Al Borealis is the creator and host of Forum Borealis where he offers a paradigm expanding deep dive into controversial, marginalized, system critical topics within culture, philosophy, and spirituality.

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[00:00:00] Alex Tsakiris: On this episode of skeptiko, a show about going away

[00:00:07] Clip: There you. We were wondering when did show up?

[00:00:16] Alex Tsakiris: and a show about when to come back.

[00:00:20] Al Borealis: We can’t make everyone aware. We, we just, we just, the default is everybody sleeping. And now I’m gonna try to wake up as much as I can. And if I meet others on my journey, we also seek that or has some ability to do that, or has shown to do that to some extent. I’m gonna hitch my wagon to that person as long as that’s useful for both of us…

[00:00:43] Alex Tsakiris: that first clip was from the wonderful Christmas movie, shutter Island, and the second was from today’s guest, the one and only Al Borealis from Forum Borealis who joined me, or I should say, I joined him to talk about 20, 22 year in review.

For both Skeptical and for Forum Borealis.

now as some of you may have noticed, I have taken a step back from the mic on Skeptical. Haven’t done episodes in a couple of months, so what was really great to get back in touch with Al and to talk about the year in review and the reasons why I stepped back and some of my thoughts on when and if I should continue and in what form.

I should do so. So I enjoyed the chat. It did bring up some stuff for me as I continue to work out and figure out where I want to go, a process which I would really, really appreciate you all joining me. , and telling me what direction you think this show should go in.

It is my personal journey, but it’s shared with you. So I’d like to know your thoughts on it, but before we can get to that, we have to listen to the year in review with my special guest, Al Borealis, from Forum Borealis.

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[00:02:12] Al Borealis: And welcome to this swap casting or annual review of the year with Skeptical and Forum Borealis. Hello, Alex. How

[00:02:22] Alex Tsakiris: are you? I’m great, Al, how are you? ?

[00:02:26] Al Borealis: Yeah, I’m pretty stoked for this thing. It’s um, it’s a last, last time we had a show with each other. It was the end of the year, wasn’t it?

[00:02:35] Alex Tsakiris: Well, actually after the end of the year you were, you know, so kind to do the anniversary show.

Well, that’s rights. I’m skeptical. So was quite a, quite an event on my, uh, on my 22 calendar. So, uh, that

[00:02:49] Al Borealis: was great. Yeah, that’s how we, uh, that’s how we entered this year actually. Great

[00:02:54] Alex Tsakiris: interest. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. And you know, I have been, I have backed off of the mic lately. I have not done a show in a couple months.

And that might be something we’re gonna talk about as well, because I’m trying to find my way forward in, in this journey and in the way that I’m trying to do it. So, uh, we’ve got a number of things to

[00:03:17] Al Borealis: talk about that is interesting. I, I, I’ve done the complete opposite. I’ve never made as many shows as, now my listeners are even shocked that they got three shows this month,

So from being lagged far behind in, uh, beginning of the year and going through some very time consuming personal issues we don’t have to get into. Yeah. Yeah. I’ve turned around the ship and now I’m ahead. Great. And I’ve even started catching up at YouTube, so, so that’s interesting that we took such a different turn there.

But where do you wanna

[00:03:52] Alex Tsakiris: start for today? Well, you know, the format we did last time I thought had legs, but then we could change it as well. Last year we did three significant moments from Forum Borealis and Interleave. Those with three significant moments for me from skeptical. And then with, and I’ve already teed you up with this, some predictions because I have gone back and listened to those predictions you made from last year and you have not warning

[00:04:24] Al Borealis: some serious ball busting is coming.

Warning. Yep. Go on .

[00:04:29] Alex Tsakiris: No, you got the gist of it.

[00:04:31] Al Borealis: Yeah. So what did I say? I forgot. I completely forgot all, all of

[00:04:34] Alex Tsakiris: it. I think we should, I think we should hold it off until we get to the predictions at the end. Okay,

I, I, I did. And, you know, we could, we could start there.

We could start anywhere you want, because I have some interesting thoughts on the simulation theory as well. But, uh, we could start there.

[00:04:50] Al Borealis: Yeah. You wanted to talk with me on or about it? So let’s start there.

[00:04:54] Alex Tsakiris: Well, why don’t you then start by telling folks about your conversation with RIS Ver and how that went, and you know, what you pulled out of that for, for folks who listened to Form Borealis.

[00:05:06] Al Borealis: Sure. It’s not that much to say though. Um, I first heard Riz at your show and it was such a great show. And usually when I hear a great show, I think it’s done. It’s done. There’s no way for me to, there’s no point for me to reiterate what was just done. But this was one of the rare exceptions where despite that I heard a perfect show, and I’m talking, I think about your first show with him, not the second.

I was kind of disappointed with the second. Okay. But the first was the gold standard in my book for this topic. So I thought, Hmm, can I contribute here? Can I expand on this? And I was thinking, yeah, maybe I can tie it more to the classical view, which I really, what I, I adhere to. But the lines between them are.

Fairly thin actually. So I did, I did, uh, rehash everything with him. He basically made many of the same points as in the part one with you. But yeah, I got, I got to inject some of my two Saints and, and that’s that. I think it’s a great show. I did. I’m, I’m not just sure it was a unnecessary show, but, uh, then you told me something, oh, I wanna discuss it.

You were pretty stoked on the high, uh, that hypothesis for a while earlier this year, but you never told me what it is that you were fired up about.

[00:06:24] Alex Tsakiris: So if you remember, well, Well, you know, the first thing I have to say is I think you’re downplaying the show. You did a fantastic job and I remember telling you that, you know, you were like, Hey, I wasn’t sure I should go into this.

For all those reasons, it’s been done. Mm-hmm. and no, you guys covered so much territory and you did bring your unique perspective to it and kind of bounce that off of him. And, you know, the interesting thing, just so we remind people who Riz Ver is, cuz he’s a super interesting guy. Yeah. Very technically competent.

Uh, one of the founders of the M I t Massachusetts Institute of Technology Game Lab, you know, this is like one of the top tech universities in the world, certainly in, in the United States. And here is a guy. Just right in the inner workings of that and was super successful as an entrepreneur, as a game developer.

Right. So he has this advanced degree from m i t and he’s a game developer, and I think he sold like something like 20,000 apps, game apps before he was 25 years old. Yeah. . So very competent, very rich. And then, you know, went on to do venture capital deals and stuff like that. But also this name Swan Ver, we don’t even, I don’t know his full name, I’m sure it’s not ver it’s the full Indian, you know, 15 syllable kind of thing.

But they firstly shortened it for the rest of us, but he’s very knowledgeable on traditional Indian spirituality and he’s writing a book on that right now. Is it Yoa? The yo folks have kind of hired him to do something. So I think you guys had a lot to connect with on that show. You know, my, yeah. And I’m, I,

[00:08:15] Al Borealis: I’m happy I’m gonna have him back for his second book, which is, uh, more the multiverse take.

And I wanna say another thing that I didn’t get to say in that show, and that’s that he’s all this, but. For our listeners, take note. He’s also the producer of some great indie movie, uh, documentaries. One of them is Thrive. What on Earth Does It Take? Or something like that is the title, and the other one is serious about Free Energy.

So he’s really a good, uh, a so-called angel investor. A good guy. .

[00:08:47] Alex Tsakiris: Okay. So there’s two parts of that angel investor and good guy. They don’t always go hand in hand, , but I’ll, I’ll take your, he seems like a good guy. He seems like a light versus dark kind of person, although we all make up both elements of that.

Yeah. Which is something we can talk about. You know, the, the, the pushback I had with, uh, with Riz, and I still have with the simulation hypothesis is it’s stretching the metaphor. I kind of think mm-hmm. The other term I always use is backdoor materialism. If the ultimate reality that we’re discovering scientifically is that we should not rely on our understanding of time and space, which is what the science comes back and tells us, that’s what quantum physics tells us over and over again is don’t trust your measurements because they can get all screwed up with entanglement and experiment or effect and double slit and all that stuff.

It just comes back and says, don’t trust your version of reality. Yeah. Well, we can’t accept that fully and then turn around and say, oh, It is a computer simulation because computers are in time space, right? Mm-hmm. Computers, by definition, are in time space. They cannot be otherwise. The computer is constantly measuring time.

It’s constantly slicing it into these little slices and arranging it in a linear fashion. So we can’t come to the scientific conclusion that we’re coming to over and over again, is that consciousness is somehow outside of space time and then try and jam it back in and say yes, but it is a simulation and that simulation mm-hmm.

is essentially a computer that is in space time. Mm-hmm. ,

[00:10:36] Al Borealis: I’ll get that. See, this is why I always regard the computer as a red herring when I emphasize correct. When I emphasize this theory, I’m not concerned about the computer. The only reason we need that is so to get the materialist on board to open up enough to try to comprehend it.

And, and if that’s achieved, then we can leave the computer. Uh, well, the interesting thing with the computer,

[00:11:00] Alex Tsakiris: hold, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Mm-hmm. , hold on. Mm-hmm. , I can’t let you go on that because you’re kind of, you’re kind of slip sliding there. Mm-hmm. it is. How would. Construct the simulation, quote unquote, without a computer.

Certainly, uh, Riz isn’t Riz his book, which you guys talked extensively about. Mm-hmm. is again and again painting, uh, or drawing our attention to the parallels between computer simulation as he is part and, you know, he as he’s deeply involved with Yeah. From a gaming perspective and our reality as we understand it, the rendering of

[00:11:40] Al Borealis: reality.

Yeah. I’ll answer that. I knew you were, I got it. I got, that was where we were going. And my attempt to, to explain that this as follows. Now, if you look at a computer, let’s see what it really does. In this case, it, um, interferes with our census. It is a generator that creates boundaries for our census. So it create patterns, it creates geometrical experience.

So it petitions space, so to speak. Now, for me, the computer is not key to this, uh, theory. Yeah. For me, the computer is a metaphor in this theory, more than a metaphor. It’s an analogy because you can have something generating. The experience of space and time for that matter. You can have something, uh, interfering with those frequencies of our sensor and your census.

I’m talking our consciousness here because it’s not in the perception channels itself. It happens, it’s in the experience of the impulses that the perception channels generate for us. So, uh, computer is a crude material, low frequency kind of attempt. It’s like we are St. Stone edge people and just picking up the club and we are looking at this as a tool.

Of course, it’s a very rudimentary tool. It’s still a tool. Uh, if you open yourself to perspectives like divinity or or to down higher dimensions, et cetera, then we are talking about something generating boundaries, uhhuh and manipulating light. So that those frequencies were, which we for some suspicious reasons are limited to makes us experience this illusion of, of, uh, a 3D 4d.

If you’re at time reality, that’s basically what’s going on. That is the generator. Now, if you wanna call that a computer, if you want to call it, uh, you know, the finger of God, whatever, but it’s something created. It’s something generated that is manipulating our perception of existence. It’s actually limiting.

Perception of exactly the same thing would happen if we had, and we don’t have, and I don’t know even if we get there, but if we had advanced enough computers to manipulators so that we forget where we are and we think we’re inside a new reality, then mission achieved. You understand? No,

[00:14:15] Alex Tsakiris: wait a minute.

Say you, yeah, I understand. But you’re again, kind of mashing a bunch of stuff together that doesn’t necessarily go together. And this is mm-hmm. , when I had the pushback, my pushback on Riz was, you’re stretching the metaphor too far, aren’t you? Stretching the metaphor too far. And he didn’t kind of like that because people who really are into the simulation theory do not believe that it’s metaphorical.

They believe you kind of went around the world there with your thing, cuz when you wound up at the end was eventually there might be this super computer that really does do the simulation, which is where Riz is going. All that though is dependent on chopping up space and time and measuring shit. Yeah.

Yeah. So you can’t have it both ways. You can’t say it’s a crude metaphor, but it’s also the correct metaphor once we advance technology enough. So, yeah. I see. I I, I I just think we have to be more precise in what we’re saying. If you and where I, where I land on it, is that the ultimate reality that I think you and I have a sense for is so much greater.

Yeah. Yeah. That it can never be reduced down to this puny simulation computer. Is it a no, no, no.

[00:15:33] Al Borealis: Uh, I, I will go officially understand saying, I don’t believe we are trapped in a computer game. What I’m saying is I think we could create a computer game that could trap our consciousness, not our consciousness in terms of no, the cost to it.

But, uh, if you put someone physically in jail, Alex. And they only have like five, uh, quadrant meter to move about. You’re kind of doing the same thing. You’re confining their perceptions, which will influence their consciousness, which is why people get, uh, destroyed.

[00:16:09] Alex Tsakiris: So take, take Nelson Mandela in, lock him in solitary confinement for two years, and what do you get?

You get this extraordinary human being who comes out and says, it was nothing true. I traversed the universe and I came to this lock, Mahama Gandhi in the same cell. And what does he say? It was nothing. I traversed the universe. Yeah.

[00:16:30] Al Borealis: But these aren’t, these aren’t the run of Themi people. These are the exceptions.

[00:16:33] Alex Tsakiris: It doesn’t matter. They are not the exceptions. That ability to, they are

[00:16:39] Al Borealis: Neo n

[00:16:40] Alex Tsakiris: No, Chris Neos. They are not. They are they. No, they are all of us. The light shines through all of us. The power is within all of us. True. And we merely, we’re just trying to figure out better ways to refine it, tap into it, and

[00:16:55] Al Borealis: move it.

Yeah. Yeah. But, but now you’re missing, you’re missing the point, man. Uh, the point is, no, I’m,

[00:16:59] Alex Tsakiris: I’m making the point. The point is, don’t buy into this idea that they are going to be able to limit our consciousness by jabbing us in the arm by sticking a VR thing around our eyes or any of the rest of this.

The, the, the field of consciousness that we are a part of is an infinitely infinite times greater, brighter, more dynamic than any of this puny stuff. And we may not be experiencing that on a day-to-day level, because, you know, this is a pretty heavy time that we’re in. But to me, I’m not speaking like a preacher.

I’m speaking it. This is the real, this is your reality as well. This is what the, uh, esoteric, the, the, the deep wisdom has told us all along is that everyone has the ability to t. Yeah, I

[00:17:54] Al Borealis: agree. But, um, the, the, the challenge for the controllers, the satanists, the, whatever you want to call it, the materialists, the transhumanists, is to try to reduce that effect.

That’s greatly annoying to them. That everything always points to consciousness. Consciousness is key. Mind over matter is Plato beating up aristot on a daily basis. But that doesn’t mean Aristot can’t find some devices to trick people into because that, this is the thing, if we are gods, then it’s all about making us forget that we are, gods actually making us believe we are not Gods actually making us believe that a ruler is God.

That’s the story of history of mankind. Yes. Yes. Now what I’m saying about the computer is that, yeah, I totally think they can invent the computer that, I don’t know, sedate someone, whatever you do to make them forget, uh, or, or break down their identity and then wake up in this. I could see that, uh, 10 years down the road, 20 down years down the road, that the potential of such a tech technology could exist.

I’m not saying that makes a new world and this world is great. No, it’s gonna be but a shadow of a shadow of the world we’re living in. But who’s to say we are not already living in a shadow of a shadow? Because you have gone deep into near-death experiences. Everybody ex describe it as how Neil would, uh, describe it if he woke up from the Matrix.

It’s like a total new sense of reality. It’s like more real than this reality. But then it’s also this, uh, um, This ecstatic feeling of, you know, coming home, all that stuff. So yes, in many ways this fantastic, brilliant, beautiful reality we are in now, you need to try to imagine that that as good as it is, can be butter shadow of an even greater reality.

And in that perspective, I can envision something verse than this reality a deeper hell. If you like that, absolutely we can create, because we can create health. I don’t know about Paradises, we don’t have a good track record for that, but we have a good track record for hell. So yeah, we could make a lower vibration mirror as opposed so below, but that doesn’t mean it’s identical.

It just means that it’s a spiral and that, you know, 10 o’clock on every spiral is the same, only on uh, lower levels. So yeah, I think we can create lower levels of reality. I think we can immerse ourselves into that. I think it can be used against us. It doesn’t have to be a good thing. And I think that’s just, uh, des uh, a principle design of reality because there’s nothing human beings can do or can’t do that’s not already, uh, a potential template for.

So if we do something, it means it’s already allowed in existence. And yeah, I think we can imitate a creator and do a diabol kind of mockery of creation, which is the transhumanist sweater’s dream.

[00:20:55] Alex Tsakiris: Well, yeah. Oh boy. I have a lot to say about transhumanism and that could be one of the, the moments, one of the moments from, uh, 2022 of skeptical, and it definitely would be one of my top moments.

But you seem, look, tell me where foreign Borealis has run into the transhumanist agenda and how that has spun for you in 2022. Yeah.

