Al From Forum Borealis joins me for a conversation about technology and consciousness.
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(machine generated transcript… very hit or miss :))
0:00 – 0:07 on this episode of Skeptiko oh I think
0:03 – 0:10 the shaman thing may be wrong they may
0:07 – 0:15 be looking at a very underdeveloped
0:10 – 0:17 sense of manipulating aspects of
0:15 – 0:19 consciousness when we look at ancient
0:17 – 0:20 agriculture we say wow they did pretty
0:19 – 0:22 good they had that little stick and they
0:20 – 0:25 drove it in the ground and then they
0:22 – 0:27 stuck a fishin in the with every corn
0:25 – 0:31 seed and it grew hey good for them right
0:27 – 0:34 now we get a hundred times that by doing
0:31 – 0:36 all this kind of manipulation some of it
0:34 – 0:38 good some of it bad but we figured out
0:36 – 0:40 how to do that at a whole different
0:38 – 0:42 level oh I think we’re under impressed
0:40 – 0:44 of course there’s something you fail to
0:42 – 0:47 see in that reasoning look they were
0:44 – 0:48 having archaea consciousness or magical
0:47 – 0:50 mythical depends when we’re talking
0:48 – 0:52 about so that means that they were
0:50 – 0:55 dealing with the same things but they
0:52 – 0:58 were expressing and experiencing
0:55 – 0:60 differently look I said people had a
0:58 – 1:02 different kind of consciousness before
0:60 – 1:05 that means that what they perceive it
1:02 – 1:08 was also different people in nature like
1:05 – 1:11 Oz Norwegians we know the wages are very
1:08 – 1:13 artistic or I should say agnostic we’re
1:11 – 1:17 probably the most secular one of the
1:13 – 1:19 most secular in the world right now but
1:17 – 1:21 all the Weejun when they go to the
1:19 – 1:25 mountains when they go to the forests
1:21 – 1:28 they become extremely humble and they
1:25 – 1:30 connect with something now we prefer the
1:28 – 1:32 technical way to explain it rather than
1:30 – 1:34 the mythical because we lost from that
1:32 – 1:38 part of consciousness but it’s still
1:34 – 1:42 there and we still know about it I’m
1:38 – 1:46 leaning towards the idea that the
1:42 – 1:50 consciousness soul connection is not
1:46 – 1:53 what we think it is it’s not as special
1:50 – 1:58 it’s not as unique it’s more malleable
1:53 – 2:00 than maybe we’ve thought stay with us
1:58 – 2:08 for skeptiko
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2:08 – 2:14 well as promised this week I have a
2:12 – 2:18 little bonus episode of skeptiko and
2:14 – 2:20 that is part two of my interview with al
2:18 – 2:22 borealis from forum borealis you know
2:20 – 2:25 after I finished the show that I just
2:22 – 2:28 published last week I felt like it was
2:25 – 2:30 good but I felt like we hadn’t really
2:28 – 2:32 nailed some stuff down so I called up Al
2:30 – 2:35 he was nice enough to say yeah let’s
2:32 – 2:36 jump right back into it and this
2:35 – 2:39 hour-and-a-half
2:36 – 2:41 discussion is what we wound up with I’m
2:39 – 2:45 quite pleased with the topics that we
2:41 – 2:48 got into and if you like them stick
2:45 – 2:51 around because there’s a lot more coming
2:48 – 2:54 down the pike of this it’s a topic that
2:51 – 2:57 I am keenly interested in and that is
2:54 – 3:02 this attempt to understand more broadly
2:57 – 3:07 the connection between consciousness
3:02 – 3:11 non-human intelligence /et technology
3:07 – 3:14 and spirituality that’s where everything
3:11 – 3:17 is taking me and that’s where I’m
3:14 – 3:22 heading stick around for this interview
3:17 – 3:25 coming up without from forum borealis we
