re gonna see, the thing that we are gonna see next is some sort of fake war between countries, because all of this stuff, bro, this ain’t fake ,

I’m talking about fake nuclear attack. I’m talking about this going maybe or

[01:16:31] Alex Tsakiris: China. I’m a, I’m an AI guy, artificial intelligence guy, so I, I was in the PhD program for artificial intelligence.

I left to start an AI company. I started an AI company way back in the day when we were doing expert systems. Sold. It became a one percenter after a few, uh, investments. I know this stuff and I don’t know it. I don’t know it like really, really know it, but I know it enough to kind of fumble through it. No, bro, the AI thing is real now, right?

So the machine learning thing is real. You cut off these chips from China. It is the oil embargo. Against Japan. That starts World War ii. Mm-hmm. , I mean mm-hmm. . It is full on.

[01:17:12] Johnny Vedmore: Yeah. But you know, you know that no one wants to risk the biscuits. They know what it leads to. They have, it would lead to the thing that they ha This is what always comes round in my mind.

It always leads to, when you look at it tactically, strategically, you’d end up saying, well, the only way is to make our own people afraid and believe everything like that’s going on and it doesn’t really matter anyway. And we’ll fake some form of big nuclear war going on in the far off distance. And everybody’s crapping themselves cuz Oh, finally it’s here.

And people don’t realize that thousands of nuclear warheads have been detonated on this, uh, uh, earth already. Uh,

[01:17:52] Alex Tsakiris: Take the nuclear thing out of it for a minute. This is about our crypto versus everyone else’s crypto. Right. The United States currency is a crypto, it’s a fiat currency, it’s a crypto.

Right. But we wanna, our crypto , it’s our crypto. Mm-hmm. We wanna have control of it. So what this is about, to me, the thing with China and the thing with Russia, Don’t mess with our crypto, it’s our crypto that runs the world right now. As long as we can keep that in order. So China stepped outta line a little bit and it’s just pulling on the chain and going, no, you’re not gonna do that.

And it’s also, but

[01:18:25] Johnny Vedmore: CBCs are gonna wipe this all away. And

[01:18:28] Alex Tsakiris: if, well, as long as, as long as art crypto comes out on top from a United States standpoint, these guys, the the guys we’re talking about, that’s what they care about. Because, so if I see it, the global thing is kind of show is is kind of showing how it doesn’t, it doesn’t really fit.

I mean, Klaus Schwab is not really a globalist. He’s working for the fricking CIA is what he’s doing. Yeah,

[01:18:52] Johnny Vedmore: yeah, that’s right. Advance. This is. Yeah, this is a technocratic push to get to a, a technology arms race as quickly as possible. Really that’s is technological arms race. We we’re, we are in something that’s been going on for a long time.

Um, once a once we got, this is why the . Atomic age was so important. Once we got to that level of technology, it was a real, like signal to everybody in charge that all of the rest of the stuff is coming. And very quickly, cuz technological growth is basically exponential. And if you, and believe that, if you truly believe that the route we’re heading in 10 years is insane, it’s in crazy what, what we’re, what we’re going towards.

Now. I’m really intrigued to say a and ask you, well, you know, what do we think we’re going, are we going towards, are we already at quantum enabled computer, uh, computing? Are we already at quantum computing?

[01:19:47] Alex Tsakiris: I heard you mention that on the, on the higher side chats, and it’s like, I was like, bro, you, you, you have it.

. So a qubit is the way we measure quantum computing, and they’ve made, uh, exponential growth in that just every month they’re increasing it. And they say that a hundred qubit , is more powerful than all the supercomputers in the world right now. So what does that all mean?

[01:20:06] Johnny Vedmore: What does that all mean? Every single Well, what it means, what it means, every single cbdc, every single crypto, every single piece of technology that they’re about to fight over every nuclear just becomes water. It becomes, well, Johnny,

[01:20:20] Alex Tsakiris: Johnny Comparison. Well, Johnny, you, you put your finger on it on one of the articles you wrote.