[00:21:21] Al Borealis: Well, uh, more than anything, uh, via Covid, of course, that’s where, where we all see it. Uh, and, uh, and you’ve seen those alien blood clots people are infected with. Yeah, it’s insane.

It’s been in the papers here too, but this year I’ve done something I haven’t done, uh, since I started, I’ve had three U f o shows this year. Oh, wow. Kind of four if you, if you lump in, uh, simulation theory, because that can fit with everything. Right. So, and I, I think UFOs also tangents the transhumanism topic, but I think we should start, uh, with the traditional segue to it.

You had a great show with, uh, uh, Mr. Cox, this Brett who runs, um, what’s it called? Um, Consciousness.

[00:22:13] Alex Tsakiris: Deep State Consciousness Podcast. Yeah, it’s

[00:22:16] Al Borealis: the Richard Cooks thing. Um, so I guess

[00:22:19] Alex Tsakiris: I figured out how to get you to listen to Skeptical . I just have to schedule an end of year.

[00:22:26] Al Borealis: No, no. I have listened to skeptical this year, but, um, I’ve heard half that show and it’s very interesting.

You know, those who deny the virus, uh, one, uh, obvious hypothesis is that they are running into the classical flat earth trap. Right? That they become, yes. That they, because they know the powers that be in any area know that there will always be a certain amount of opposition. It doesn’t matter. Even if they’re right, there will be opposition.

So how can we, how can we derail most of these opposition? They, they always have to muddy the waters. Like vaccines, the number one cyop trap inside the vaccine. There’s, uh, microchips or something like that, right? And nobody really believes that. But that’s how you derail all vaccine criticism. And I see that totally the same could be done by viruses.

That, okay, if people deny this a virus, then they deny themselves outta the debate. And we’ve taken care of most of the criticism. The criticism would be stronger if these people hadn’t, you know, divorced themselves from this reality. So I totally get your point

[00:23:31] Alex Tsakiris: there. Well, you. You maybe do, but if we’re, I, we kind of jumped to a different topic cuz I think transhumanism relates to a, a, another issue and we’ll get back to that with Dean Raden, which I think is Oh yeah, that’s, sure.

It’s phenomenal. Yeah. It’s, it’s, it’s, well it’s speaks directly to the Transhuman issue, so I don’t know if we should jump there, but you brought up the no

[00:23:57] Al Borealis: virus thing. Yeah, let’s do the Covid things first. Okay. Let get it over with so it doesn’t take the whole show. Okay.

[00:24:04] Alex Tsakiris: Well it, it still might wind up taking the whole show because it’s really kind of a, a major turning point for me.

Kind of one of, uh, one of a handful of moments on skeptical that I can really point to that totally changed my perspective on everything. Mm-hmm. , um, do I have the ability to play a clip into the show? Try so, let’s play this and see how it goes. On this episode of skeptical rabies Damn rabies, a woman shouldn’t have to be hit by a car to learn that she may have rabies, but that is where we are in America.

And that does not sit right with me. And that is why I am hosting a fun run race for the Cure, for rabies to raise awareness of the fact that there is a cure for rabies of disease that has been largely eradicated in the us. But not very many people know that there is simply no proof that there is a virus called rabies that causes the dogs to go nuts.

There’s just, there is no scientific proof of that. That’s a story. So of course that first clip was Steve Carrell from The Office, but the second one was from today’s guest, Michael Wallick, who joined me to talk about his new documentary series, the Viral Delusion. Hope you enjoy the show. Okay. So a, a lot to talk about.

I guess I’m gonna try and jam it all in here because I’ve opened this can of worms. Yeah. Here’s the moment for me. I, as you know, from the last end of your show, we did, I kind of stepped into this pile of material on the ground last year in 2021 when I interviewed first, uh, .

[00:25:59] Al Borealis: Gosh.

[00:26:00] Alex Tsakiris: Um, Who I interviewed Tom Cowan.

I interviewed Dr. Tom Cowan, who is a viral denier. And uh, before that I interviewed David Ike, who really kicked the thing off. And everybody knows David Ike. But

[00:26:15] Al Borealis: what, hang on. I heard one show with you back in the, uh, when Covid was strong. Uh, there was this guy you were discussing mosques, Tom Cowan, that was Co

[00:26:23] Alex Tsakiris: Tom Cowan.

Yeah. Yeah. So the, the, the origin of this to just kind of do the whole thing. Uh, David Ike, I had David Ike on the show, and I’ve always thought David Ike was so in incredibly, he’s like so many of these figures in this alt media community that we’re a part of where he, he, he’s done incredible, incredible body of work.

He’s opened people’s eyes, minds. Hearts up in so many ways, but he also seems to dump a lot of bullshit along the way. He’s either self diluted or he just, I don’t know what the deal is. But anyways, I’m interviewing him and I go, Hey, you seem to be pitching this I no virus thing. I go, come on David. What?

What’s up with that? I said, even you back when they did the swine flu thing, said that this is a manufactured bio weapon. Why have you, and it he, in typical David I fashion, he was kind of like, he had to pause and remember that. Yeah, that was he, he, he was right. You know, he was right with the swine flu 10 years ago, and now he’s been hoodwinked into these crazy no virus people who say, you know, there is no virus.

It’s terrain theory, you know, germ theories out terrain. Theory. Theory. Certainly. I interview Tom. The most hated interview I’ve had people like, my God, you didn’t let this guy talk. You know, you shut him down. And it’s part of this thing I have of don’t suffer fools gladly, you know? Mm-hmm. . And that has come up.

That has been one of the themes of the last half of 2022. The Bible might be full of shit, but there’s a lot of good stories in there. In one of the great stories is when, well, Paul writes these letters to these outlying camps who’ve heard the good news and he, he sarcastically says, oh, but you guys wouldn’t care because you suffer fools gladly.

You don’t mind if people come on and say all sorts of stupid things that you’re meeting, so what do I care? Kind of thing. Mm-hmm. And I, we, it’s worked its way into our society and we all understand, you know, some people think we should suffer fools gladly. If you wanna be up and be a knuckle dragger and talk about flat earth and you wanna be Eddie Bravo, who’s the great guy and you wanna talk to Joe Rogan, great guy, but they wanna be knuckle draggers and they’re proud of the fact that they’re kind of anti-intellectual and they’ve never gone to college and they don’t really know science, but they’re, you know, Hey, I got an opinion.

Everyone’s got an opinion. Great. The problem with that is that science does have something to bring to the table. Yeah. And the other, cuz I don’t really care about any of that shit because everyone does have an opinion. Everyone can talk, debate, you know, whether. Whether Norway or the Swiss have the better downhill skiers and that’s, you know, you can sit around at the pub and you can talk about that shit all day long or politics or stuff like that.

What I’ve always tried to do on skeptical is expose something deeper, something on a spiritual level or something on a very, uh, covert manipulation, misinformation level. This is all a lead in Al and the reason I wouldn’t let you jump in there is cuz we gotta, I have to finish this whole thing out.

Mm-hmm. and it’s gonna take another couple minutes. Sure. So this is the lead in to me, constantly being kind of barraged by these no virus people Go, Alex, you know, you’re so stupid. There are no viruses there. And I go, that is just ridiculous. It’s flattered science. Quit pitching that. How can, and and I, I’m like, you have to step up your game because you are dragging the whole system down in the way that you obviously saw, you know, they are dividing you by creating this whole segment of wacky conspiracy theorists that they can all point to and laugh, and you are joining in and letting them do it.

So finally, I, I said if you have someone who’s credible who wants to come out and talk, I will actually have them on. Yeah.

[00:30:15] Al Borealis: Long-winded story. Good, good or skeptical. Always taking on anyone?

[00:30:19] Alex Tsakiris: Yes. Al yes. , but this is where my whole world changes. Somebody says, here’s a guy.

He has this new documentary, viral Delusion. Mm-hmm. . It’s a well-made documentary. It features a lot of credible, it would seem real medical doctors. Mm-hmm. . So I contact Michael Wallick and I, I first. So I contact him and I, first, he agrees to do the interview and he’s very nice and accommodating. And I do a search, a background search on him, and I don’t really find anything on Michael Wallock.

I go, that’s okay. So then I send him an email, and this was a little bit very out of character with me, but what I, I wanted to find a way to just tell this story in a way that people would understand. And I thought the way to do it would be to say, to, to turn it to the rabies. Cause we’ve all known for hundreds of years that when the dog, you know, dogs get rabies, right?

Mm-hmm. , so I sent. I sent Michael this email, and in the email I told him the story about my dog when I was a kid who played in the forest and then came back and a few days later he was foaming at the mouth and we took him to the vet and at that, oh wow. Oh, I’m sorry, your dog has rabies. We have to put ’em down.

And I said, oh, that was so heartbreaking for me. And Michael emails me back and says, sorry to hear about your dog. Your dog didn’t have rabies. Mm. There’s no such thing as rabies. Your dog probably had worms. And at this point, my thought is, this guy is retarded. I mean, this guy has limited, uh, that’s, to be honest, that was my thought.

This guy has limited intellectual, capabilities, and I should kind of take it easy on him in this interview because I, in the process of making, of exposing him, I’m just gonna make everybody hate me even more. So I do the interview with Wallock, and if you heard the intro to that interview that I just played there.

No, no, no, no. He is not a Slack jot idiot. He’s incredibly well spoken. He’s also a great at spinning stories. He’s a conversationalist and he has a, a lightness about him and he tells, and he’s very well educated. And this whole thing, as I’m doing the interview, you know, you and I have done a lot of interviews.

We can pick up a lot on people. Hmm. And I’m like, wow, what is going on here? And then I do decide to go into the rabies thing and I go, come on. You know, it’s ridiculous. We all know. I mean, rabies really? And he just pounds it, he pounds it home. No, there are no viruses. And as a matter of fact, you brought it up in rabies, never existed in this night.

But here’s the point of the story. I get off of the interview and I go, what is going on here? And I start searching, and this is just bad poor, uh, background checking on my part. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . But I search for Mike Wallack. And suddenly Mike Wallick pops up. Mike Wallick has an undergraduate degree from, from the top Ivy League schools in the United States.

Mike Wallick has a master’s degree from Columbia, and if anyone’s tuned into the Alphabet Soup Intelligence agency, breeding ground, Columbia is one of the places. Mm-hmm. , Mike Wallick had an internship with Barack Obama where he was preparing briefings for Baracka Fellowship. Can you, do you know how exclusive that would be?

Do you know how many people out of a million you’re talking about that have undergraduate, uh, degree from an Ivy League school, master’s degree from Columbia Fellowship that has them doing personal presentations to Barack Obama. But then he leaves, he leaves Washington to go to Hollywood to make films.

The first film he makes is with a major Hollywood director and the film, you can watch the I played, uh mm-hmm. I gave to People is a horror film about a very infectious disease that causes panic among, uh, the large part of the population. I forget the name of it. It’s five, six years ago. You can look it up.

Mm-hmm. his second film. So he is a fast track guy. His second film. Oh, it’s this hokey little viral delusion thing that can’t even be on any of the major platforms because it’s too controversial and is, uh, just directly focused on talking to this little subgroup that you and I are familiar with, this little alt media subgroup that thinks there’s no viruses.

Was this before Covid? No, this is, uh, 2022. Hmm. So my world shifted because I think I was talking to a guy who’s on the job, on the job, if you know what that means. Like it’s an expression that they, we use in the United States. Like when one cop runs across another cop and the cop’s undercover and he’s doing something that he’s not supposed to be doing.

Mm-hmm. He goes, pal, I’m on the job. Mm-hmm. And then there’s a wink and a nod, and everybody just goes on their own way. So, I don’t know. I have no idea. I have no idea. Is Mike Wallick on the job? I don’t know. Does he really believe everything in the viral delusion? I have no idea. Does he have an undergraduate degree?

A master’s from Columbia? Was he a fellow with ? I mean, yeah. Yeah. I So, so at this point, so the really, the important afterthought and why I’ve paused, kind of skeptical is, so I go and talk to Richard Cox, who also interviewed Mike Wallick. Richard Cox, who’s been on my show multiple times. Richard Cox, who used to work for me doing booking.

Uns skeptical because I like him and I honor and respect the work he’s done. He totally falls for the whole thing. He totally, he is, uh, he’s unshakable. He’s unshakeable now. He’s converted over to the, you mean after,

[00:36:25] Al Borealis: after your interview with him? Because he wasn’t that unshakable in the, into yourself.

[00:36:30] Alex Tsakiris: He was unshakable.

Yes. He’s kind of downplaying it. He did his own interview with Mike Wallick. . He goes and does presentations to folks at churches or wherever showing Wallacks film. Mm. He is. So the, the, this is where he’s invested in it. Yeah. And so what does that mean?

What does that mean for, you know, you and I are sitting here talking about how they’re doing this, how they’re gonna do this, and they’re gonna, man, it don’t take much. People start doing it to themselves. So

[00:37:04] Al Borealis: Yeah. It’s always been like that. Yeah.

[00:37:06] Alex Tsakiris: H what do you think of that whole, whole story? What do you, what are your thoughts?

Oh, boy.

[00:37:10] Al Borealis: Well, we are entitled to our own opinions, but we are not entitled to our own facts. Right. I know that’s a cliche, but it actually matters. So I was kind of following Richard Cooks when he said like, where is your, I, I’m sympathetic to that attitude. Where is your pain threshold? What would it take for you to reassess a certain paradigm that you have been invested in?

Right. And I can tell you where it goes for me when it comes to this virus things, because I haven’t picked up, uh, this, uh, side show. I haven’t, uh, monitored it enough. So I don’t even know what their scientific argument is. But I can make a case for the no virus theory, uh, without knowing what they’re making.

And magically it’ll fit with the virus theory too. And it goes like this. There are scientific experimentation within the forbidden parts of science. With that, I mean everything to do with electromagnetics. , and I forgot to tell you in our former topic that, uh, the like magnetic scale may be the closest we get to an existential computer.

But there is a fact that they can mon, they can mesh viruses by vibration. And uh, this guy, this genius French man, uh, what did he get the noble prize for? I forgot. But he’s really in the vanguard of the frequency science, which is again, a taboo part of science. It went black after the second World War because it decodes so much, including UFOs.

So they could, uh, he could transfer a virus via, what was it, radio, something with taking the signature, the vibration signature, beaming it, uh, half, uh, across the globe and then it pops up in water, which is a good conductor, right? Yeah. At the receiver end. Now, some people may take this and run with it. Ah, there’s no viruses.

All viruses are just frequencies. It’s just dissonant frequencies is is frequencies that are in disharmony with the frequencies that we need of life, blah, blah, blah. They would be right. But you will also be right to say no, no, there are still viruses because this is the classical article versus wave debate just in a new manifestation.

So they are both vibrations frequencies and they are also entities because when. Measure the entities because everything is vibrations. So when you measure anything’s vibration, you are, you are talking about both particles. It’s particles when you examine it in time and space, and when you don’t examine it, we’re back to quantum, right, to shing as cat, then it’s a potential, anything.

So I I, I always thought it was retarded if this was the argument they were using because it’s, it’s not an either or. It’s a both and yes, it is vibrations, yes, you can interfere with viruses thanks to vibrations. Tesla did, ITRI did it, many did it. And you can also kill, uh, or, or, or, or dissolve those frequencies with vibrations.

But it doesn’t mean that when it manifests in your body, it doesn’t behave like viruses and it spreads and infects like viruses. Yeah, totally. Uh, so I’m on both sides of that argument now. I don’t know if this is, can you explain to us basically the gist of how they deny viruses? Is it this angle or is this something else?

[00:40:39] Alex Tsakiris: Um, I, I like, I step back and look at the process of, because I would, it’s analogous to, uh, flat Earth in that what it really is, I think it’s this uber empiricism, it’s this, it’s the net result of what they’ve done in gentrifying science. So where we all are with science now is we don’t trust science because they lie about science consistently.

And I would say that the way that Flat Earth was used was a setup for global warming and a setup for C O V I D, right? Because if you get people in their bones saying, you know, it, all nerds have screwed everything up. I’m not trusting a damn thing you’re saying. And let me give you the most in your face example of how much I don’t trust you.

I think the earth is flat, prove me wrong. Hmm. And that’s all it takes. And you just extend that. So as it relates to particularly terrain theory versus germ theory, and we’ve talked about it on the show, but it’s a ridiculous proposition at the surface, right? It’s the same as flat earth. It doesn’t deserve serious.

Discussion and to be, to be drawn into whether or not cuz terrain theory, by the way, you know, and in the Richard Cox interview, it doesn’t come out. They also deny bacteria. It’s not like they just, it’s, it’s not like they just deny, uh, viruses, bacteria’s in there too, you know? Mm-hmm. . So all the, all the thousands and thousands of peer reviewed paper and virology, they wanna throw all that out the window, but so it, it isn’t like, Hey, let’s really try and understand their theory.