3:22 – 3:27 didn’t go as deep if I can pick up on
3:25 – 3:28 that because you know the thing that
3:27 – 3:31 really got me is that’s one of the
3:28 – 3:33 things I really love about your show you
3:31 – 3:35 go deep you find a way to go deep and I
3:33 – 3:37 kind of felt like I’m glad you’re taking
3:35 – 3:39 on all the blame yourself that’s good
3:37 – 3:42 because I felt kind of the blame was on
3:39 – 3:44 my part for not driving us deeper so I
3:42 – 3:47 wanted to dive deep into some stuff
3:44 – 3:52 really stir up some controversy if you
3:47 – 3:54 will because if we don’t you know
3:52 – 3:57 disagreement we do actually we did
3:54 – 3:60 disagree a lot we start after all the
3:57 – 4:03 bromance in the first half an hour
3:60 – 4:05 that’s a but after that when we started
4:03 – 4:08 to touch issues I think we actually
4:05 – 4:10 disagreed on most things I always always
4:08 – 4:12 my plan when I’m gonna share this you
4:10 – 4:16 will know whether goodness right I’m
4:12 – 4:18 going to say mourning out adults in the
4:16 – 4:23 room this is how you
4:18 – 4:25 disagreements exactly and and you know I
4:23 – 4:27 just can’t agree more with the
4:25 – 4:29 disagreement part because to me that’s
4:27 – 4:31 where all the action really happens and
4:29 – 4:34 I think aback about so many guests that
4:31 – 4:39 I’ve had that I really like in respect
4:34 – 4:40 and I want to push them to some kind of
4:39 – 4:41 closure you know like we were talking
4:40 – 4:43 about Peter lavinda
4:41 – 4:46 I really have a lot of respect for Peter
4:43 – 4:49 Levin I think he’s being totally fake on
4:46 – 4:51 this disclosure thing and I’d like to
4:49 – 4:53 get to the bottom of that and we try to
4:51 – 4:56 so I don’t know how much more we want to
4:53 – 4:59 dig into that well we can go deeper into
4:56 – 5:01 that we can do that I’d say the same
4:59 – 5:03 thing with Joseph Ferrell who I just
5:01 – 5:05 have so much respect for and he’s
5:03 – 5:07 brought so many great things forward and
5:05 – 5:09 yet here’s the guy who’s still talking
5:07 – 5:12 about you know Nazis making spaceships
5:09 – 5:14 and landing in the New Mexico desert
5:12 – 5:16 it’s preposterous it just doesn’t stand
5:14 – 5:19 up to the thousands and thousands of
5:16 – 5:22 hours that people have researched into
5:19 – 5:25 Roswell and all the all the testimony
5:22 – 5:28 from all the people it’s just it just I
5:25 – 5:30 can’t quite close the loop on that how
5:28 – 5:32 can this guy do that and maybe he can do
5:30 – 5:34 that because we all have blind spots by
5:32 – 5:38 the way a conservative is not a liberal
5:34 – 5:40 like Peter I interesting and that’s
5:38 – 5:41 interesting too so how are we going to
5:40 – 5:42 get down there but you know where I
5:41 – 5:45 wanted to start I want to pull us back
5:42 – 5:48 to this level because we talked about so
5:45 – 5:52 many things and and we got into some
5:48 – 5:55 depth but I always like to return to my
5:52 – 5:59 roots if you will in skeptic oh and that
5:55 – 6:01 is an asking the big question who are we
5:59 – 6:05 why are we here because if all this
6:01 – 6:06 chatter and conspiracy and kind of
6:05 – 6:08 philosophizing
6:06 – 6:11 if it doesn’t get us closer to answering
6:08 – 6:13 those questions to me we haven’t really
6:11 – 6:16 done anything I want to say one more
6:13 – 6:20 thing before we begin what I really
6:16 – 6:23 enjoyed in pre-shot we did that I posted
6:20 – 6:29 to my folks I call it the mother of all
6:23 – 6:32 rants I I really enjoyed how we went