Again, brilliant. You, you brought this piece to the front about how the, their first, which, which flies under the radar. No one was talking about this. You wrote this two years ago, which is security. So, right. So the first thing you wanna do with your AI is hack everybody else. So you wanna do Promise Software 10.0 where now everyone has their pants down and everyone can be looked at.

I’ll pull up that article for people after the show so they can see it. But it’s phenomenal. But then you take that, you know what, what Elon has said, and here’s another thing, like, I don’t know what the. I don’t know what to make of Elon, but I don’t know how you read the Twitter files as anything other than a step forward.

I mean, it’s like there’s no, I don’t see the alternative motive play there in revealing that. Let me, lemme me, lemme put that aside, lemme put that aside for a minute. Cause I wanna get back to the, to the AI thing. What I saint you, and maybe I’ll share this with people, is I did the Jet G P T thing on Johnny and it’s like, it’s like a joke.

It’s like hilarious. But what it points out is something that Elon said, again, I’m not a big Elon guy, but you gotta, I think take, take the complicated aspects of people and stuff like that. But what Elon said is we’re all gonna need our own ai. And I think he’s right because chat g p T is down the tank.

It is down the tank in terms of its bias. You type in chat G P T and maybe they’ll do this session and add it to the video. Great. Reset. It’s like, I don’t know, you do chat. There’s a classic one. You do chat G P t, you will own nothing and you will be happy. Chat G P T. I, I don’t have, I don’t know

[01:22:10] Johnny Vedmore: what that is.

I don’t have any . I don’t, uh, the ai, ai overlords don’t, don’t, don’t exactly. You’re talking.

[01:22:17] Alex Tsakiris: Exactly. I mean, you just, I mean, it’s so, it’s so transparent. All you have to do is go over to go over to, uh, Google and, you know, it’s like, okay, here it is. Forbes, you know, here it is, where they tried to scrub it, the original Twitter post way back machine.

But then interestingly enough, like I said to you, go over to ch uh, uh, chat, sonic another AI and type in the same thing, and it lays it all out. It says, oh, this is, people were really upset about that because you know what? Orwellian and all the rest of that, so Elon looks pretty prophetic there. We’re gonna need our own ai, our own machine learning to sort through.

They’re completely controlled. But if they’re that far ahead of the curve, where, cuz the, the pitch they’re making about the machine learning chat, g p t is that, oh, it’s, it’s out of control now. It’s just, you know, doing its own thing. Well, apparently not. I mean, apparently they can reign it in and focus it to say what

[01:23:12] Johnny Vedmore: they want to say.

They can. Yeah, they can. I I, what we are seeing is lots of, uh, phenomenon all over the place that look good, look like the real thing. And this is, oh, that doesn’t look good to in culture and society. No, but I mean, how it acts and how it, how it, how it functions, looks like it’s working. That’s the same in culture as web is within technology.

It’s like mimicking all over, it seems like the bread and circuses moment of a civilization. That’s where I keep coming to the conclusion of, we’re coming to the end of ideas for this period of our human existence and we’re gonna need some of our ideas if we’re gonna get over these, I dufus, dicks, I dunno, whatever you want to call ’em, the, uh, running society with Elon Musk.

I’ve gotta say out loud. I I, there’s parts of me that like him and there’s parts of me that hate him, but I can tell you if you think he’s a prophet, it’s only, and this is to everybody, it’s only because you haven’t read certain things that if you had already read, you’d be like, oh yeah, someone else said that.

And someone else said that. And someone else said that. Someone else said that. What he is very good at is having people map out and game out and think himself a, analyze a situation, how it’s going to pla play out eventually, especially when it comes to technology. He

[01:24:39] Alex Tsakiris: understands. I don’t fight onto all that, but, but tell me this, like, when we try and pin this stuff down, and this drives me nuts about the, uh, conspiracy community, and I’m not tagging this at all on you, but like, one of my goals is to kind of hold the conspiracy community, uh, accountable and not just go into this, oh, Elon Musk.