No, it’s like the famous guy said, it’s not even wrong. It doesn’t even rise to the level of, of that. Right. So the deeper part is how does it function inside of the deception? How does it function inside of the misinformation system, which you started with Al, you immediately got that. You immediately, we might not actually agree 100% on that, but that’s immediately where you went, which is like, oh, okay, this is another way to.

You know, divide and rule.

[00:43:11] Al Borealis: Yeah. People, no, I, I see that potential reality. The problem here, Alex, is that we are trying to decode, I wish we were like limited to baseball. It would be so much easier to discuss, but we have like a multi-dimensional perspective when we discuss anything, you and me, and obviously within the sociopolitical reality or if you wanna indulge the retarded, uh, expression, conspiracy theory or hypothesis.

Yes. Obviously this whe whether it is or not, it would be a wonderful siop and yes, it would, uh, fit all the bills. But my problem is I can, I can play the devil’s lawyer here if you like, if you can handle that. Because I can go to, I can look at it ontologically and let’s say, no, let’s indulge the hypothesis model.

You realize that in the hypothesis model, uh, I mean the simulation model, , uh, earth can be flat, spheric and hollow at the same time. And you don’t need to go to the computers. Let’s go to the agnostics. They said it’s the consciousness that matters. So is everyone believes that there was a holy man who was sacrificed and a cross.

If that power base in the Vatican can get enough people to envision that with their whole soul, with all the senses, it’s so real. I can touch it. I can, there’s Jesus. I can see him. , then it becomes real in a simulation. That’s how weird reality could be. I’m, I’m not now, now I’m not even talking about a machine now I’m talking if you go toor, right, and UFOs can be a manifestation, et cetera.

Yeah. That’s how weird reality could be. And in that same vein, you could also say that, yeah, it’s viruses and it’s not viruses. How many believe it’s viruses bomb? It’s shifting. They say someone just, uh, got the noble price for proving that the past doesn’t exist. . So what on earth are those traumas we are having?

What on earth are these sweet memories we are having? How can these, those be generated? And then stop existing? Could we change or past by embracing intensely a new reality of what happened? Could you take a trauma and then make it to some, something good, for example? And then that will start manifesting in an eternal now.

So, Now I’m, I’m just exploding all boundaries, okay? In a paradigm. I’m taking it this far. Now you want me to rewind back into that sociopolitical box? I’m with you. This is, and if it’s not a siop, it immediately becomes one. They hijack it, they invest in this. They see how useful, for example, flat earth rebell is.

But you know, they are not these perfect puppet masters that we always envision them to be. They’re bling things left and right all the time because of the, your argument, the X-factor called consciousness. They’re not in control of consciousness. Consciousness is like this deluge throw at them and they, they’re desperately trying to use duct tape to, you know, fill in the holes and, uh, oh, it’s coming through.

It’s coming through, okay. Ba over there. This is how they’re operating. And many things. They’re doing backfires. If you go to traditional politics, I love the Duran. He’s a shouted for theran. If you want some sober analysis just within the geopolitical realm, that’s it. Nothing alternative beside that. But they have, they give us the straight facts and then we can opinionate around it.

And we see how the bling now bricks is taking over for the petro dollar, and this is going against the great reset. It’s going against the Western or, or Anglo American elites. So they’re not these perfect puppet masters. In fact, I’m with, um, our friend. Uh, Schneider on this. He thinks that, uh, all this inbreeding and, you know, they needed people like Epstein, who actually, they need people who are competent because they are utterly incompetent at this point.

They just have the power, the will, and the money, and then they need to, um, circle or, uh, have in their circle, uh, different kinds of geniuses who have no ethics, who will implement their v uh, vision for them. So, okay, I went all over the place. Uh, I’ll, I’ll shut up now and let you comment.

[00:47:38] Alex Tsakiris: Well, uh, bring it, bring it home for me.

And tell me what you think about, um, how you think that, how do you think that relates? Well,

[00:47:47] Al Borealis: I, I think, um, at a weird level, ev anything could be possible if enough people believe it, uh, or become possible. Uh, but

[00:47:56] Alex Tsakiris: What would you do with that understanding?

See, cuz to me that’s always like a, a good,

[00:48:02] Al Borealis: good point. Yeah. Yep. Yeah, no, great question. Because, you know, the answer to that is it doesn’t matter. What would I do with it? It’s an information war. So I would still behave as if viruses are real. The earth is not flat, and we have to fight for those ideas. Why?

Because that’s the shortest way to get to the, uh, target, to where I want society to go. It doesn’t serve me or you or anyone else that we have to take this enormous detour around. I can do it in private. If you, you and me are sitting here having a coffee, we can discuss, okay, what would it take for the earth to be round?

Okay. Because that has no consequence. But if 30% of the population believes it’s round, and meanwhile they’re, do they, they’re doing deep level third dimensional chess warfare on us. Oh my God, we need that brain power, you know, to what matters. So I’m a both and guy here. Uh, uh, we should behave as if, uh, things are, as we think it is and, and continue fighting that battle because it is also that this is also a reality and this is where the battle is taking place.

For example, the battle is much more served, that we acknowledge our, our coronavirus, and we acknowledge that they are fucking us up with the vaccines. And we acknowledge that the pandemic has been poorly handled, to put it mildly. If we do that, that’s what’s serving the immediate battle going on. But in addition, I can see other potential realities.

Do you.

[00:49:42] Alex Tsakiris: I do, but I think you’re climbing the, you know, the last time we spoke for the end of year, you had a great metaphor about climbing the mountain. Yeah. And going around. And as you get higher and higher, you can see people further down below and some of ’em are just going around the mountain again and again and again.

Yeah. And some of them are, in fact, even though they’re going around the mountain, they’re kind of choosing the path that takes them higher and higher. I agree. What you said, that we, we do have to have discernment in terms of, uh, bracketing reality, which is the way I put it. There is a consensus reality here, and in that consensus reality viruses do exist in caused disease in that bracketed reality.

At the same time, we have a very incomplete understanding of viruses. Mm-hmm. And we have a medical industrial complex that has exploited the limited understanding. We have a viruses and they’ve twisted it and turned it and de developed all sorts of misinformation. The whole H I v AIDS thing is real.

There is a real dispute there in terms of what is the relationship between the testing for H I V and the AIDS virus. I had a guy on seven years ago on skeptical, and he said that, he said, you know, the numbers do not make any sense to pure numbers that we get back on the demographic numbers. People are going, Henry Bower shouted

[00:51:10] Al Borealis: for a great show.

[00:51:12] Alex Tsakiris: So, so I’m down with the fact that they are screwing with the data because they don’t really know what’s going on with viruses. But that doesn’t, we’re saying the same thing here. That doesn’t give somebody permission to jump outside, uh, , jump outside of the bounded consensus reality and say, Hey man, maybe, you know, there’s no such thing.

No, we have this bounded consensus reality. And then we have all the stuff that, yeah, there’s

[00:51:43] Al Borealis: a time and a place for every debate, right? They are polluting the real debate here with that thing. Uh, it doesn’t belong in the covid, uh, policy debate. Seriously. It, it belongs in, you know, pipe smoking societies, cigar smoking societies in front of the fireplace.

[00:52:02] Alex Tsakiris: But, uh, but the real, but the real problem for you and I al, is that once we jump out of that discussion and say, okay, you are a deeper thinker. Let’s really talk about the mountain. You know, cause that’s what it’s really about in our path up that mountain. Well then, Now we have to come back and say you’re using terms like battle and that, and does that really make any sense from a mountain perspective?

Are we really battling? Yeah. You know, the, it does, the sa I’m not sure that, I’m not sure that it does. I’m not sure. I’ll tell you why.

[00:52:37] Al Borealis: Because there’s a million, uh, forces who wants you to not, uh, climb that mountain and they want to lure you back into the woods. So only for that sh and you know, it’s an individual, it’s an individual journey too.

It’s not a collective one on the top.

[00:52:55] Alex Tsakiris: Sh sh Giam, jj, I probably am not pronouncing that in a way that anyone who really understands transcript understand. No, but I love the, the translation that may the light in virtue in my heart be victorious to me, that is the only real battle. Okay. The only real battle is I have the light.

And the virtue, the virtuous in my heart. Okay, but brother,

[00:53:23] Al Borealis: let, let me rephrase it, Dan, there’s also a million forces inside you who wants to not climb that mountain. So there’s always gonna be a battle ice bath, whether it’s outside or inside, it doesn’t matter. It’s all the same ice, ice bath. That’s , sir.

No, but look man, it’s, uh, the, the covid reality is super important because, um, yeah, you, you, you’ve been, uh, following the developments and, uh, I have a hellish scenario for you. And that’s that. And, and, and I don’t know what I predicted last year, but I suspect I should have predicted it for the coming air because, uh, we have now a situation where, uh, there may be a lot of deaths accumulating.

I don’t wanna make it into some doomsday scenario, but, um, it’s incredible. Uh, you know, how, how immediate, how literal all the naysayers and the anti-vaxxers, if you look at it objectively, it’s taken a really left turn. Um, time

[00:54:28] Alex Tsakiris: for, time for prediction, time for reminding you of your prediction from last year.

Mm-hmm. , you ready? Yep. because it relates directly to what you’re talking about. Mm-hmm. , your prediction at the end of the, our last year’s show was that this is Al speaking. I think Omni Krome could be the silver bullet, not your language, but say, and you, you really expounded on it in a really interesting way because we were talking about how the western world was vaccinated, but Africa wasn’t vaccinated.

India wasn’t vaccinated. Mm-hmm. Not to the extent that they would’ve liked anyway. Mm-hmm. And where does Omni Krome seem to kind of emerge out of , these areas that have resisted vaccination for long periods of time? And you said, I think this could be a game changer because, you know, herd immunity, natural immunity, blah, blah, blah.

But then you also painted the dark scenario, but it could turn the other way in that they just further kind of double down on the whole thing. Yeah. I would, so I would take your prediction, which isn’t, you kind of covered all the bases, so I don’t know if you really get total credit for that. Mm-hmm. , but I think you pointed us in a really important direction, and I think that direction applies here.

Mm-hmm. , yes. The vaccine has, uh, probably dealt of really severe blow to the immune system of hundreds of millions of people. There’s no question about that. Yeah. God has a couple tricks up his sleeve too. He has ways that, and he, I’m obviously, I don’t believe that there’s some entity in, on the cloud with a beard, and I saw with a dick

Yeah. And I certainly don’t believe Yeah. Eses. But, but the, the, the, you get the, you get the idea is that no, they, they will not, they will not determine the future of mankind by their hokey little poorly run project of manufacturing a bio weapon in a lab that will not be the end of the road. They will not determine that.

It will be determined through some other means. Yeah.

[00:56:38] Al Borealis: But have you heard the news? I I, I’ve heard, yeah. Oh, for what’s going on in Boston? Oh my god. You heard it, right? They’re amping it up to 80% mortality. and they’re doing it with impunity. Yeah. Where the fuck are the pitch folks? Why do you take Covid?

That was failed for? Because if the pandemic is as diverse conspiracy hypothesis as saying that they wanted this, uh, or it was a trial run or whatever, then now they have the perfect thing. Because if the virus had worked as they wanted us to believe it worked, then, uh, these, uh, people who, you know, the branch s who have cracked their brains on, on Covid fair, everybody will become like them.

It’ll become hell on earth. Fear is going to run rampant because now we will have real, real grounds for it. Because if 80% died in reality, 0.8% died and they would’ve died if it was a hard flu too. This we know now, we didn’t know it in the beginning, but if 80% died, which is what they’ve done now with the Covid virus in Boston, right?

Jesus Christ. Now that’s hell.

[00:57:46] Alex Tsakiris: Well, I th that don’t. Right? Uh, that is, uh, that is a potential reality. Ebola is another potential reality that we’ve lived with. Right? Yeah. That is very high

[00:57:57] Al Borealis: mortality. That’s, that’s just 50%.

[00:57:59] Alex Tsakiris: I think either way it’s the end of the world. Yeah. 50 or 80 does not make a difference.

No. If you have 50% or 80%, it’s still the end of the world. Yep. As we know it. So the, the other side of this, which, you know, we could have, we could talk for a long time, we could do a bunch of shows. If, if you look at where we’re going economically, and we’ve talked a little bit about the Bitcoin and the crypto thing.

Oh yeah. As part of that, and I think it also relates to, uh, world economies and, uh, currencies and stuff like that. The, the end game there is not turning out the way that they want. They’re not gonna be able to print 30 trillion in echo currency like they were planning on doing.

[00:58:44] Al Borealis: That was the plan. You mean, you mean digital currency, right?

What did I say? Oh, don’t know. What did you say? Echo?

[00:58:52] Alex Tsakiris: Echo. You know, the environmental, uh, uh, carbon trading, you knows it’s the same. It’s, yeah, it’s the same stuff. Right. So, and n now we have China on the ropes in terms of, you know, what’s going on with, who knows what’s up with Biden and the chip thing. But did you see the thing with the chips where the No.

Okay. So , this is another little factoid that some people are claiming and you could see it, that it could possibly be true. Mm-hmm. , the best microchips in the world, and there’s a battle for them. Something like 80% of ’em are produced war Taiwan. Hmm. Um, and Biden has just. Passed into law, uh, an executive order saying that the Chinese will no longer have access to the best chips.

This is trade war. Major trade war. Yeah. If anyone hasn’t heard of this, they need to go investigate it. . And he said, and also he said, anyone who’s working on these advanced chips and are in China has to come home. Yeah, I heard that. This, this shuts China down. They’re shut down. If you don’t have access to these chips, you, you can’t do anything moving forward, uh, in terms of your economy.

You’re just gonna slowly,

[01:00:14] Al Borealis: I heard they got them from Russia or something. No,

[01:00:17] Alex Tsakiris: the, the, the, they’re 80% of ’em are made in Taiwan. Mm. And we have foundries here. And part of this thing was to make us self-sufficient and build all the foundries here, but we basically control that technology. You know, IBM just last year announced the two nanometer, uh, kind of.

Integrated circuit. So, and Moore’s Law, do you know what Moore’s law is? How computer technology doubles and doubles Yeah. Every 18 months. Right. And they said that’s coming to an end. Well, it’s not coming to an end. They continue to have breakthroughs. There’s no end in sight. But you have to be really smart.

You gotta invest a ton of money. And then when you have it, you have all sorts of patents and technology. Mm-hmm. that, you know, and our friend Bernardo Castro, the company he used to work for is the foundry that makes all those chips. All that is in our hands. S usa, s a s a. So b m owns that, owns that technology.

Intel owns that technology. So we’re, we’re now in a position to muscle China in a way that a lot of people didn’t see coming. How does that play out? I don’t know. What does that say to China? Butting up with, uh, Russia. I don’t know. What does that say for the end of the dominance of the US dollar? I don’t know.

And the reason to go on that whole rant between two people that like to talk about spirituality is just to show how many other. Cards there are on the table. Mm-hmm. That need to be turned over if you’re gonna try and read the deck. So it’s like, it’s never ending in terms of where this is going, how it’s playing out, what the 80% in Boston really means, who’s in charge, all the rest of that.

Mm-hmm.

[01:02:09] Al Borealis: and indeed the virus really come from America after all. Like George Webb said here so early now it seems like it, because the signature of it is from American Labs. It seems like Wuhan got it from America. But yeah, you’re right. And, but this makes it exciting, doesn’t it? Because it’s like, eh, the chips could fall anywhere.

It’s impossible to make any safe bets here. Uh, I will say that it’s kind of good that America did this because it kind of proves that they have their, uh, neck, the, the, the, the, the neck on the block because this is their new move to answer the other move. You know, the whole Ukraine thing, we shouldn’t go too deep into it because it’ll take the whole show.

There’s so much to say about it, but it backfired to the Western elite. The Western elite pretends the whole world is, uh, on like, it’s the whole world against Russia in reality, which people in the West won’t know because we are completely brainwashed by our media is that it’s the whole world against.

and USA basically, and maybe you can toss Australia and Canada in there too. But the whole world has gone together, and this has been a slow thing. Bricks isn’t a new thing, but what’s really new now is that it’s not just crazy isolated crisises like, uh, the Venezuela guy or uh, GAFI and all these people who talk about we have to create an independent currency to compete with a dollar.

This is now officially the policy of Bricks, bra, Brazil. Doesn’t matter

[01:03:44] Alex Tsakiris: Then You didn’t, you didn’t, you did either. Didn’t understand or don’t agree with what I just said. No,

[01:03:49] Al Borealis: I did Because the re reply is, is to use the stuff in Turbo as a bottleneck against them.