6:29 – 6:35 philosophical spiritual you know
6:32 – 6:37 and we went to places where we didn’t
6:35 – 6:39 explore enough we opened some doors and
6:37 – 6:42 I expected we were going to touch that
6:39 – 6:45 like UFO specular but this isn’t very
6:42 – 6:47 skeptical maybe but it’s more like
6:45 – 6:49 speculation philosophizing you know what
6:47 – 6:52 could the UFOs be stuff like that
6:49 – 6:55 remember we talked about AI and can they
6:52 – 6:58 how I Jack can they note those things
6:55 – 6:60 people think are very excited to you
6:58 – 7:03 know if it sounds like we know what
6:60 – 7:05 we’re talking about if I have my way
7:03 – 7:11 we’re gonna get right back we’re gonna
7:05 – 7:14 get right back into that but it did one
7:11 – 7:19 l’amanda for real thing and i can defend
7:14 – 7:21 it more like that there’s no way to
7:19 – 7:24 defend that but it’ll be fun it’ll be
7:21 – 7:27 fun to try but yeah let me pull you back
7:24 – 7:30 up there though I think we all I know I
7:27 – 7:33 do want to some in some ways skirt that
7:30 – 7:37 question you know what is it really all
7:33 – 7:38 about who are we really why are we here
7:37 – 7:40 the when you wake up three o’clock in
7:38 – 7:44 the morning and you can’t sleep is the
7:40 – 7:58 big life questions you know who do you
7:44 – 8:01 really think you are you know oh my god
7:58 – 8:04 I’m not sure it’s possible in this form
8:01 – 8:06 it actually I mean it’s it’s what I did
8:04 – 8:08 vote in my life to it’s that question
8:06 – 8:12 you know Q Vardis
8:08 – 8:15 I can only say good northeast out on you
8:12 – 8:18 you should understand that you can only
8:15 – 8:20 say what jinora the– South Toronado I
8:18 – 8:23 think I’m not pronouncing it right this
8:20 – 8:26 ancient Greek you should understand that
8:23 – 8:29 you know what it said over the Oracle in
8:26 – 8:33 Delphic knowing thyself and the others
8:29 – 8:36 shall know the goats and cosmos when you
8:33 – 8:37 say gods in cosmos great that’s a great
8:36 – 8:39 place to start
8:37 – 8:42 what do you mean what does that mean to
8:39 – 8:45 you what is your conception of your
8:42 – 8:49 relationship to the gods
8:45 – 8:51 and the cosmos well this is cold you
8:49 – 8:56 know I know it’s not it’s yeah but it’s
8:51 – 9:01 you know it’s also the audience it’s
8:56 – 9:02 it’s you know in astrology they talk
9:01 – 9:05 about energies and they use these
9:02 – 9:09 symbols to represent that energy which
9:05 – 9:10 they call you know Mercury and Venus and
9:09 – 9:15 all that stuff and that’s the gods too
9:10 – 9:17 so for me it’s about exploring the
9:15 – 9:20 meaning of life it’s not finding the
9:17 – 9:22 meaning of life it’s looking for the
9:20 – 9:25 meaning of life it’s like Gandhi said
9:22 – 9:29 the way stick over see there you just
9:25 – 9:30 kind of made it hard for me you I was
9:29 – 9:33 building up I thought I had a great
9:30 – 9:36 point to just nail you on and then you
9:33 – 9:38 switched over to Gandhi and slipped
9:36 – 9:40 right through my fingers you know
9:38 – 9:42 thought the last time we’re talking
9:40 – 9:44 talking you were telling me about you
9:42 – 9:46 know there’s something about where you
9:44 – 9:49 live you know the far northern reaches
9:46 – 9:50 of Norway and there’s a shamanic
9:49 – 9:53 connection there’s an animistic
9:50 – 9:56 connection that’s you’re closer to and
9:53 – 9:56 more grounded to whether you want to or
9:56 – 10:02 not
9:56 – 10:04 and I get that at the same time you know
10:02 – 10:08 the reason I keep returning to the et