Oh, did you see this? His parents? Oh, you know, bro, you know, that’s so bullshit. What could explain the Twitter files from a, from a conspirator? I don’t see any display there. Okay. I don’t see

[01:25:13] Johnny Vedmore: any play. I’ll tell you. I’ll tell you, I’ll tell you. I’ll tell you. Quite simply, you’ve got a load of information that you need out, you’ve got control of all, and you’re not Elon Musk.

This isn’t Elon Musk. This is someone else. This is intelligence. They are in control of everything. They’ve got their, they’re men in here. They’re men in there. They, they’re, they can pull a string here, pull a string there, and they can, uh, they get to a point where they end an operation, uh, or an operation is, is going to be exposed.

They are looking at all the chatter. They see all of the chatter all around telling them that this is about to be exposed. No one else has seen that chatter because these guys are listening to lots of things and they decide we can expose it in whichever way we like. But the best way would be. To flip the ownership of the company, make the people in the company that you want to keep running look like the heroes.

By releasing the information, you kind of whitewash it. It goes out of it. This happens. This is like intelligence resets. I feel this with Snowden as well, and I do feel this with Snowden, that you’ve got to a point where Snow, that operation needed, was about to come out, about to be known and you needed to release it.

So why not have somebody then you can put out, that then becomes central to all of these people who are looking over there and not looking at what you’re doing next. Because these programs are always stop gaps. They always, but Johnny

[01:26:40] Alex Tsakiris: Number ones looking over there. No one’s looking over there in, in a way that’s evidence for what I’m saying is that, uh, you know, they were evidence

[01:26:49] Johnny Vedmore: that they’re successful, evidence that they’re successful

[01:26:52] Alex Tsakiris: can’t, you can’t have it both ways.

Operation you, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t come out and with Twitter files and just. Verify what has been rumored for this whole time, which is the, the fourth estate just doesn’t exist.

[01:27:06] Johnny Vedmore: But everybody knew. Everybody knew every, everybody knew. Everybody knew. I mean, the thing is, everybody says doing, all they’re doing is saving Twitter as an entity by having the people.

But it wasn’t about Twitter. They

[01:27:17] Alex Tsakiris: pushed out really quickly. The, the, the, the renovations really weren’t about Twitter. They were about Google, Facebook, and how they all work in concept and con

[01:27:25] Johnny Vedmore: concept and what’s happened, what’s happened about Google or Facebook or, or nothing. Or the rest of ’em. Yeah, nothing.

And, and unless they decide that that point has ended and they need to refresh it, and they have someone else come in, and it’s like a rebranding. So all I see with Elon Musk buying Twitter all of a sudden doing the Twitter files, everybody knows all the truth. Matt Taibbi, uh, and, and Vice, they’re, they’re, they’re heroes.

It’s all a narrative that you’ve chosen. I mean, Taibbi, he’s a guy who just like hates the conspiracy world. He hates a, he. He’s, he’s not. The side of the people, in my opinion.

[01:28:03] Alex Tsakiris: Uh, maybe, maybe. But what, what, take your other thing. I mean, let’s say, let’s say Elon does want to conquer the world from a business standpoint, which he clearly does.

I mean, he’s, he works incredibly hard at Tesla and has made unbelievable, uh, technology breakthroughs with that company. And I think it’s told bullshit. I don’t know why anyone would

[01:28:20] Johnny Vedmore: drop given to him, given to him, given to him if he give to Pastor Lord.

[01:28:26] Alex Tsakiris: You know? You know what? Like, look, I’m not a Twitter.

I’m not a a a a Elon guy. I don’t, but you know. No, no. PhD. PhD or, uh, undergraduate degree physics undergraduate, uh, business degree, uh, from Penn. Uh, you know, he’s not a Slod guy studying Stanford.

[01:28:44] Johnny Vedmore: There’s something there. There’s something Stanford, he drops, drops out there, right? Stanford. He drops out, he drops out of

[01:28:52] Alex Tsakiris: a, he drops out of a freaking PhD program.