[01:03:56] Alex Tsakiris: No, the point is that the Fed, the United States Federal Reserve, as bad as it is, as corrupt as owned by whoever.

Is still in control. There will be no move away from the US currency there. Will they? You do not. We haven’t even begun Turkey

[01:04:15] Al Borealis: and Ambi and Saudi Arabia.

[01:04:18] Alex Tsakiris: They, no. It just will what they’re, what they’re demonstrating to me, one of the takeaways is there’s a lot more power there than you might have thought.

Yeah. And that was the problem, you know, when you were pitching me the Bitcoin thing mm-hmm. a year ago, and by the way, you know, your Bitcoin now has to basically triple in value for you to even get back to Brady Break even. And please don’t tell me that it’s a good time to buy because you said it was a good time to buy at $40,000.

I’m buy like Gracie. Oh good. What are you doing with the stuff you bought at 40? The point is the, the United States for good, bad, whatever, understands that they have to control and dominate economically. And they’re not gonna do the, they’re not gonna let go of that without a fight. No. And the fight is, so everyone was what I just told you about the chips thing, what that should do for everyone.

And go look at the rivers that don’t even have any water and the electricity that they can’t do, and there’s zero. Tolerance policy on Covid, which is insane and is gonna run the country into the ground and now reassess and say, oh, those are the guys that I thought a couple months ago were gonna knock the US currency off the top of the hill.

No way. Go look at where their currency is relative to the United States. My wife just went to Octoberfest. She stayed in the finest hotels for next to nothing because the dollar is stronger than it’s ever been in my lifetime. So a few months ago it was, oh, my, the US dollar, it’s done. The pet, it don’t that look that way.

Now, it could look totally different six months from now, but just, or,

[01:06:05] Al Borealis: or one month from now. This is just a part of the battle man. Now, uh, you, you’re very impressed by that move, but, uh, there are many moves going on. Yes, they will. Of course, they won’t go down. without the fight. And, uh, the fight will get dirty.

The fight is dirty. The whole Ukraine thing is a part of this. They’re basically sacrificing an entire country. And Europe is on the brink of collapse. Uh, Norways the part of eu, but we are also suffering because our retarded politicians somehow feel loyalty to Europe. So the, we have so much power here.

We have oil, gas, we have waterfalls, we have wind, and they’re giving it for free almost to Europe, and then they’re buying it back expansively. So now I’m suffering too because of these morons. But, um, Europe and, and Europe is waking up to being screwed by America because the America first bumps, uh, the north.

Both the new one and the old one. So now Germany has nothing, and then we, they say, Hey, you can buy it from us. And then we buy it four times as much as the price. So they’re squeezing. So even the loyal European, uh, henchman are starting to get cold feet done are, are having a very hard time dealing with the protests because there’s protests all over the world now is just not being reported.

Farmers are on the street because the great reset is happening in real time as we speak for, uh, and I don’t have time to go into it, but they’re screwing farmers, big time, huge corporations taking up everything. So corporatism is endgame of the corporatism. They’re desperate now. That’s why I think they also have this covid thing in backhand in case they’re really losing.

Then they have to do something like that to just, because everything is coming home now to roost. They can’t hide the vaccine damage anymore. People are waking up left and right, not just in China. I’m impressed by the Chinese raising up, but I’m just as impressed, uh, with the, the racing up in, uh, Australia.

In Europe, uh, we saw in Canada not long ago, the truckers, right? Yes. So things are happening all over the place and the, the rulers are in, uh, squeeze because they have to fight the geopolitical battle at the same time. They have to fight the inner battle. Against us, the people and Russia, China, and other countries abroad are actually supporting the up price of the people in the West because they realize too that, you know, uh, this is a monolith that has to fall.

And, uh, any country, if you look at history, the real fall of a power is from within, from without can help. But there’s always this, uh, screw effect, you know, to front war. So I’m, I’m not that impre. I, I, I’m impressed. Yes. And I think they would even introduce UFOs and whatnot. If they really are about to fall, they, everything would come out.

[01:08:59] Alex Tsakiris: You don’t, you don’t believe in UFOs, . Anyway, let’s, let’s not get off of, I do believe

[01:09:03] Al Borealis: in a classified space program. ?

[01:09:05] Alex Tsakiris: No. That, that’s, it doesn’t, it’s a non-starter to say I believe in a classified space program that has advanced technologies from UFOs. But I don’t believe in UFOs and ets, or I believe in UFOs, but I don’t believe in ets.

It’s logically inconsistent, but that’s why I say we could do 10 Yeah. Shows on all of this

[01:09:23] Al Borealis: stuff. Should we segue

[01:09:24] Alex Tsakiris: to that? Well, you know, just to, to wrap up the other thing, because I think this is really, to me, the, uh, the crux of the issue back to the mountain. Yeah. Because we can’t forget that that’s what.

Drew us together. That’s what bonds our deeper friendship. Yeah. When we have these discussions, cuz we do get at odds on some of the stuff down at the ground level, but the further we get up the mountain, then the further we just go, oh, okay. Yeah, I see you fellow seeker, icu, U fellow, deep spiritual person.

The problem I have with your continued analogy of the battle and hooray for the people who will rise up and do that. Is that back to what I was talking about, Eddie Bravo and Joe Rogan. You know, I mean, Sam is, he’s a comedian and so Eddie Bravo is, he’s gone on tour with Eddie Bravo. Eddie Bravo’s, one of the leading flat earth, you know, and I get it, man.

They’re just playing around. They’re just, see, it’s, it’s like you said, which is that I understand the entertain, like, I’ve been doing this for so long, the whole entertainment thing snuck up on me. Right. I didn’t see it as, as that people are entertained Hmm. By people find entertainment from podcasting. I never looked for, I, I was foolish, naive enough to think that when I was listening to interviews, I was learning something.

That was always my goal. Yeah. I never wanted to listen to someone to be entertained. I liked being entertained, but I

separate

[01:10:54] Al Borealis: that entertainment. The most popular show. My brother was just visiting me and he’s been opening his mind lately and I’m surprised he’s even a fan of me now. And as Ask, what was it, it was the biggest podcast in Norway called Kospi.

Porton. And what on earth is that? Well, they are entertaining conspiracy theories. And then I realized game, it’s pure entertainment. They have a new topic every week and they always have this ironic distance to it, but they take it seriously enough to, you know, some of these, uh, conspiracies they buy into exactly.

but it’s always this, this, see here, see this new shiny object we are showing you no. A mace over that for a while and let me put it back in the books and we find a new one next week and go on with your life. And nothing matters. Exactly. An evil doesn’t matter. Exactly.

[01:11:43] Alex Tsakiris: Right. Right.

[01:11:43] Al Borealis: Exactly. That’s

[01:11:44] Alex Tsakiris: how it is.

I never saw that coming. No, never

[01:11:48] Al Borealis: saw that coming. I did because I was utterly entertained with the Joseph Farrell’s, uh, talks with um, this old lady, but it was pure info. But that’s because I’m entertained by info. You understand?

[01:12:00] Alex Tsakiris: Right. But that, that’s a great, that’s a great point cuz I am too. I’m entertained by

[01:12:05] Al Borealis: information.

Yeah. But they need, they need awes shock and awe. But, uh, one of the things I said about your show all this time was that, um, I find when you get, uh, uh, contesting with your guests, when you start to giving them a hard time, uh, especially the skeptics, that’s the shows I find most entertaining. But when you have a so-called friendly unto you, when you’re like all, all over the guy or gal, right?

And ooh, you’re a great star, who then you often you tend to go deeper and that’s the most enlightening. Interviews you, do you see the distinction? Yes. So apparently I picked up on it already back in the day. I just never thought about it until you made me aware. No,

[01:12:49] Alex Tsakiris: I never thought about it until you just mentioned it.

[01:12:52] Al Borealis: Yeah. But it’s been, it’s been like, uh, a, a deliberate cultivation of entertainment aspect of the Alti stuff. That’s what, uh, Netflix can afford. Right. , but they can’t go all the way. It’s, it’s back to the boundary. A certain amount of spilled over into the exoteric field of the norm is the muggles. Right?

The exos, the sleepwalks. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . So now you can, you can kind of deal with it like UFOs. Now you can do a UFO thing and be taken seriously. Mm-hmm. . So it’s like the Overton windows is, is being stretched bigger and bigger. But at the same time, we have this force, we have this force at the same time, a simultaneous force.

And this force is not natural because I believe the first one is the trend of opening up the paradigm shutters. It’s a trend. But then you have the artificial force doing cancel culture, uh, identity politics, um, censorship. Now I have to have a show in 2022 called The Case for Freedom. Yeah. Yeah. I never saw that coming when I started back in 15.

That I have to convince people that freedom of a tick. Oh yeah. That’s the result of the other force that’s working in parallel. It’s like both forces are getting stronger at the same time. There’s the, there’s the go into your silo, go into your bubble and don’t even dare peeking out of it. And at the same time, Oh, nothing.

There’s no taboos anymore. We can discuss anything with animals. Yes. So it’s so weird that both of those are there at the same time. Fuck there, if anything proves the simulation theory. That’s it.

[01:14:30] Alex Tsakiris: al you are awesome, but you know. Mm-hmm. , it’s the knuckle draggers, right? So, mm-hmm. , the, this is the, you are not going to, this is the slow hard truth that I’ve come to. Is No, the knuckle draggers are quite happy being knuckle draggers, and they’re actually quite proud. Of being knuckle draggers. Mm-hmm. . And the dilemma that we really face that you don’t wanna talk about mm-hmm.

and I don’t wanna talk about, is they are as much an obstacle as they are a force for the positive change we wanna see in the world. So when you talk about the people being woken up, wh wh what are they waking up to? They’re waking up to their own crazy version of reality. Mm-hmm. And I think that there’s a, there’s the kind of shoehorn effect here where the two extreme ends of the, of what seemed to be the polar opposites, the further you go, they start coming together.

Yeah. So we start coming together with the crazy satanist, the crazy elitist, the crazy luciferians who say, as I said in last year’s show, what the hell do you wanna be in the soup with those people for those idiots? This is the French Revolution all over again. Right. This is not the American Revolution, this is the French Revolution where this is, uh, this is the killing fields in Cambodia.

Let’s take anyone who’s intellectual, who thinks, who wears eyeglasses, let’s take ’em out and kill ’em. Right. . So that, that has always been at risk. Right. And. . So we, we turn around and we say, who are our real allies in this? Mm-hmm. . And when we start looking and they start looking more and more like elitist who say, yeah, we don’t really, no, we don’t really want those people around.

Those people are not

[01:16:20] Al Borealis: helping. Ah, but I have a solution for that problem. Okay. Yeah, I have a solution for that. Uh, I, I, I see where you’re taking it. It is a very great point. You’re racing. I’m glad you’re taking it off because I’ve noticed a tendency in you that you kind of expect all the different people you talk with to calm together on all the different issues, illusions that are crumbling.

And I, I’ve always thought you expect too much of people. Uh, the, the real, uh, journey up the mountain is for yourself, not for the collective. The best we can hope for right on, for the collective is for them to, because look, I have to go back, uh, a step before I get to the punchline. You know, as well as me, we’ve discussed this before, that almost everyone in the world today realizes that something is rotten in the state of Denmark, but they realize this within their own narrow silo, and they don’t transfer it to everything else.

They think everything else is working smoothly because they’re not an expert in that field. I’ll give you a short example. I have in my family. A geologist is retired now, professor, he’s been fighting the climate change. Now, I’ll talk about synchronicity. This lady that you, uh, showed to Bernardo Castro, I just discovered her a few days ago.

This, uh, climatologist, Dr. Judi something. So that was funny to see you, Dr. Curry. Yeah. You brought her up in your show with, uh, Castro that I loved. Anyway, back to point. So he’s realized. For this long, but he doesn’t realize that it’s the same collapse of checks and balances within the field of medicine.

So he believes the vaccine thing. His father was a doctor. He, he, he’s oblivious of that, but he knows it’s rotten and corrupted and he’s fighting in the climate change area. You see, this is how everyone is functioning and I, I think most people don’t have. Strength to even entertain that, you know, the whole paradigm needs to, uh, change.

But anyway, back to my point. I said I had

[01:18:23] Alex Tsakiris: a certain no, no, that, that, but that’s such a great point. I just have to That’s such an awesome, awesome point. And we’ve all experienced that where someone wakes up to part of it and then remains Yeah. Kind of totally entrenched in the rest. So go

[01:18:36] Al Borealis: ahead. And then you poke them and try to force them, like you did it with Bernardo too.

Obviously he wasn’t ready for, for some hard truth in, in wonderfully because he hasn’t paid attention to it. Oh, he can talk like a master on the thing that you usually have him on for, that you share on. But then you see what happens when you try to push him into another water. He becomes a human being like everyone else.

Now these are the knuckle draggers you are criticizing. So how to handle it. Ron Paul had a solution long ago. In fact, even before him, Leon Trotsky had the exact same solution. It doesn’t matter where you’re coming from. And they all said, and not just those two, but there are two very different examples who realize one single truth that we all have been common.

And that is, is never about. . Um, it’s never about getting the majority. It’s never about getting everyone enlightened, everyone to see the illusion, everyone to agree upon the, so solutions to the illusion. It’s always been about coalitions. That’s how the human collective mind moves forward. If enough people are against the vaccine, I don’t care.

You can be a Nazi, a Christian fundamentalist, you can be a virus denier. Come into my camp, come in into my town. Okay, there’s room here. We fight this fight and we win. Bam. Okay? What’s the next fight? Is the next fight, uh, whether UFOs, uh, whether we have free energy, anti-gravity come into my tent, whoever it is, because that way this is real democracy, Alex.

It’s better than any democracy that’s been designed by any system because usually those democracies become the dictatorship of the majority. This mechanism that everybody comes together and pushes in the same direction for this specific issue brings us forward. There will be more runs in attempt on the this specific issue, and they will lose other battles where we may be against.

because then we are fighting that battle. But for this specific issue, let’s come together and I sincerely believe that the, uh, majority will always go in the right direction in this situation, given that we are not too manipulated, given that there’s a minimum of free speech and open information, this is why they need to control the informa.

This is explains two things. Of course it goes without saying that they control media and why. We don’t even have to discuss that. Everybody knows, everybody agrees, but that’s just one coin of the control game. The other one is to keep us in fighting. We have to blame our neighbor. We can’t ever, you know, mention any of the entities in, uh, uh, controlling mechanism.

That’s where we smack down. So how to do that, cancel culture, amp up the cultural war so people care more about abortion or gender or what have you. All sorts of insane things so that we don’t come together on the important things that has to do with economy or, or the control, you know, the, the passport, the, the, so social credit system, all that stuff.

No, divide and conquer is the game. So I can’t get on people because they look at my curriculum and they’re very comfortable. If they only saw the other guests I had on for their area, but then they see guests for other area. They don’t know the guests, they don’t even understand the area. They think it’s some kind of lunatic show going on here.

And I can’t get that guest on because I’m not only focusing on baseball. I have the audacity to focus on all the sports. Yeah. Right. And so I have to try to dance around, tap dance around to get them on what, why I am mentioning this. It’s directly connected to this grand reality of our modern site geist, which.

Divide and conquer. You can’t talk to your neighbor. You have to blame your neighbor. Just don’t blame fauci or anyone in the top politicize. Everything. Everything becomes about teams, everything. Oh, you’re on the wrong team. Ba cancel. This is the opposite of science, and this is how science has been hijacked.

So when you say we don’t believe in science anymore, I disagree. We don’t believe in institutionalized science or scientists there, you know, the politicization and commercialization of science. But I do believe in the process and that process says you can share bad with anyone, any for any reason. Like in the old days, remember they said any, uh, advertisements is good advertisement ba completely out of the window today.

Okay, I’ll stop my rant now. Are you following me?

[01:23:05] Alex Tsakiris: I’m following you. I’m just, I, I I resonate more with the conversation we had last year because we covered a lot of the same ground and at some point you had done a spectacular interview on some audacious title, like the Hidden Secrets of Everything or something like that.

It was about, yeah, is about an, an esoteric, uh, occulted understanding of death, you know, and you really were quite impassioned in talking about how much knowledge there really is that has been carefully preserved through systems of, of through wisdom traditions about death. And then we talked about that in contrast to modern.

After death science, like after death communication or near death experience. Or shared death experience. But the, the, the key central point that I think we both came to is that the vastness of this experience. Which we don’t even understand this experience, this, we understand that this, this experience of being human, like you and I talking right now, we understand that that’s a tiny, tiny little trap in this ocean of my soul.