10:04 – 10:11 thing is the et thing is the first thing
10:08 – 10:14 that I can say that I’ve really
10:11 – 10:20 encountered that totally makes me step
10:14 – 10:24 back and say is all that superseded by
10:20 – 10:26 this technological consciousness is it
10:24 – 10:30 possible do we have to seriously
10:26 – 10:35 consider that spirituality as we know it
10:30 – 10:42 is in some way subservient some way a
10:35 – 10:45 lesser than this advanced technology /
10:42 – 10:49 consciousness that we may be seeing and
10:45 – 10:51 I got to tell you you know anyone is
10:49 – 10:54 listen to skeptical knows that I have
10:51 – 10:56 kind of poo-poo the advanced technology
10:54 – 10:57 you never think you’d hear me saying
10:56 – 10:59 about the AI stuff and that
10:57 – 11:02 partially because you know that was my
10:59 – 11:05 thing man I mean I went back to get a
11:02 – 11:08 PhD in information systems but me and my
11:05 – 11:11 Norwegian friend we were both from
11:08 – 11:13 consulting firms we said screw this we
11:11 – 11:15 want to do AI so we were kind of doing
11:13 – 11:18 an AI degree and we were going over the
11:15 – 11:19 COG psych department and we were doing
11:18 – 11:22 all this stuff and then I eventually
11:19 – 11:25 before I finished my PhD I left and
11:22 – 11:29 started an AI company mine path
11:25 – 11:32 technologies now granted this was back
11:29 – 11:35 in the smoke and mirrors expert system
11:32 – 11:39 days of artificial intelligence way back
11:35 – 11:42 and I didn’t I did I to me it was just a
11:39 – 11:44 way to take advantage of a market trend
11:42 – 11:46 I didn’t really believe it and I guess
11:44 – 11:49 I’ve always had that kind of skewed view
11:46 – 11:51 of it a little bit like AI yeah that’s
11:49 – 11:54 just something we used to sell people
11:51 – 11:58 software sell people the next technology
11:54 – 12:03 thing that’s a lot around the curve but
11:58 – 12:06 I’m starting to wonder if I might have
12:03 – 12:10 missed the boat and there might be
12:06 – 12:14 something on that horizon that merges
12:10 – 12:17 with consciousness in a way that we’re
12:14 – 12:20 getting a glimpse of through et through
12:17 – 12:23 abduction accounts through all these
12:20 – 12:25 accounts that also have with them
12:23 – 12:28 there’s this whole mind control aspect
12:25 – 12:31 to them consciousness control aspect to
12:28 – 12:33 them and returning to the Peter Levin de
12:31 – 12:36 thing again that’s the thing that just
12:33 – 12:39 looks totally freakin fake I mean
12:36 – 12:44 there’s a depth to this whole thing that
12:39 – 12:47 is just so massive so monumental and
12:44 – 12:48 then to hear Peter say well we had to
12:47 – 12:51 figure it out because no one’s figured
12:48 – 12:53 it out till now so we decided to go to
12:51 – 12:58 their friends at the CIA
12:53 – 12:60 I mean bullshit it’s so much more than
12:58 – 13:02 that we know it’s so much more than that
12:60 – 13:05 we snow it’s so much deeper than that if
13:02 – 13:07 that’s the level of your curiosity if
13:05 – 13:11 that’s where it stops if it stops at
13:07 – 13:14 free energy and what the CIA knows
13:11 – 13:15 then you’re playing me man I don’t know
13:14 – 13:18 what the game is I don’t know what
13:15 – 13:20 you’re selling me calm down you’re look
13:18 – 13:24 you know you’re gaping over too much I
13:20 – 13:26 mean we can discuss it all but you need
13:24 – 13:28 Lisa Butte you’re throwing in a lot of
13:26 – 13:30 balls at at the same time I prefer one
13:28 – 13:32 at the time and I think I’ll start with