[01:28:55] Johnny Vedmore: Yeah, I know, I know, I know. He dropped out. But what’s really interesting around that, that phase is that it, there’s like a, a couple of years, which you don’t get to see what he’s done or you have no evidence of what he’s done. Like no one has any evidence. And I looked through a load of articles and I found that saying that he had worked for Microsoft during that time.

And I found a couple of rumors about what people have said, but there was loads of Microsoft leadership programs going and Elon Musk, right? He’s not in saying that he’s probably not out for the best interest of humanity, uh, isn’t necessarily saying he’s not an intelligent guy. Uh, super high functioning intelligence, uh, I can’t quite understand in, in his realm.

And he doesn’t have a place. What,

[01:29:40] Alex Tsakiris: what would be the best interest of human? I mean, that’s back to Kissinger. Is, is, uh, mass, uh, mutual nuclear destruction in the best interest of humanity? Uh, Kissinger kind of convinced us, well, it maybe is, is in a twisted way. It, it kind of is. I I just think that this is the conspiracy stuff that kind of drives me nuts.

I don’t know what to make of, of Elon Musk, but the openness, .

[01:30:05] Johnny Vedmore: The two. That’s Brandon. His mum’s pr turning his mum’s, it’s turnings

[01:30:08] Alex Tsakiris: pr. She, but it’s real, but it’s real. He turns

[01:30:11] Johnny Vedmore: down the de deception when he comes up to 96, 97, 98. His mother’s working heavily on other people’s branding. And at the same time, her company’s working for, her, son’s working for a very successful company’s going to, that’s projected to be able to be sold for lots of money.

So he’s in a situation where he needs all of that branding help. And she’s very good at that. She’s very good at that. And he’s coming, he turned from being this geeky guy in school with some of the pictures you see of him is like, he’s like super geek. Uh, it’s beautiful. It’s like almost, it’s almost like someone’s drawn a character of him.

Yeah. Like of what you’d expect a guy like that to be like when he, this is Bill Gates. Um, yeah. Yeah. But, but he, he really does have this, uh, carefully crafted persona. This so Well, it’s so well for us. Yes. I mean, yes. And it’s, it’s, it’s really nuanced and slight, but it’s there. Well, it’s not that nuance together.

Well

[01:31:07] Alex Tsakiris: nuance. You can go watch him. You can go watch him on Joe Rogan and, and, and you can go watch him a

[01:31:12] Johnny Vedmore: million other places. He’ll conveniently smoke a blunt on there to show his humanity to the world. I know. Carefully. Carefully. I get it. I, it

[01:31:21] Alex Tsakiris: repeated. Get the cynicism. I totally get the cynicism.

Cynicism. I understand it. But the fact that. We, we, in the United States, we, we had the, we had the president of the United States DE Platform. From Twitter? Yeah. Do you realize what a total mind fuck that is to people still can’t wrap their head around? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You’re gonna say, you’re gonna say it’s the end of an operation.

I’m gonna say, uh, it, it’s, it’s, it’s, I don’t see the purpose of ending that operation.

[01:31:50] Johnny Vedmore: It’s the end of an operation. It’s a start of a new operation, is what I’m saying. It’s not the end of an operation. That operation is run really up. By exactly the same people. The Elon Musk gets his contracts, gets his tax breaks because he’s working with the Department of Defense, he’s working for the people and he knows they’re powerful enough to pick him out and throw him in the ocean.

And he’ll ne he’ll be remembered in the footnotes of history. But that’s all he will all where he’ll be, won’t be able to make his his. But his whole, look at his style, look at the way he’s been built. He’s turned from something to something really strange and significant that the whole world should take notice of.

And I find it really, I’m drawn to both the, the figures of Klaus Schwab and him as being the same cut from the same cloth. Uh, uh, two separate points in two separate eras, like two separate points in the history. So Kla Schwab’s coming to the end of his technocratic reign, and during that era it looked like that.

And I see Musk and the new technocrats and the building of the mega city being in the next era. And that’s gonna be people who are really, they don’t care about you at all. Oh, well none of them. None of them do you as meat. They course you as meat and they’ll.