Yeah. Of my, of my soul. Yeah. I was gonna say consciousness, but that, that’s too grand just in my soul’s journey. Yeah. This is tiny, tiny, tiny. So that’s the problem I guess I have with the big tent, uh, coalition kind of thing. No. Yeah. But everything is relative. Ho. Hold on. Yeah. Hunger only for truth. Hunger.

Only for justice. Only for truth. Only for justice. No compromise. If you believe, if you’re a Christian, no. You need to go back and understand. Right, right, right. The fallacy of the historical Jesus narrative. If you’re a Muslim, even worse. Mm-hmm. If you’re a Judy, if you believe in Judaism, then you’ve missed the whole point of the first two points of things.

Mm-hmm. , no, we do not need to tolerate other people’s silliness. We should not suffer fools gladly. No. We should not respect other people’s belief. Hunger only for truth, but hunger. Only for justice and love. Because in the end, we’re just tiny little drops in in our soul’s. . Got you.

[01:25:27] Al Borealis: Yeah. I wanna comment upon this.

Okay. I’m glad you kind of restarted us back to that subpoint of yours because Yeah, it’s a valid point. But the irony here, you, you, you come off as an activist on this really a truth, uh, warrior and you always been, but here’s where are kind of cultural thing is different because I, I come from esoterica that’s like, we’ve already thrown in the towel and said, we give up.

We can’t make everyone aware. We, we just, we just, the default is everybody sleeping. And now I’m gonna try to wake up as much as I can. And if I meet others on my journey, we also seek that or has some ability to do that, or has shown to do that to some extent. I’m gonna hitch my wagon to that person as long as that’s useful for both of us.

And so this brings the age old philosophical problem of, uh, what is the function? And I, I, I, I discussed this briefly also with his work. What is the function of our reality? And to me, it seems like the function of reality is changing right now. Like they’re changing the , the goal of the simulation game we’re in.

But if the function is that we are, we are some kind of school, right? Then your problem is really that in your parents, instead of putting you in an elite school where people are functioning at your level, you’re being put in a school. A Norwegian school. In the Norwegian school, we put morons and geniuses in the same, that’s the whole philosophy of our country, that uh, it benefits both of them to be in the same class.

But then you’re gonna be annoyed by all these morons who still hasn’t even figured out how to come. That happened with me. My grandfather taught me when I was four years old to read and write and count. Cool. And so when I came in the first class in school, uh, I was super bored. I couldn’t pay attention.

And we don’t have like, oh, uh, the morons in one class and the leads in another. So the teacher gave me books for the six degree level. So I was sitting in a behind reading those books being very bored. And that developed, uh, uh, sabotage for me, namely that I never did homework. I never, why should I do homework?

I already know all this stuff. So that became a bad habit. So everyone caught up with me. By the time you came to the six d six degree class, and that’s what happening with you, you’re complaining of of Yeah. But don’t you see if you can realize you have to eat a bit, Alex, my default view is that that’s impossible.

Yes, you look if you can get even 10% to that level. But my point with the coalition, uh, uh, method is that we don’t need, uh, 50% enlightment on any matter we can get. You know, uh, a critical moss may be as low as 10%. And then a revolution comes about. A French revolution comes about just by 10%. And because we now have forced with our will, our collective will a new normal, that new normal will stimulate the morons easier to wake up to higher realities, high, uh, other important, uh, areas where they have to shift the paradigm because now society is a little better on this small issue that we changed.

So now we are stimulating people instead of pushing them down because that’s really what the fight is about. It’s about creating collective tools to keep us down or do us down or make a devolution versus creating collective tools to races, stimulators inspire us to, to better us. That’s, uh, at one level a battle that has gone on for a long time too.

And I’m sure many of those who actually introduces. Solutions that aren’t solutions. They are at best detours and distractions, but more likely they are sabotaging mechanism. Many of those have this same glimmer in their eye as you. When you talk about this, you are a true seeker. You want a better mentor from many of them too, but they’re just incredibly misguided.

And so in many levels there is also a battle of ideas. It’s always a battle of ideas at the same time as it’s a battle of specific issues. So I agree with you for the battle of ideas, but it’s something about you have to choose your battles too. If you wanna win the war and you can’t expect an entire battalion to join you on every single battle.

You, you want to go into battle, you find VEing soldiers where you need them, and that way you will win the war, even if it’s not the same brothers in arms in every battle. You understand what I mean?

[01:30:03] Alex Tsakiris: I understand. Let me bring it down to a real personal okay. Example. Mm-hmm. , small one that I think everyone can relate to.

We have a dog, I’m gonna send you a picture of the dog. Mm-hmm. , it’s huge. This huge 150 pound dog that somebody couldn’t take care of anymore. And my wife, who we fostered like 50 Dog Wonderful. Is 60 at this point. Oh wow. So, so Freddy and now is always the case. The dog comes in as my wife’s dog and winds up being the dog that I have to walk and take care of.

I’m walking back from the beach with the dog and I’m, I’m walk up to my neighbor who is a big dog person and she’s super nice and, um, where’s

[01:30:45] Al Borealis: the picture? I can’t see it. I wanna see it while you talk about it. I mean, lemme pull it up. Or him or her? Him. Is it a bitch? Him. Him. Okay. I just love an excuse to say that word,

political. Correct. Norway, you know? Yeah,

[01:31:02] Alex Tsakiris: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let’s get it. Uh, let’s get

[01:31:05] Al Borealis: the, oh look, it’s

[01:31:06] Alex Tsakiris: there. There we are at Thanksgiving. There’s a bunny. Yeah. Uh, here’s Freddy. But you can’t . Look at, oh wow. There’s, there’s

[01:31:16] Al Borealis: Freddy. Can you see? I can’t make out the r Even the race, he’s huge.

[01:31:20] Alex Tsakiris: He’s huge.

Here. Let’s give you a better picture of him. Uh oh, here he is with the whole fam.

[01:31:25] Al Borealis: Oh, he’s a Saint Bernard.

[01:31:27] Alex Tsakiris: He looks like it. He’s actually a, um, a mastiff. Oh, okay. But you can see how huge he is, right? Yeah.

[01:31:34] Al Borealis: Ko huge. Yeah, huge dog.

[01:31:36] Alex Tsakiris: So, walking back, I walked past, I see my neighbor and I’m gonna walk up, just chat with my neighbor.

I don’t know how, but the term, the name Fauci came up and she goes, oh, oh, oh. I, I, I love that guy. Right. It was probably nine months ago, you know, right in the heart of it. So California now. Right. When you hear that you can , you can react in a number of different ways. Yeah. But I have a hard time not reacting at a real visceral level, but I’ve managed to maintain that to a certain extent.

And I go, but Carol, I mean, have you looked it all into any of the stuff on him? I, I, no. I like him. I just, I just think he’s a good guy. What about gain of function? I said, do you know what gain of function is? No. I just, no, I, I just, I like him. Give

[01:32:26] Al Borealis: her a Robert, um, Kennedy’s book for Christmas. Okay. It’d be a good neighbor.

Yeah. It’s called The Real Anthony Fauci. Shout out.

Shout

[01:32:36] Alex Tsakiris: out. Here’s my question. Like we all get that, but what do we do with it? Because, Oh, what do we do with that at that other spiritual level? Because she is a good person. She has a good heart. I’ve known her for decades. Hmm. And I, I have deep feelings of affection for her.

We live in the same turf, on the same dirt, you know? Yeah. And so how are we supposed to hold those people in our lives? I’m torn because she’s clearly, completely moronic about, uh, fauci.

[01:33:17] Al Borealis: She just has she just have wrong information? People make decisions.

[01:33:21] Alex Tsakiris: No, no. She has no, no, she has no interest in, that’s my point.

That’s the knuckle dragger. Yeah, that’s what I thought. See, I thought Richard Cox, if I really spent the time and explained to him how ridiculous no virus is. Mm-hmm. , how there’s hundreds and thousands of journals and journal papers on virology that have been peer reviewed. And the sh can only exist inside of a world, like you said, a bracketed reality where there’s some basic truth fundamentally to viruses.

And there may be a lot of non-trust, but I mean, basically it’s not a no virus world. Mm-hmm. that is just, that is e equivalent, right? Mm-hmm. . So how do we, how do we. In that world, how do we go forward? And this is like a, a, this is like a deep question for me. It’s a question I really think about. How do I wanna be in the world?

What do I wanna do? And that’s why I said I paused skeptical. I’m not sure how to go forward, but I’m sure that the way I have been going at it is not going to serve me, because skeptical has always been about my journey shared, you know? Mm-hmm. It’s really just about my journey. And the trick is I put it out there and share it so that I can talk to a wider number of people, but it’s really just my journey and it’s still my journey.

Mm-hmm. I’m not sure my journey is served by doing it the way that I’ve done it, because of Richard Cox, because of Carol next door, because of the knuckle draggers in the world who really don’t really just want to be kind of left alone . They don’t, they really don’t want the truth.

[01:35:04] Al Borealis: No, no. The truth hasn’t been, you know, you should really, uh, the way forward for you is to make a time machine and go back to ancient Egypt because there, that’s the last culture that had, uh, we have enjoyment.

Our current side guest enjoyment is on top of everyone. If everybody wanna be honest with themselves. Maximum enjoyment. That wasn’t the collective paradigm of the ancients. For them it was wisdom. That was the highest virtue. Insight, the ability to understand as much as possible. That’s why when we look back, we don’t understand what anything they were on about.

Uh, the best we can do is to interpret it literally and thinking they have knuckle draggers because we are knuckle draggers. So we project, but no, it’s a serious, uh, issue. Uh, and I’m glad you used the neighbor problem. I don’t have a clear answer for you for once. Um, because now you’re entering into the domain of the individual.

You have to make an individual assessment like in your shoes. What would I do? It depends on what I knew about her, but I would have, I would need an inkling of interest from her to even bother pushing anything at all. Amme, just do, uh, like obscure question. Well, are you so sure about him? Well, what if there’s a shadow side, blah, something, you know, just to put in a seed.

But you cannot convert someone who do, who is not interested, who is not seeking to shift their paradigm. That’s our problem. Usually the best way to do it. Cuz I’ve been researching this for years and years through my work, through my other stuff, and that’s. You start changing the information they get, and then you see what kind of person they are based on that new information they now have access to.

Some will start questioning or, or, or seek elsewhere. Others will maybe just hold, say, rejected because it’s too much, because they realize it will become a, for them, a painful paradigm shift. Yes, others will try to maybe bend backwards to make it fit, but people have very different reactions and you can only take, let, let, let’s reduce this to sales.

This is how I train my salespeople. Back in the day, I said, first of all, you can’t sell anything. You don’t, you’re not convinced of. You have to believe in the product that’s gonna make you a real seller because if nothing else, the intuition of the buyer will bust you. Uh, you can have all the right information, all the right facts.

You’re conveying it without conviction. Uh, there’s something, uh, designating in your message. So you have to make, you have to believe in it yourself. That’s number one. Then number two, they need to either. Displeased with the current type of item that this is representing, or at least be open for that there’s possible to surpass it.

If they’re very in love with the item they already have. You can’t sell to them even if they needed, uh, even if you’re selling ice and you’re in Sahara. So it’s, it is all about the other person and collectively forget about it. This is why I’m going back to the coalition because you can always do the fight for the right thing there and then with those who are walking up to that thing there and then, but you can’t expect everyone to wake up to everything or even wanting to do it because we live in a reality where, uh, most of us are still trying to learn the letters and read, whereas we just look, if enough of us are ahead of that game so we can do something different, which is what we’re do.

I’m just appreciating any time I meet a person, I don’t think there’s one other person in the world who would agree with me about everything. If you had enough time and resources to really, you know, take that battle down. I know some people do the mistake of discovering someone that understands them very well and they understand them and then they, oh, we are so measure

[01:39:08] Alex Tsakiris: everything.

[01:39:09] Al Borealis: But the thing is, you may have a good chemistry for communication and you may have some common values, but there’s always going to be discrepancy and you may not. Have a better life with this person just because you agree about certain things. In fact, it should be more on the personal level. You agree, uh, on the existential level to, you know, really feel as an existential harmony.

Yeah. So this is the best I can do. Uh, I’ve, uh, given up long ago thinking that the, I, I’m just amazed that we can do as much as we do today. It just compare us to 10 years ago, 50 years ago, a hundred years ago, there’s never been more awakened people than now, Alex, your c saying the glass is half empty.

I’m saying it’s actually half full because I’m coming from a much more ne holistic, pessimistic outlook on the collective than you are doing. You think this battle for truth is actually at some level it’s welcome and it can actually change anything. Again, people have to want change. They have to be ready for change.

This is why our certain maturity among the souls are needed for us to take anything up to a next level. And, and how do we even know? Look, we may be artificially stifled. You sent me the, uh, link to Greer and he’s arguing that we’ve been kept down artificially. Maybe if someone like GRE were put in, in charge of everything and, uh, Could just dictate how stuff should be.

So, and let’s say he did it right so that we were stimulated on every single area. I think we could double or maybe triple the level of society function zone. But there would still be rapists, there would still be, you know, knuckle draggers. There would still be people who, who’s not on board with, you know, going forward.

That’s just how, how our class, that’s the level we are functioning on, man. That’s all I can say. So, okay, that’s good. When it comes to where you’re gonna take skeptical, you, you should consider then do you want to make maximum impact than fewer people? Do you want to go for quantity? Do you want to awake maximum people, number of people, then you have to amp down, you know, the quality.

I, I don’t think you can do both. The maximum awakening and a majority at the same time. Sorry.

[01:41:33] Alex Tsakiris: So I, I think you got some interesting points because we’re dancing around some of the, the fundamental issues that, uh, I always bring us back to. Yeah. Cuz I love your Occulus perspective, which you gave us earlier in the show, which needs to be fully, I think, spelled out and appreciated and I don’t wanna misrepresent it.

So at any time, jump in there and tell me. Sure. But what I heard you say earlier in the show is that, look, people who understand that there is this esoteric, cultivated, hidden knowledge have learned that there’s a certain practical system for perpetuating that knowledge going forward. Yeah. And one aspect of it is that you, you, you don’t give it out to everybody.

And when you do give it out, you’re kind of careful and you kind of, you know, it’s not for everyone. No. Not everyone’s ready for it. Go with the simple story first. I like how you connected that to sales, because I think that is the sales, uh, the, the sales value system, which is, it’s the example I always use.

I have a lot of experience in sales and sales training as well. And you know, Jordan Belfor, people might remember from the Wolf of Wall Street, the famous movie. Mm. And he’s a sales trainer, and he is written a number of books. And as you were going through your experience with training salespeople, I was thinking Jordan Belfor.

And that’s one of his things is like, Hey, if you know, he, what I love about him is it’s very black and white in terms of the decision tree you go through and he goes, okay, if you get to this point and they say, no, move on. You’re not gonna sell that person. Now this person, da da da da. But the point of Jordan Belfor is no one can read that and say, that’s not black magic.

Hmm. It is, it is. It’s mind control. Yep. It’s say this, repeat this, couch it this way. And you can manipulate this person into doing what you want. And if they fall into this category, then you’re gonna be less statistically likely to manipulate them in the way that you want. So move on to your next call.

So the intersection, this, this relates back, this is why a, a, a cultism gets a bad name, right? Mm-hmm. , because you are learning in the process of learning how to perpetuate truth, you’re also learning how to. Subvert how to, uh, uh, dominate how to, you know, yeah, do all the, the bad stuff that you sent me in the latest thing of the latest pedophile elite kind of thing that comes up all the time.

It’s like, why the hell not? I have the power. How do I know I have the power if I don’t exercise the power in some way? So this, I think as we return to again and again in our discussion here, is the fundamental core issue is how do we walk this line? How do we walk this path of being a truth warrior?

Being a light warrior may, may, the okay truth that is in your heart, the virtuous truth that’s in your heart, how can that always come forward from that perspective? Right? Do you understand what I’m

[01:44:51] Al Borealis: saying? Yeah. I, I have one idea I just wanna say about the sales. These are the, yeah, these are the black magicians in sales.

We know them. And, uh, they would say, you don’t have to believe in the product. Just use the right manipulation tools. Now there’s also a white magic principle in sales, and that’s the believe in the product thing. But at the end of the line, that’s not how you really spread. Uh, something. It’s the trend versus the fashion.

Fashion is imposed upon us. If you, uh, own all the control mechanisms of information, so you have an your international corporation, sure you can day in and day out bombard us with advertisement. And yes, it’ll work to a certain extent, but then they look with horror and envy on real movements of trends where it comes from the bottom.

For example, um, uh, yeah, something that’s how Beatles became popular to take something trivial or, you know, Paul Cuelo, he didn’t have much marketing for his book, the Alchemist, but he just went, oh, oh, Harry Potter, right? Nobody could predict it. It just happened. This is the best way. This is the white way.