13:30 – 13:35 the a I think because that’s incredibly
13:32 – 13:38 interesting you and we touched it very
13:35 – 13:40 briefly when in the pre shot that I
13:38 – 13:44 uploaded to my members we remember we
13:40 – 13:45 you touch it there of course let’s take
13:44 – 13:50 that interesting stuff you know you know
13:45 – 13:53 the saying small minds talk about people
13:50 – 13:56 average mind talk about Evans great mind
13:53 – 13:58 talk about ideas you pitched one people
13:56 – 14:04 thing and one idea thing I want to start
13:58 – 14:07 with our idea thing big snob no but it’s
14:04 – 14:09 so interesting cause we have two
14:07 – 14:13 seemingly contradictory points we have
14:09 – 14:16 at one hand over the view that cliff I
14:13 – 14:19 took and that you usually have had and I
14:16 – 14:22 also I’m inclined to namely that garbage
14:19 – 14:25 in garbage out because think about it
14:22 – 14:27 it’s about letting low vibration control
14:25 – 14:30 high vibration remember I said to you
14:27 – 14:34 that the darkness is a reflection of the
14:30 – 14:37 light the darkness can’t create only the
14:34 – 14:39 higher the above is the is the strongest
14:37 – 14:42 but I adventurous into this problem
14:39 – 14:44 because on the other hand let me put up
14:42 – 14:47 one thing there the other point is what
14:44 – 14:50 if they are hijacking our consciousness
14:47 – 14:53 if they’re hijacking our biology if
14:50 – 14:56 these UFO things are some kind of creepy
14:53 – 14:58 transhumanism thing right now
14:56 – 15:02 there is a solution to that that doesn’t
14:58 – 15:02 compromise or I don’t know what to call
15:02 – 15:04 it
15:02 – 15:07 spiritual standpoint you human
15:04 – 15:10 standpoint our anti materials standpoint
15:07 – 15:11 and that’s actually the reverse the
15:10 – 15:13 reverse of what you’re thinking there
15:11 – 15:18 and what do I mean by that I’m saying
15:13 – 15:21 what if the spirit is hijacking the
15:18 – 15:23 matter instead of the opposite what if
15:21 – 15:25 it is and I even alluded to that when I
15:23 – 15:28 said that the
15:25 – 15:32 the deemed a murex revenge if we create
15:28 – 15:35 very complex machines and we even try to
15:32 – 15:39 connect them to biology you you still
15:35 – 15:42 can’t get a soul in that machine but you
15:39 – 15:46 can get a vehicle that a higher force
15:42 – 15:49 can use like a spirit because I wasn’t
15:46 – 15:50 pleased with cliffs answer because of
15:49 – 15:55 the Davis axe machine or the oil I chose
15:50 – 15:57 EDM demon dam on Ike’s machine because
15:55 – 15:59 he was saying no no no he was rejecting
15:57 – 16:03 that you could do that that you could
15:59 – 16:05 ever create an amalgam of man and
16:03 – 16:06 machine because of the nature of
16:05 – 16:08 consciousness and I agree with them
16:06 – 16:11 because the consciousness isn’t material
16:08 – 16:13 I said to you in my first interview with
16:11 – 16:18 you that there’s basically three
16:13 – 16:21 different kinds of energy creating this
16:18 – 16:23 existence seed 3 different strata us
16:21 – 16:25 it’s it’s a life force it’s a
16:23 – 16:27 consciousness and it’s what we call
16:25 – 16:30 matter which is also energy right but
16:27 – 16:34 the solution is an ascetic life look
16:30 – 16:37 what about ok so the machine can take
16:34 – 16:42 over the human but can let’s say a
16:37 – 16:48 disconnect spirit influenced in some way
16:42 – 16:48 and I mean many people have already
16:48 – 16:53 concepts about that they even think
16:50 – 16:56 their own computer is hijacked or
16:53 – 16:59 possessed or have some kind of soul so