[01:33:06] Alex Tsakiris: What we’re gonna, we’re gonna wrap this up. I if, do you, if there’s any way you can do this again, we should do it again.

Cause I’d love to,

[01:33:13] Johnny Vedmore: yeah, no. Hey, hey, hey. One of, one of the things is, is I’ve already seen positive change and I was expecting to see positive change, but I, I see it as also let’s jump on it, coins. But they, they, they’re also coins thrown by a guy passing in a carriage. Grab em, let’s grab em in, in a space carriage.

Hey,

[01:33:33] Alex Tsakiris: hey, the solution is this process of truth that you talked about from the very beginning. When you come down from the, the hills with the shrooms, it’s truth. And I, I think truth is spiritual. I think doubt is spiritual. Um, and I think we’re all on this spiritual journey and I think because of my research, cuz of the science that we’re all going to.

Judge ourselves at some point. Mm-hmm. . So we don’t need to worry about some mean God judging us. We are going to judge ourselves with this, this life will end and our consciousness will continue because that’s what the evidence says. And it’s said forever, every wisdom tradition throughout time. And le recently they’ve tried to refigure it.

No, it, maybe it doesn’t. Maybe you need to be up in the silicon. No fricking go talk to every wisdom tradition forever. Your consciousness doesn’t end with death. And there’s something in the death. I’m

[01:34:23] Johnny Vedmore: completely down with that. I’m completely down with that man. I, I believe, I believe it just keeps going.

I believe this. I, I, I believe there’s a whole load of energy just flying around place and we’ve got eyes to see things and we’ve got a body to feel things and all of this. But see if we can’t do anything about all of the energy all around the place, and it all means different things.

[01:34:43] Alex Tsakiris: Okay? I tell you what, let’s, let’s wrap this up would you think about, would you think about that?

How to take what you guys are doing and let’s test it. Twitter says, we’re open now. We’re open for business. Everyone can get this. We’re no more de platform. We’re no more playing this cat and mouse game on YouTube. Oh, don’t say that word. No. Elon says the door is open. Let’s walk through the door.

What do we need to do that? Who do

[01:35:11] Johnny Vedmore: we need to do that? I, I’ve been feeling, I’ve been feeling I’ve been, I, I, I try and do that all of the time. I try, I’m, I, I, I, but I, I don’t know how far to.

 

[01:35:22] Alex Tsakiris: I think the way to do it is to be upfront in saying we’re testing whether or not the , the gates are open. You said the gates are open. Here’s the truth. And we could just start with all the stuff you’ve done. Tell me what, what, we need to take unlimited hangout to Twitter on the next level and run ads and say,

[01:35:46] Johnny Vedmore: well, that’d be interesting. That’d be, I, I’ll have to talk to Whitney, but Yeah, I’ll, that’d be interesting because I mean, we, I don’t even know what the Internet’s gonna look like in a couple of years.

So, I mean, most of the time we, we, we spend, we spend researching most of the free time. We got, uh, we, we spend researching all the rest of the time. We, we exactly the kids. So we, we, we, we are, uh, looking at taking a bit of time off in February, but that is something, focusing on getting stuff out that really cuts through would be something that I really need to, I need to get right.

But we, I mean, the whole, the thing is, is that everybody’s gotta get together on this.

We, there’s gonna be two d, the size will become more and more polarized. It will be truth or it will be lies. You won’t have another option. And by the end of it, everybody will know which side you’re on.

[01:36:40] Alex Tsakiris: Okay. You’re awesome. We’ll be in touch.

[01:36:42] Johnny Vedmore: Awesome, man. See ya. Awesome. See you later.

Thanks again to Johnny. More for joining me to Dan Skeptiko check out his website, Johnny Vidmore. Dot com. I have. I’ll never have interviews coming up. Related to this topic. It’s been quite an interesting little journey down this path. Very much in keeping with the Skeptiko reboot thing.

I’m just kind of following the data in following the deception. And let’s see if you enjoy. Where it takes us for the ride. So that’s it for now until next time. Take care. Bye for now.

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