It’s the natural way. And that’s why I said to my, uh, salespeople, you have to believe in it. Now, if you look at how ideas spread, we have a very erratic, I would say even our, our sick, uh, aspect in our culture. And that comes from the monistic religions, uh, especially Christiandom and Islam, because they have been using, uh, preach.

Converting people, and you would think that’s effective because they are the largest religions. And then you look at the masons and say, no, no, no, no, you can join us. Huh? You think you can join us? Well, maybe if you hope through this obstacle and this and that, but this bullshit. Because, uh, if you know anything about Masons, you know you can join them if you really know how it works,

But the sales pitch is different, and it’s much better. And it’s the, oh, it goes back to the old thing. I don’t want to belong to a club that wants me now. Let’s rewind to the religions. I said that the conversion religions, the preaching religions, they didn’t become big by preaching. That’s a misnomer. How they really became big was with force.

It was by the world in both cases. And as soon as they were big, right, then they could continue their campaign with this preaching thing. And this clus in, because humans, most humans are habitual. So before Christendom came, they were habitual of the old religions. They were enlightened. Even if then religions were enlightened, and it’s the same today, we are habitual.

So if they can force a new paradigm on. , we will, to a certain extent move along with it. But that’s why I think the battle now is between those who find artificial means to try to influence everyone on the earth at the same time. It goes back to what I said, uh, two season reviews ago when I said that, wow, it’s a game, computer game for the first time.

The whole of the world is wall up in it. Well, with that comes also the information war, right? So for the first time, they may not influence Chinese people. Uh, the Western oligarchs may not in terms of how they would think politically, but they can influence us by, for example, um, you know, the mosque reality may be a global thing.

It’s cracking now, of course, the vaccine reality. So there’s certainly things that can make us believe, and it’s still black magic because essentially in black magics is scarcity and fear. Scarcity and fear, not inspiration and truth. And that’s really the path you are on in. So how can you continue that path where you are using, where you’re trying to appeal to the better nature of people where they want to know the truth, hope that they’re not too scared, not too scarcity, uh, you know, withdrawn into their own little.

Bubble. How can you entice them to come up? I’m doing the same. And for me, I’m coining it as paradigm shifts because people want to believe that they want to expand their worldview. People want to believe maybe it’s a, uh, what we call a lively, but theoretically they think they’re interested in truth. So I carefully introduce one piece here, one piece there, one piece here, one piece there.

And if you listen to enough shows, eventually many of those dots are going to come together without them intending it. And that helps them to want to get to the really bigger picture. But I, I’m very conscientious of the fact that, uh, someone comes in for the Oak Island mystery and they don’t care about the show we did about, uh, scientist for example.

But as they fall in love with the show, and this is why your show also has an important mission, as they fall in love with it, they start exploring other areas where I’m poking. And the same is happening in your show, but in a different way. You are more on a monolith journey, but you go by area, by area.

In seasons in like, I, I, I, I flirt with it, you know, within the same season, 10 different things. You are also going through those 10 different things, but you’re doing it in a longer ride, so to speak. So those who have still with you, Are still sharing that new level and you would have to assume they would get it, otherwise they wouldn’t keep riding with you.

And then you pick up new people and they may, like, I did go back and see, okay, where were you before? That’s interesting. That’s a very interesting experience to see. Okay, so this came before this and I’m with you there too. Otherwise I wouldn’t meet you at where you are now. So I don’t think the way you are doing it is, I don’t understand why you have to revisit that entire way because it’s working at some level is working.

Mm-hmm. , uh uh, let me say one more thing. Okay. Esoterica. Yeah. One important reason we try to keep it among our own is precisely that it shouldn’t fall in the hands of people like the deep state, right? Because they, you can be sure that they will do anything they can with this to try to make it something negative.

How can I use this thing to oppress, to dumb down, to keep them back? That’s why you have a responsibility when you know something that is good, that works, share with with it, with as many, you know, let’s say it’s like Jesus said, better to learn people to fish than to give them fish. I totally agree, but when people are not interested in learning how to fish, when they are just too incompetent, let’s say they don’t have legs and arms, then you have to keep giving them fish.

You need to know how exclusive it this fishing technique you’re exploring. You want to be, let, let anyone be able to get a whale. Well then it’s gonna be 10 people in your audience, man, but you want to get, let them get any type of creature in the ocean. Well then you can expand it to a hundred million people.

You see what I mean? You have to find that balance between quantity and quality. That’s what esoterica is all about.

[01:52:02] Alex Tsakiris: Okay. With that, I’m gonna play one more clip. Okay. And then I wanna hear what you have to say and then we can move towards predictions, adjourning. Okay. A predictions . Yes. Predictions. And then adjourning.

So here is, uh, uh, a clip from the show that we’ve mentioned a couple times on my, ah, interview with Love That Show, Bernardo Castro. Yeah. Let me go ahead and play it and then we’ll see what you think on this episode of Skeptical, A show about rules, when to break them,

[01:52:36] Al Borealis: still hanging out with the after party.

And, uh, with me. Uh, Tupac Shakur. Believe in Death row East. Believe in that real. When you believe in God,

[01:52:46] Alex Tsakiris: believe in death row East and when to follow them.

[01:52:51] Al Borealis: I accept the rules, you know, laboratory evidence, fine. That’s all I will look at. Reasoning fine. That’s all I will base my argument on. I will never appeal to my own personal subjective insight.

And you go a long way. It’s enough to win. After this transition has been accepted, then we can review the rules of the game.

[01:53:13] Alex Tsakiris: That first clip was from 1996, Tupac Shakur, who I included because he was kind of for breaking rules, and famously said, play the game, but don’t let the game play you. And the second was from our excellent, excellent guest, Dr.

Bernardo Castro, who has been on the show before. I highly respect is truly one of the leaders in paradigm change from biological robot, meaningless universe, to wherever we go next. Now, the rules game thing really has a lot of different meanings as this interview goes on. I would just interject that. Yes, it does, because as you pointed out, I grilled Bernardo pretty hard in terms of his, uh, going down the path of the, uh, Netherlands global climate change.

Like I always say, I had a guy who Nova Scotia, global climate Change. Everyone sees climate change on a global basis based on what’s the world looks like out of their, out of their window. But the point I was really making, I can kind of get off topic is Tupac, way back in the day, play the game. Don’t let the game play you.

And that’s what it’s about for me too. I’m gonna play the game. I’m not gonna let the game play me. I’m about my journey. I don’t care if I have an audience, truth be told, I never did care. Um, so no, it, it doesn’t matter. And if it all goes away, then it just keeps going on. Nothing changes. And that’s a good reason why I did stop, because I didn’t say I completely quit, but I’ve stopped.

Because until you stop, you can’t really talk about stopping . You have to stop in order to say, this is what it’s like to back off. Yeah. This is what it’s like to stop playing the game. Is anyone listening? If anyone wants me to go forward, I’ll figure out whether that makes sense. But if no one’s calling my name, then I, I can just stay on the bench.

That’s fine too. ,

[01:55:26] Al Borealis: man, are you turning our commemoration into an ? Geez. Oh my gosh. I didn’t know it was this serious. Look, you had a lot of, uh, people coming on your show to, to applaud your project. So, uh, it shouldn’t be the ba pendant on re response, but if it is, uh, that should be your cue. But no, I think you will.

The deeper you go, the smaller the audience you will cater to is, but on the other side, the more they will follow. Absolute, um, boundary, or should I say horizon? You understand? That’s how it works. Uhhuh , the, like, you know, I’m involved, um, um, in like, um, spiritual group, so to speak. Call it what you want. A mystery school, uh, gathering of equal, uh, kindred spirits.

And we are deliberately few. We can never become a mass movement. It’s against the entire thing and it’s much better, you know, the spiritual, um, what’s it called? Thrust gets fatigued. And huge gatherings like a football stadium is very limited. What you can achieve there. I mean, if you can get everyone to focus on a basic emotion, yes you can manipulate.

That’s what religions have done and that’s what, uh, political go states do. But if you wanna raise awareness and the level on a simultaneously, on as many, as much as possible, then it has to be a small clique. That’s how, uh, Jesus had 12 disciples, right? He didn’t have 12,000 disciples. So some things never change on this level of existence.

Nothing is new under the sun. This is one of them. This isn’t a new problem. What we are debating now, they debated it in Rome, in Greece, probably in Egypt, you name it, India. So it’s just the means are different. We are talking. Transmission of information via the ether. Right. So I, I don’t have an answer for you.

Uh, I acknowledge your good questions, but I recognize that these questions and that may, you may find some comfort in that, that these are age old questions and there are solutions of course, where there are people have been before. There are always solutions, but you have to find the one that’s right for you.

And, uh, that really depends. Enjoy this time or out assess very importantly what you really want to achieve. I think that’s the most important thing. And then the rest will, will follow, if you see what I mean.

[01:58:05] Alex Tsakiris: I, I, I do, I really appreciate your whole, all, all the, everything you’re saying. I especially appreciate the first part of what you’re saying, cuz I think there’s some really deep insights there in terms of how the energy works, how the energy works in a small number of people mm-hmm.

Versus how it works in a larger number of people. Mm-hmm. And whether we should seek this kind of crowd, push, push, but is always the draw or whether we should reduce. And the, the one thing I, I marry that to w was what I said is you, you can’t. You have to pause, you have to, I think I have to pause. I have to step back in order to go forward.

I can’t continue to do things the way that I’ve done them and then say, oh, this is now, uh, this is now different. And I think it’s, it’s just a natural part of the growth process. The other thing I think is a natural part of the growth process that I wanna tap into going forward is I wanna be more connected to, Truly the spiritual path of truth, of justice, of not being y you know, the, the, uh, look, I’m all about knowing as much as I can, um, but this isn’t, this knowing isn’t a competition.

So the knuckle draggers are not my enemy. They’re just kind of in my way, . I have to kind of move, move my shopping cart around them. But I don’t have to get hung up on that. And I think I do sometimes, or, and or I think in the same way, I always kind of thought the disinformation misinformation, co intel agents need to be exposed so people can see what they’re doing.

Maybe not so much. Maybe what I need to do, maybe what we need to do. Because when I say we, you know, last time we spoke, I talked about, I felt a need to bring truth to the truth community, to the alt media community that they’re kind of going off the rails. Well, in the last year, they’ve gone further off the rails.

It’s , it’s. Insane. It’s stupid. It’s just suffer fools. Gladly. It’s just one foolish idea after another. It’s gone from flat earth to, uh, heliocentric, uh, you know, kind of, uh, whatever the opposite of heliocentric is, you know? So it’s like and these ideas have to be presented. It, it has a wokeness to it. You know, these ideas have to be presented on an equal basis.

Maybe that’s true. We really can’t plant our flag in the ground. Maybe the, uh, sun really does revolve around the earth. Let’s talk about that. Seriously. No, we really don’t need to talk about it seriously. But what we maybe don’t need to do also is kind of spend a lot of time worrying about why people are going there.

And maybe we need to find a connection back to the heart. The love, the, yeah. Coalition light that’s in us. Yeah. Yeah. It’s well, the coalition, but in your coalition, you wanted the big tent, right? This is the big tent, small

[02:01:16] Al Borealis: tent thing, depending on the case, of course. But you, you, you are complaining about the fragmentation of, of the counterculture, which is real.

It’s true. Which is, uh, the only thing that can, can, uh, help It is the correlation thinking. But when it comes to surfer fool, gladly. Well, I mean, when in Rome, right? Um, Everything will become a battle man. You’ll, you’ll, you’ll end up alone. The end is now you will, uh, carry those signs down the street.

Nobody will listen. The more you push on someone who’s not ready, the more they will retreat. This is why the Masons are brilliant. They are saying, no, we got something exclusive going here. Uh, you have to come to us, knock. And, uh, maybe that’s what, what the rationale of the skeptics. Remember we discussed this back in the day.

Why are they retreating? Why are they now creating their own places for discussion? But nobody, but not discussing with anyone outside. Maybe because they want to radiate an exclusiveness. Everybody knows about them now and they know where to find them. And now let’s make some fun in our own house. Let’s have a party in our own house.

So people want to come and join our party. Maybe some kind of strategy like this, because we know Yes, they have. I love this. Yeah. Because they have good strategists, right? I love this. Yeah. But we can do the same.

[02:02:32] Alex Tsakiris: Yes. Um, that’s what’s, that’s what’s emerging right now. I’m not saying I’m going in this direction, but hey, hey.

That’s the, maybe that’s skeptical 3.0 is it’s a private club. With a small membership, please unsubscribe. . Either that

[02:02:49] Al Borealis: or it’s a huge club, but we have like 10 different parties going on in the same time. No, no. Well that’s my, that’s my house. No, . Come in. Come in and if you want it, if you, okay. I just like techno party.

I don’t like a classical concert. Well, okay, fine. But here the door is open. You wanna come in. Well, I like Alice as a conductor. I see he can be a DJ there and keeping conductor in the symphony. Let me peek in the symphony room and see what’s going on. And then, oh, I’m enthralled. I didn’t know I’ll even enjoy this.

I’m sitting down and checking it out. Or this is not for me. I’m retreating back to the techno party. This is how people are. You can’t expect anything less. And I, for one, I, I cannot choose. It’s interesting if you choose each, each, um, method, Dan, because we can assess and evaluate every year we hook up, right

Yeah, you can. How does it work for you? I think in the inspiration model, I think that if stuff was pedagogically angled to everyone, I think many of these knuckle draggers, if they realized there was a real option to dragging knuckles, they would maybe take that option because everybody has inside them.

As you started out this show, to declare everybody has this longing. We are all part of the same, uh, we are all of the light. So even the hardest sleeper can be wo woken. We have to, again, when in Rome, we have to tailor it to the individual. They all need different angles into the awakening. And if you push it, you’re gonna scare them away.

Bernardo Koro, who you tortured with your climate, uh, gate, uh, approach. I mean, you know, you could have him on an on and on for other, uh, subject that day and he will be a never ending resource. But if he retreats and recoils and becomes skeptical because you push an issue, a button, he’s, he’s not ready to, and I’m not, don’t, I don’t mean to like hang him out to dry hair.

This goes for all of us. No,

[02:04:47] Alex Tsakiris: because he doesn’t, he he, he does not. He is, you know, our conversation was very engaging and he was in it to the beginning. He handled

[02:04:56] Al Borealis: it like a man. He did.

[02:04:57] Alex Tsakiris: And he handled it like, yeah, not only, yeah, like, Hey, you want to go throw down? Let’s go. I’m, I respect the shit out of that.

So, look, we have to move on to this. Yeah. Okay. So as we move towards wrapping this up, what El what else do you have from Forum Boreal?

[02:05:12] Al Borealis: Yeah, I have a last, yeah, I have a last issue. And we can go on because I wanna play a clip of my show and get your comment on it. Awesome. This is one of our contention sports, I think, but it doesn’t need to be, but if it is, so be it.

But I really want to pick your brain on this because we’ve been dancing around it. I wanna play the end of my show called, not UAPs Explained. Um, it’s called. Of high strangeness. Now, let’s see if I can share with you. Any culture will tend to interpret any new phenomenon in terms of its own technology.

Have this all occurred in, uh, middle Ages that have been given a totally different interpretation of religious interpretation? We’ve entered the space age, therefore it is very logical for a new phenomenon. This sort to be interpreted in the, in terms of our own advanced technology. Um, it’s also complicated by the fact that astronomy has arrived at the point.

We know enough now about the evolution of stars to make it extremely likely that, uh, there are many other intelligences in the universe. But there, I think we have to follow Arthur C. Clark in pointing out that we take perhaps a much too narrow view of what intelligence in light in, in the universe may be.

We live on a water planet. It’s very logical. Therefore, there where our bodies are mostly water. It could be that our consciousness expresses itself through protoplasm and through our particular chemistry. There are bits of information today indicating that now, for instance, the George Wall at Harvard feel that consciousness is the most important factor and that consciousness can exist in many forms.

Do we are one of those. So anyway, as somebody said, the whole question of this trying to communicate with life elsewhere is like the not yet born talking to the long since dead because it takes so long for anything to get. Furthermore, an advanced civilization might regard radio as we regard jungle drums or smoke signals.

They may long since have passed the radio stage of, of communication. But still, I think it’s important that this program continue because it, it is mm-hmm. , it’s uh, it’s an adventure and should be done and it would be philosophically important to find out that there is some intelligent elsewhere. So my own philosophical feeling about the UFO phenomenon is that when all is said and done, it represents some form of intelligence.

But whether that intelligence is from great distances away, or whether it is perhaps much closer to us in a parallel reality or another dimension, or whether it is in some strange way a product of our own intelligence, our own psyche, I don’t know. This is the, this is the research problem that it’s in.