16:56 – 17:01 it’s not far-fetched let me back up
16:59 – 17:05 owl and say that this is I’m playing
17:01 – 17:07 around with a different viewpoint that I
17:05 – 17:09 usually take I’m a yogi man I mean
17:07 – 17:12 that’s my standpoint I’m a yogi the
17:09 – 17:15 consciousness this is all just play here
17:12 – 17:17 you know the whole thing I mean that has
17:15 – 17:22 always been my perspective is that the
17:17 – 17:25 UFO of the ET the astral traveler the
17:22 – 17:26 NDE it’s all in the middle you know so
17:25 – 17:29 it’s it’s it’s really not that
17:26 – 17:31 significant in the grander scheme you
17:29 – 17:34 things because there’s something above
17:31 – 17:36 it consciousness is more and it’s
17:34 – 17:38 unified and and so at one level we don’t
17:36 – 17:41 have to worry about it but to the
17:38 – 17:43 extent that we do I want to go back and
17:41 – 17:46 challenge so I’m I don’t want to
17:43 – 17:50 I feel forced to go back and re-examine
17:46 – 17:54 some of my beliefs about soul about
17:50 – 17:57 consciousness about whether we are
17:54 – 18:01 unique whether that is whether
17:57 – 18:05 consciousness it can be transferred from
18:01 – 18:07 one being to another and how that might
18:05 – 18:09 happen you know I think the last time we
18:07 – 18:10 got together or other time before we’re
18:09 – 18:13 talking about the head transplant the
18:10 – 18:15 guy in Italy I mean that question is
18:13 – 18:19 going to be answered in the next 12
18:15 – 18:20 months there’s going to be some new data
18:19 – 18:23 on the table that’s going to be
18:20 – 18:26 undeniable but if you just also just go
18:23 – 18:28 back through the accounts of abduction
18:26 – 18:33 they’ll tell you that they that the ET
18:28 – 18:36 is somehow able to move this soul thing
18:33 – 18:39 around and move it from one person to
18:36 – 18:41 another and the tricky thing about that
18:39 – 18:44 is you can dismiss that as just some
18:41 – 18:47 more crazy stories until you start going
18:44 – 18:48 and talking to astral travelers and
18:47 – 18:50 they’ll tell you the same thing you know
18:48 – 18:53 I was out of my body and I couldn’t get
18:50 – 18:55 back in I was out of my body and someone
18:53 – 18:57 stepped into my body I mean these are
18:55 – 18:59 the accounts and again you can start you
18:57 – 19:01 can do that but that’s not you look
18:59 – 19:04 people who on earth have been relating
19:01 – 19:06 to that point time immemorial so that
19:04 – 19:08 there’s a known and there’s a docent
19:06 – 19:10 answer to that but the other thing
19:08 – 19:12 you’re taking up that’s interesting but
19:10 – 19:13 I was interrupting you go on in your
19:12 – 19:16 reasoning oh no I’ll stop and I’ll tell
19:13 – 19:20 me so so what do you make of that from
19:16 – 19:23 an astral traveler standpoint to me that
19:20 – 19:25 is too close to what we’re hearing in
19:23 – 19:27 the abduction accounts to just kind of
19:25 – 19:29 go oh well that’s something different we
19:27 – 19:32 understand that Oh
19:29 – 19:34 the problem here is soul the soul is as
19:32 – 19:36 meaningless a world as the road good you
19:34 – 19:37 said what does it mean to me doesn’t
19:36 – 19:39 matter what it demeans to me because if
19:37 – 19:41 we’re gonna communicate about this we
19:39 – 19:44 need objective terms terms that we both
19:41 – 19:45 can relate to that we have some kind of
19:44 – 19:49 resemblance
19:45 – 19:51 idea about so if you look at the term
19:49 – 19:54 ology I mean most people when they say