That it seems to be programmed, that it seems to have an intelligence of its own, I think is unmistakable. If anyone who studies the subject just sees that, we must not jump to the conclusion that cause it has an intelligence of its own, it is necessarily. Visitors from outer space, it may, may be in some strange way, connected with that intelligence, if that intelligence can in some way project itself down here.

Yeah, that’s the, that’s the quote I wanted to share with you. This was of course, Dr. Alan High Neck. I’m sure you’re aware of

[02:08:53] Alex Tsakiris: him. Yeah. It’s just super outdated. I mean, it’s no longer relevant, but that’s okay. Actually, it’s

[02:08:58] Al Borealis: not outdated. He was ahead of his time. Uh, in there he

[02:09:02] Alex Tsakiris: gave us It’s, it’s out. It’s outdated.

It’s outdated. Uh, you just go in my interview with Bernardo Castro, like in, in Bernardo is, is an embodiment of this kind of thing that you’re talking about. You know, he’s has to acknowledge UFOs because they’re they, they’ve been made incredibly

[02:09:19] Al Borealis: public. Of course he’s not entitled to his own facts.

That’s why he has to acknowledge it. Yes, exactly.

[02:09:24] Alex Tsakiris: And just so people understand what you’re saying, the it is now fact that they’re so, so, but then what, Bernardo still likes to smile and chuckle a little bit at the idea of et. Hmm. And what the clip I played for Bernardo, if you remember from that show, was I said, oh, okay, great.

Bernardo, you now have this, uh, really cool foundation that this billionaire from the Netherlands is set you up in and, uh, sent you and you know, you’re now able to pursue your own path in terms of consciousness. And who’s on the board of your directors? Oh, uh, let’s see here. It’s. . Jeffrey Kriel from Rice University, been on the show multiple times.

Let’s listen to Jeffrey Krichels interview with, um, oh my God, yeah. With Dr. Diana Walsh Polka and, um, Whitley Streiber. And let’s take note of the fact that Jeffrey k Cripple wrote a book with Whitley Schreiber. Just to remind folks, Whitley is probably the most well-known Abductee alien, abductee in history wrote the book.

Communion had the thing on the cover with the Alien. All the rest of this stuff has been on this show multiple times. Tells a story of MK Ultra, uh, abduction, the whole thing. Mm-hmm. . So now Bernardo’s kind of in a rock and a tough, in a hard place, right? Mm-hmm. , this Jeff k Cripple is on his advisory board of the Ascensia Foundation.

They’re in sync, unconsciousness and all the rest of this. But wait a minute, here he is totally, he’s written a book with Whitley Streiber. He’s totally on board with the fact that Whitley has had the abduction experience. He has shared the abduction experience with other people who have visited the cabin, right?

So Whitley says, Hey, these aliens come in and abduct me, and now he has a visitors to his house. And they go, holy shit. There were aliens in the cabin last night. And he goes, yeah, that’s what I’ve been telling you guys. Right? And also in that interview is Dr. Diana Walsh Paska, who is religious studies professor in North Carolina.

And. Just kind of stumbled into the U F O thing, but what does she tell all of us in that interview that I played is that, hey, this is back to the scientific method. The thing that really differentiated my book, American Cosmic, is that I did field research. I was out there with Tyler Durden pseudonym.

Yeah. And, uh, and we collected samples the same that I always remind people the same, that Dr. Jacque Vallee, the same kind that Jacque Vallee keeps in his pocket that are unexplainable from a material standpoint. You take our best scientists and you say, how would we manufacture this material here on our planet?

And they go, can’t do it. We don’t know how to do this. Is this organic material? No. This looks like material that was engineered by some highly intelligent, because look how it’s layered, kind of like our little computer chips. Mm-hmm. . So no. The discussion has moved past. Well, we don’t really know what it is.

And maybe they’re listening to the radio or not. No. Uh, this is again, kind of, this is what drives people nuts about, because I sound so confident and I, I I’m not confident. I’m just saying Occam’s Razor suggest, the best evidence suggests that’s highly likely that all these traditional cultures throughout time, like the Native American cultures or the cultures in Africa who’ve said, see those stars up there?

That’s where they came from. And they came down and told us that’s where they came from. And if you look really carefully through your telescopes that aren’t advanced enough to see it, you’ll see that that star is really a twin star. And then 50 years later they look and go, oh shit. We didn’t have the telescope to say, but those freaking Africans out there that don’t even have a written.

It is a fricking twin star, but they haven’t

[02:13:18] Al Borealis: inherited wisdom. You seen ancient apocalypse on Netflix with Hancock. Do

[02:13:23] Alex Tsakiris: you get my point? You get my point is the discussion,

[02:13:27] Al Borealis: has I always gotten your point? It’s you who doesn’t get mine. I

[02:13:29] Alex Tsakiris: think Well then, then tell me because the discussion has moved past Occam’s razor suggests that the most parsimonious answer to the ET question is they come from other fricking planets and we don’t know how they get here and, and we don’t know how they cross that barrier, but the burden of proof is on those who and is there inter dimensionality to it.

Of course, our best guess in terms of how they travel here suggests some kind of interdimensional reality, but it doesn’t preclude what we generally experience and understand to be ET is that ET is somehow here is somehow among us, has always been among us, has been a part of this. That is the most parsimonious explanation for the data at hand.

And midget Nazis at Roswell is probably not the most parsim. Explanation.

[02:14:23] Al Borealis: Okay. Well, uh, I follow you all the way until you come with the conclusion that this is the mo No, and, and you have to back it up and, and, uh, but I agree about we are not entitled to our own facts. And I agree that, uh, we have to use outcomes razor.

Now then consider the following. First of all, you know, who agrees with you, you know, who applauds that we should have this, uh, alien et uh, perspective. Just to, this isn’t my big argument against it, I’m just making you aware of which tent you just stumbled into. That’s the CIA’s tent. It’s the Pentagon’s tent.

It’s Tom DeLong, who you love his tent. All of these people are saying no. Uh, the, it’s a threat. They, these are spaceships. Hold up. But

[02:15:05] Alex Tsakiris: that’s, you’re mixing, you’re mixing two things. One is the, the reality Bollywood agrees with you one. No, but, but you’re, you’re, you’re conflating two things. One is the reality of the ET presence, and the second is that there’s some kind of national security threat that the, the only response is the Pentagon.

I mean, the second is,

[02:15:24] Al Borealis: is absurd, right? Right. But the movie, look, it’s a both, they’ve both been pushing the fair element, you know, invasion of the body’s natures or, uh, independence Day, but they also are pushing the. Little green man on MOS perspective. In addition, the movie ET is an example. There’s many other movies where the aliens aren’t the bad guy.

So, um, latest now is this avatar thing. So, uh, no, you are in bed, whether you like it or not. At least stand open, admit that and just say, okay, coincidentally, I’m, I’m in bed with a bad

[02:15:57] Alex Tsakiris: guys. No, no, you’re misunderstanding, you’re misunderstanding the, the understanding of the evidence that suggests that we are in the,

[02:16:05] Al Borealis: we haven’t discussed the evidence yet,

[02:16:07] Alex Tsakiris: but, but it has nothing to do with the, I’m just saying

[02:16:10] Al Borealis: who agrees with you, but that doesn’t

[02:16:12] Alex Tsakiris: co, it doesn’t , you know, you could guilty by association.

Yeah. You know, I mean, is everyone No. Be suspicious of everyone in Germany who is of a particular, uh, political party. Are they all neo-Nazis? Just because they Right. You know, no, it doesn’t. That’s not how we, that’s not how we do

[02:16:29] Al Borealis: things. But, but that’s not my point. That’s not my point. I’m saying the big forces, the forces with the money and the decisions.

Are endorsing this paradigm. In fact, they want, we know from, uh, Verna Brown who admitted that they’re going to make fear of, uh, rogue comments. They’re gonna make fear of nations of concern. Terrorism, the last card will be invasion from space. So there is a paradigm that is backed up, whether it’s right or wrong, maybe it’s right, maybe that’s why they admit it.

But this paradigm has been backed up from Hollywood, et cetera. It’s, it was the first thing even before the U F O flaps in, uh, after the war, it was still a belief al in itis. Al,

[02:17:11] Alex Tsakiris: I, I gotta jump in there again because I, I just, I feel like you don’t really understand the whole playing field on the U F O. I feel like you’re

[02:17:19] Al Borealis: kind of, we haven’t even gotten to the discussion.

I’m

[02:17:21] Alex Tsakiris: still, still, well, hold on. I think you, I think you are slow. I think you’re kind of slow to the party. Okay. The debates I’ve been having over the last couple years mm-hmm. are with people like Grant Cameron mm-hmm. , who is very much in the et t camp, but is also in the consciousness camp and believes that et but these folks are con, have somehow pigeonholed themselves into the thing that there can be no bad, that ET is good.

Right. Right. This is kind of the origin. Stephen Gre. Steven Greer times 10, which is the, so when those people you go, okay, what about the evidence of sexual contact, sexual rape between et, what are we supposed to do with that? Whether we, I’ll take it, uh, at

[02:18:03] Al Borealis: mutilation, but, uh, that’s not what I wanna discuss.

No, you’re taking

[02:18:06] Alex Tsakiris: the decision. Lemme just, lemme just make sure. But here’s my point. Mm-hmm. , you, you could, if you want to pigeonhole me with the Pentagon folks, you could just as easily pigeonhole me with, uh, grant Cameron and Ray Hernandez and the absolutely love

[02:18:20] Al Borealis: enlightened the

[02:18:20] Alex Tsakiris: majority, well, neither one, neither one are, it

[02:18:24] Al Borealis: goes back to the thirties.

That’s when people started to believe in little green man on, on other planets. This is an you, you’re talking as if this is some kind of revolution. Maybe you relate to this party, but this party has been going on since before the Second World War. All I’m saying is before I haven’t, I haven’t even discussed the case yet, but all I’m saying is that the views I’m, uh, pointing to as potential more plausible explanations are getting less air by the power.

Now that’s all now guilty by you are not guilty. Cameron is a true believer. He’s not guilty. But I find it interesting at least that the wrong people are endorsing because these are the same people who also end endorse the air balloon and the swamp gas because they know a certain segment want. By the, the explanation that the skeptics will buy.

So we need to cater to them too. We throw them a bone. And that’s your alien, in my view. Now let’s get to the facts. Jacque Valle and Richard Dolan have both done a very interesting thing that very few has done in this field, which is the basic you should do. And that’s, and I asked, uh, Dr. A str that I interviewed, who saw, uh, scientist who’s investigating this in Norway since the eighties, if you folks shelter for my show Portal of Strange Highness.

It’s, um, the longest running white public investigation of u p in the world. So, and I asked him some of these questions too, and he has ca do Underwr write calculations cause he’s an engineer and Dolan has do does it. And, uh, also Valle and Valle. I read his analysis at the end of my interview with, uh, ook, uh, on, uh, pa It was called Pentagon’s Biggest Secret.

I think you, you heard that interview, did you remember?

[02:20:12] Alex Tsakiris: Yes. And I interviewed, and then I interviewed Nick Cook as a result of your interview. Yeah, but go ahead. But

[02:20:17] Al Borealis: do you remember that I read a quote of Val at the end there? And this quote is called, it’s too many landings. And what Vale does, Dolan has done the same, very simple moth, very simple.

You just take account for the facts and you calculate how many landings would there be if we buy into that. These are spacecrafts from other planets that coincidentally discovered often against their will. Maybe it was a crash landing, maybe they were landing to fix something. Maybe they were landing to whatever, and they were disco.

No, I don’t remember the exact number now, but they had to land like millions of times for this to be a real, uh, for what it is. So his only conclusion would be that whatever they are, they are staged. In other words, they are discovered because they want to be discovered. It’s an intentional call it, uh, manipulation, whatever it is, it’s intentional.

That’s the only conclusion you can call that I can see from those hard data that they have, uh, worked out and be my guest to go through this data and come with a better explanation. But that doesn’t explain anything. It just tells us that they want. that it’s staged somehow. Now you said that I

[02:21:32] Alex Tsakiris: don’t agree, I don’t agree with the assumptions behind that, uh, calculation.

I, yes, no, I mean there, there’s, there’s a lot of just go through numbers. Yes. And there’s just a lot of huge assumptions that people are making in terms of what would they be,

[02:21:45] Al Borealis: those huge assumptions. Well, one

[02:21:47] Alex Tsakiris: of the, you just watched the thing with Stephen Greer, right? Yeah. In his CE five protocol. Do you remember the CCE five protocol?

Yeah. It is a conscious, a meditative right. Extended consciousness connection with ET that directs et into the planet on where to create a sighting. Okay. And that’s hard for people to accept. I don’t know that I accepted, I’m not saying that it’s true, but if you do look at the evidence, like of the, the famous Nimitz mm-hmm.

tac. Mm-hmm. , right? You’re on the same page. I interviewed Kevin Day, one of the, the guy who was on deck on the ship, looked through the thing, saw the things. One small aspect of that that a lot of people know, but some people forget, is that the fighters are sent up to intercept the Tic-Tac ets out in the ocean, 30 miles outside my window here in San Diego.

And they go and they intercept et and ets like voom, you know, just like 60,000 miles an hour and all this. So they have a pre. determined safe space that they’re gonna go to. This is some coordinate in space that these that are super spa fast fighters are gonna fly to. Mm-hmm. , they fly to that space, you know, it’s like 50 miles, five miles up and 50 miles over.

Mm-hmm. and who’s there? Yes. Because it’s all about consciousness. You can’t, you can’t get around et just by thinking that we have a plan meet behind the shed, you know, well, et somehow has some, apparently some kind of telepathic link in this extent. Okay. Right. So that is not in Dolan’s fricking calculation.

And we have something else to talk about when we talk about Dolan that I’ll get to in a minute. I love

[02:23:35] Al Borealis: this. Yeah. This is exactly what they’re proving. Uh, these guys, when they do the calculation, they’re proving that these aren’t random aircraft being interrupted or discovered by us. Yeah. But the point, the, in fact, you just made a case for that.

[02:23:48] Alex Tsakiris: Yeah. But, but your, your, uh, interpretation of the data, was that then there? Yeah,

[02:23:54] Al Borealis: we haven’t gotten to that yet.

[02:23:55] Alex Tsakiris: Let’s keep going. Well, your, well, we got to it partially because you, your partial

[02:23:58] Al Borealis: interpretation I managed to mention starts. Yeah. I didn’t even start my rent . Well,

[02:24:04] Alex Tsakiris: well, about it. You did, you did, uh, kind of disparage the, uh, spaceship from other planet.

Yeah. Hypothe

[02:24:09] Al Borealis: hypothesis. Yeah, I, that was my first argument against it, but

[02:24:13] Alex Tsakiris: Right. But that doesn’t, now that argument has to go away, right? No, because now CE five is bringing in spacecraft from another planet. Yeah. And when I read

[02:24:22] Al Borealis: the GRE’s book, they did the Nimitz thing. I read GRE’s book, um, about that back in the day when I was a meditation instructor.

Of course he had me, he had me along before he said the word meditation. My

[02:24:33] Alex Tsakiris: point is that logically there is no connection between rationally, logically, no connection between what you said in terms of, you know, there’s some kind of consciousness connection that’s directing the spacecraft to there aren’t really spacecraft.

Yeah, there is. Those are two separate things now. No. Is that both end? Well, the, your data. I don’t, I don’t see how, I don’t see how your data in that case contradicts the spacecraft

[02:25:01] Al Borealis: from another planet. No, no, no. Because, because in my view, we are talking about two, first of all, U F O or u A P is just a, you know, it’s just a term.

Don’t ever say u a p, that’s just No, I do mind control. But actually it’s a better term because they’re they are, no, it’s mind control. No, no, it’s, they’re. They are area and they are phenomena. It is. They’re not always objects. They’re not always objects. It’s just so,

[02:25:23] Alex Tsakiris: but just so everybody knows, when they say u a p mm-hmm.

what they’re saying is we’re gonna divide and rule again. So we have this group of people out there who have some understanding, some grounding in U F O, they actually have some knowledge cuz like you said, that we have this, you know, incredible open society where you can giza and they know stuff about U F O.

Now we’re telling all those people, well you don’t really know anything cuz it’s now all uap. It doesn’t matter.

[02:25:49] Al Borealis: It’s a, it’s a name by any own other roles. It’s the same people who invented U A P, who invented U F O. It’s the same fucking people. It’s a military term. It’s a game. I

[02:25:58] Alex Tsakiris: don’t care. Exactly. I don’t care.

It’s a game. It’s a. You gotta care. No, when I talked to Richard Dolan and I interviewed Richard Dolan, and I gotta circle back and get to, I hate the term circle back , but I’m dying to talk to Richard Dolan again. Yeah. When I talked to him a couple years ago when the Nimitz thing first broke. Yeah. And to me, it seemed obvious that this was a political siop.

That this whole disclosure, the whole Peter Laveda fake, fake, fake. Intelligence, intelligence, Tom DeLong fake, fake, fake, Lou Elizondo, fake, fake, fake. That it was all just a, a, a game. And I went to, to Dolan and I said, come on, this is a political syop. Right? I mean, this is a counterintelligence agent who’s leading, who’s coming out and saying, here is the truth.

You know, we have Peter Laveda saying, well, I got together with Tom DeLonge, we decided the only way we could get to the truth is to go to the cia. Aren’t the alarm bells going off in your head? And Dolan goes, no, no, I really think it’s. I think this is, you know, this is, this is legit. This guy’s a legit whistleblower and I was dumbfounded.

I still don’t know. So I don’t know if he just made a mistake or what, but clearly at this point we all know it was, we all know it was fake. We all know Lu Azon is a counterintelligence agent.

[02:27:13] Al Borealis: No, it’s opposite. We, we all know that they achieved what they wanted. They wanted to get the u f O thing whitewashed in the open for whatever selfish reasons they had, because they’re not, of course, Jesus.

And they went with a method that worked. Now, was that hijacked or endorsed by some part of the power elite? Probably doesn’t matter. They achieved what they wanted, which was to make it out and open. Now they achieved it. Two little credit has gone to the Tom de Long forks for this. You, you, you attack them for the fact that New York Times, et cetera, has written about it.

But at the same time, that’s what everybody has been bitching about. Now, my local newspaper writing about it, I can finally ask any guest. I want the U f O question and they won’t recoil from it because everybody know knows it’s clean. Now that doesn’t, it’s not aner or here, it doesn’t mean that these are Jesus heroes.

But you know what? We are discussing something that why are, do we always end up discussing whether they are our siop? I think it’s. incrementally less important and interesting than what I wanted to discuss. Namely the nature of the U UAPs. And I have a show now that’s not out yet. It’s called UAPs Explained.

Okay. And that’s a pretty bold, uh, statement. Yeah, but they are, I’m not saying it’s the only explanation. I’m not saying, uh, we say who they are or where they come from, but David Cita definitely explains how they are working, and both him and me kind of agree based on the data. You, you, you’ve probably seen, uh, tether, incident, fu, et cetera.

They look much more like entities than they do, uh, crafts. Most of them, uh, they, they look like fish in our aquarium. And we discussed how they, they can be actually alive because we know that, uh, already, uh, down on Earth when they, they now have come out and said, yeah, we are taking, uh, we, we are, we are measuring UV frequencies and we are seeing what can be defined as live forms there.

This is rather new, but this fits with. Me and him has been thinking all this time, namely that these are, and this explains why the military can have the audacity to shoot a term to, they’d completely dis if the military really thought these were humanoids in spacecrafts from another place, they would freak out.

It would be a completely different, uh, discussion than what we are actually having. It’s as if the military knows they post no real threat and that’s why they’re trying to be this tough guy against them. But of course, like you say, they have some aspects, uh, in their nature that force supports our little ant kind of thing.

So I’m saying that this phenomenon, which is a terminology and capacities, many different unknowns, one of them is also a mechanical, uh, technological aspect because we know for sure there are crafts wherever they come from, whoever they are operating them. And I think the huge majority of these craft.

are from Earth. They are, and they may be, actually, they may have studied because ex Sira an dare you to listen to the show explains how it works and they, he, they may have studied these entities, whatever they are, and then converted it to technology, to mechanics. That may be one, but we also. The ancient connection.

And when you say, oh, the ancient, the Africans knew Yes, but it’s not la They were apes and someone came and enlightened them. It’s that they are a remnant of an ancient civilization that not only had his knowledge, but also mastered space travel. I dare

[02:31:05] Alex Tsakiris: I I get you. I don’t understand why the reverse engineering of Alien Craft gets, how it, how that gets you anywhere in terms of this discussion.

Absolutely. We’ve reverse engineered alien craft. You never How does

[02:31:17] Al Borealis: that, there’s no bodies and there’s no craft pointing to Alien at this time. We, there are claims. You just

[02:31:24] Alex Tsakiris: said, you just said we reverse engineered our technology Yes.

[02:31:27] Al Borealis: Is based on Yes. From entities or ancient tech. Yes. But,

[02:31:32] Alex Tsakiris: but why not?

Why not Bob Lazar in, uh, area 51 and where he worked on the craft? Why not, uh, Steven Greer, who says he’s interviewed

[02:31:41] Al Borealis: absolutely real. Bob Lasar, when he says, these are aliens. He even says it himself. I’m speculating his ass. I don’t know. He

[02:31:49] Alex Tsakiris: says, I, he says, I’ve seen nine different craft. Uh, Richard, uh, yeah, Steven Greers, but not Boes.

But the point is, , it’s such a loose argument that you’re making, he says that he’s, that he has seen bodies and he has seen autopsy. But take that out for a second. Lasar says that Yes. and he said his first day, I haven’t seen him say that. He said his first day on the job, he walked past a, a, a a room and there was a window and he saw the alien bodies.

And he later talked to people and they said, here’s how many we have ’em. And Steven Greer, uh, you know, you just listened to that interview. He said he’s interviewed multiple people who said that we have this many craft and this many bodies, and some of ’em were

[02:32:27] Al Borealis: alive. And I, and I followed his, uh, press conference as I know these people.

He, he has, um, helped bring forward. Now all of them aren’t solid. Uh, of course this info people are, uh, there too. But yeah, basically he did, he did do a huge lifting for ufology. You had the disclosure project, you had the Citizens Disclosure thing that Dolan was involved with. And this other guy was, I forgot his name, ologist you, you had the Secret Space Program conferences before the fake one that, um, Was done by Will Cook and Corey.

Good. And those, so that’s three D important goalposts in disclosure. And then the fourth is the Tom DeLong project that everybody still insists is some kind of cyop. But if it’s a cyop, it’s the verse IOP in the world. Because the only thing they’ve achieved since then is to annoy Pentagon, because Pentagon now, now is forced to try to spin the entire thing into, its the Russians and the Chinese because, uh, they can’t put the, uh, spirit back into the lamp and say there’s no thing as a U F O.

So that has been achieved. And if it was a siop, I applauded it because it’s fucking high time people take the phenomena seriously so we can start to discuss what’s behind it, which we can do freely now. Yeah. Not just on this little inside baseball show we are doing today, but I can do it with any guest I have no matter why they’re coming on thanks to that effort.

And honestly, my take on it, uh, hasn’t changed much. I still think that these insiders did it partially for selfish reasons, but also partially because they always been new for nuts. All these people have always been into this thing and they wanted this outer and they managed it and they wanted to profit from it.

I don’t know if they managed that, but, uh, and maybe there were also played, uh, to some extent maybe, maybe there was a faction among the lead that wanted it out and they backed them. Maybe. I don’t know these things, but what I do know is, , it’s annoying the neocons to no end. You see the, it is not hard to see.

The deniers are still at it, and they’re trying to put, spin this into something that can serve them because it doesn’t serve them that everybody’s now interested in it. So you have yet to convince me of two things, Alex and I am open to it. Number one, explain how this is a sinister siop and not just what it seems to be according to M’s.

Razor. That’s number one. And number two, where do you get this alien from? And with that, I mean, uh, 3D humanoids on a different planet. I, I’ve never seen a link even when I, and Dolin is. An adherent to this, and I pushed him, first time I had him on and he had to admit that, well, okay, it’s going by assumption because there’s no evidence connecting it to, there’s a lot of inference.

[02:35:21] Alex Tsakiris: His wife is a, his wife is a first person witness to it. So yeah, but

[02:35:25] Al Borealis: that doesn’t mean it’s an alien. People are just well and is not necessarily aliens.

[02:35:30] Alex Tsakiris: Okay. So, so that for the, the new skeptical, the private party, skeptical . We can start right there and I’ll drop a name for you. Yep. That you can go.

Everyone should go and read Jeremy McGowan. Mm-hmm. and his blog post on Lou Eli Elizondo And The Truth About Everything. Jeremy McGowen. I was almost gonna make this show about the interviews I haven’t done this year cuz Jeremy McGowan is the first person who’s legitimately ghosted me. Oh, he was so excited to be on the show.

He is like, oh, it’s an honor. I don’t know why I thought it was an honor. But anyways, he’s on the show. We right there, we’re ready to record. Doesn’t show up. Just falls off the earth, doesn’t respond. And the person who Wow. Connected with me with him starts communicating. He’s like, well, yeah, you know, I’m kind of doing this, kind of do that.

So, but everyone should still read his article and the other one is on the election anyways, so. Okay.

[02:36:21] Al Borealis: So that’s, we, that’s suspicious. He doesn’t want to back up his, his accusations. Mm-hmm.

[02:36:25] Alex Tsakiris: Oh no. His accusations are rock solid. You go listen to him. He has all the proof has been laid out. Why is he afraid then?

Well, yeah, people are, people are people. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Predictions, I guess. I guess predictions. And tell us what’s going on without Media United.

[02:36:40] Al Borealis: Okay. Okay. So, okay. Predictions. Damn. Let’s start with

[02:36:43] Alex Tsakiris: you. Start with

[02:36:46] Al Borealis: me. Yeah. Don’t you have any

[02:36:47] Alex Tsakiris: predictions? My predictions would be kind of the stuff that we talked about during the show in terms of, I think things are much more, uh, complicated at a global level than we think.

Yeah. And that I do think there’s a light, there’s on a practical kind of, uh, invest, uh, make money kind of thing. There’s a light at the end of the tunnel in terms of the globalist agenda. It doesn’t seem to be moving forward the way we thought in an inevitable way. And that will be revealed further and further in the next year.

It’s losing steam. They’re not gonna print 30 trillion in, uh, in stupid green echo stuff. And that is what they were playing for. And when they lose the ability to do that, and when the dollar does kind of get supremacy and the leash that’s on China gets pulled tighter and titled tighter the choke chain, it’s gonna be back to business as usual, which some people are gonna like and some people aren’t.

But from my rich ass perspective in Delmar, California, that’s just fine.

[02:37:51] Al Borealis: Yeah. Hmm. Well, uh, I think it’s easier to predict next year than the year after because, um, there is an awakening going on and that awakening may be hijacked when Trump takes over again if he takes over or, or the Republicans put it Like that would be better if they had won both houses because we will see a much bigger dishwashing of.

The covid thing, but don’t underestimate the norm. Is awakening going on right now? ILO Musk, what he’s doing, I, I, I think he will regret it, but he’s opening the floodgate basically at Twitter now. You can po I I sent you the video. Did you see it? The one called certainly that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. These things are gonna force open.

It, it, it actually dovetail to what I said last year and that’s that when you feel it on your own body, that’s when you can’t have the luxury of, you know, entertaining a problem academically because now it’s hard on reality and this is a blessing in disguise now. Just like the Omicron kind of took the power out of Covid, so eventually people are waking up to that.

It is not that big a deal anymore. Uh, if it indeed ever was for most of us for Somnia. It sure is, but um, uh, same vein. I think the vaccine reality, because that’s such a hard, long before Covid, they’ve been pushing the vaccine thing that you couldn’t question it. You were a completely deranged outcast if you question vaccines at all.

Now, the reason many have covered. The problem with the vaccine is precisely because the low level people who are innocent, like a nurse or whatever, and they think, oh my God, there’s so many people getting hurt, but I can’t, I, I have to deny this. I can’t support this coming out because then people question all vaccines.

And then, you know, I want the good thing and I believe the data I have is good, therefore I do a bad thing to cover up for what I believe will be a worst thing. And they don’t understand that there are just then being useful tools. Right. And this is for the first time is cracking. People are going to do that.

They are gonna question so much more, not just other vaccines, but everything to do with the pandemic. And then they’re gonna start questioning other things too, like the morning level and everything. So, um, I’m not saying it will be a global awakening. I’m, I’m still back to where I said that, that, that we have to go by coalitions.

Many people will wake up in one thing, others to another, but it’s gonna be a critical mass. Too many are going be critical to the powers that be mm-hmm. because nevermind which field people are waking up to, you know, where the crumbs always end up. It’s the same fucking power elite, or I should say the stooges of the real power elite.

The, the, the, the symbols, the puppets of the real puppet masters. And when they fall, that’s going to be so interesting. So yeah, next year I think is gonna be one big step in that direction and that will help. On the geopolitical level, it will create problems there too because, um, what they really have per today is the media, is the information, was the spin, is the propaganda.

That’s where the west is strongest per today. And um, although there are back and forth, back and forth, they do so many, you know, for example, the, the North Stream, everybody know now it was the m u five and CIA A together. So when in real time people are waking up to these things so quickly, I I I don’t see how they can keep it going anymore.

It’s like a, we are reaching a critical mass more so, uh, better term. They talk about this, uh, advent horizon thing. , it seems to be very short in the distance on so many levels, and I’m just happy I’m around to see it because it can, you know, even if people wake up and they, let’s say they overthrow the power elite.

What could you replace? It could be worse. I’m not saying it’s like hallelujah time, but um, like the Chinese said, we live in interesting times Indeed. And I’m happy to, to be in for the ride. , we have no to embrace

[02:42:05] Alex Tsakiris: changes. Yes. We have no alternative. Do we? ?

[02:42:08] Al Borealis: Well, I guess we could always, uh, you know, we could do an Epstein, you know, , but, uh, no, you know,

[02:42:15] Alex Tsakiris: uh, uh, my, one of my spiritual, uh, I dunno, guidepost guy really like name Curly Baba, you know, the Ramm das, uh, guru in India, you know, when the guys first went there and, and met him and they were dropping acid and just wanted do anything they could do to become enlightened, he said, oh, it’s, it’s easy.

See that rock there? Go tie it around your neck and throw it in the lake over there. Yeah, exactly. and you’ll, she’ll get it, you know? Right. And it’s like, this is your discussion. The last point about we all know debt. So once we put, that’s an important boundary and that’s what you’re pointing out, uh, last time in the crossing of that boundary.

And then yeah, it draws the line that we are on the other side of that. So all the decisions we make are, yes, we live in interesting times or not interesting times. It doesn’t matter. We just are here right now and trying to let the light shine through.

[02:43:06] Al Borealis: But so many people can choose to metaphorically.

take that stone and throw themself in the lake. Oh, well said. They can choose to remain in the forest, refusing to see any, not understanding what, and those, you know what the most dangerous people today are the lowest informed mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . Because, because they are the engine. They, they are the gasoline in the engine that whoever are screwing with us on all these different levels are relying upon.

So, so in, in, this is why we don’t have the luxury Alex of stopping, exploiting the rare opportunity we have to reach people. It’s so rare. If you look historically hundred years ago, you and me would have to go with these signs saying the, and is denied through the streets and ring the bell. That’s the best we could do to reach people.

So people have the option to find us. And for me, I go by those who particularly take to my taste, which is not mainstream at all. And then we need someone like you who can cater to your approach. And then we are all cooks in, in, in the big machine. And the good machine .

[02:44:18] Alex Tsakiris: Well, you continue to be an, an inspiration to guide point.

I love talking to you. Victor. Can you gimme a new tagline? I mean, skeptical. Please unsubscribe. , please unsubscribe. Please do not share. Or like ,

[02:44:32] Al Borealis: it was the in inevitable place you had to end up right.

[02:44:36] Alex Tsakiris: Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And

[02:44:40] Al Borealis: you can afford doing that too. You can afford that experiment, but yeah. Uh, maybe you should go that route.

I’m kind of going the opposite one. I’m kind of having multiple parties going on hoping they will rub off on each other, hoping they will create some kind of resonance, some kind of, uh, synergy effect. Uh, and you wanna go deep, deep, deep, deep into the core of it. And, uh, I think both are warranted. So we couldn’t be great that we keep in touch and, and, you know, feel a finger on the pulse for, uh, every now and then.

Absolutely. But we are not done with the alien discussion. I wanna return to that in the future. Okay. All right. I haven’t even made my case . All right. Oh yeah. Great. Okay. Thanks a lot for, for this session and, and see you at the end of this part of the

[02:45:30] Alex Tsakiris: travel . Awesome, Al. Terrific. Thank you so much. Okay, bro.

Later, take care.

Thanks again to Al for joining me today on Skeptical. The one question I had to tee up from the show is . What direction do you think skeptical should go in the future? I have some definite ideas about how and when and if I should go forward. But I’d love to hear your thoughts too. So let me hear from you. And Until next time, take care. And bye for now.

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