19:51 – 19:60 so they really mean the idea the I&S the
19:54 – 20:03 me right but if you think in materialist
19:60 – 20:06 concepts you think that the soul is just
20:03 – 20:08 uh it doesn’t really exist but
20:06 – 20:12 consciousness do as a byproduct of
20:08 – 20:14 matter so then they can think yeah you
20:12 – 20:15 can transfer it from one person to
20:14 – 20:18 another they think it’s just data they
20:15 – 20:21 think it’s like the information that you
20:18 – 20:23 have absorbed in your life and that can
20:21 – 20:25 be stored in a computer you see this in
20:23 – 20:27 all these movies and on TV series right
20:25 – 20:30 you store it in a computer and like we
20:27 – 20:31 can kind of put that aside right that’s
20:30 – 20:33 bullshit
20:31 – 20:35 talking about that so so a newborn
20:33 – 20:38 infant has no experience you can’t
20:35 – 20:41 upload information from a newborn infant
20:38 – 20:43 but doesn’t it have a soul right so
20:41 – 20:45 that’s the question now you know the
20:43 – 20:49 concept that a Sheldrake and many others
20:45 – 20:54 flaunt that it’s more like we live in a
20:49 – 20:59 field of energy and we know we do it in
20:54 – 21:04 terms of physics in terms of dense
20:59 – 21:07 matter because we have I mean everything
21:04 – 21:08 is just a huge sea of energy even
21:07 – 21:11 so-called there’s no such thing as
21:08 – 21:14 vacuum as you know there’s no vacuum but
21:11 – 21:19 there are forms that are manifested when
21:14 – 21:23 energy has taken certain patterns and
21:19 – 21:28 frequencies and or you know binding
21:23 – 21:30 themselves and building up to stuff we
21:28 – 21:33 can perceive remember it’s all about or
21:30 – 21:37 perception we have five senses and we
21:33 – 21:40 know that we can only perceive small
21:37 – 21:43 segments of the entire range of
21:40 – 21:47 operations in this sea of vibrations and
21:43 – 21:50 that’s just physical then you have the
21:47 – 21:53 life force and I venture to you life
21:50 – 21:56 force is like matter it’s a sea of
21:53 – 21:58 energy it’s not limited
21:56 – 22:01 the manifestation but then you can say
21:58 – 22:03 yeah but why isn’t something alive three
22:01 – 22:06 three meters away from me well why isn’t
22:03 – 22:09 something material manifested three
22:06 – 22:14 meters away from you it’s because the in
22:09 – 22:16 that space out of space-time there’s no
22:14 – 22:18 vehicle there that needs it but if you
22:16 – 22:20 walk over these those three meters
22:18 – 22:25 you’re still alive there’s not gonna be
22:20 – 22:28 anywhere in this universe where you will
22:25 – 22:30 physically walk and the matter will
22:28 – 22:32 cease to exist because it’s like a
22:30 – 22:35 vacuum of matter there so you’ll take
22:32 – 22:38 this structure you have and you’ll move
22:35 – 22:41 like waves and you wherever you go
22:38 – 22:43 you’re still in this sea of matter and
22:41 – 22:45 remember you’re losing atoms all the
22:43 – 22:47 time and you’re gaining atoms all the
22:45 – 22:52 time it’s not like a fixed structure
22:47 – 22:54 even though our senses are what’s called
22:52 – 22:57 a cone to think that it’s the same thing
22:54 – 23:01 perhaps I’ll suggest with lifeforce
22:57 – 23:03 so you wherever you go there is a strut
23:01 – 23:04 of life force and the same thing with
23:03 – 23:07 consciousness that may be easier to
23:04 – 23:10 swallow it’s the old concept where that
23:07 – 23:12 our bodies are more like antennas that’s
23:10 – 23:15 receiving the consciousness so if you
23:12 – 23:17 have if you make a perfect structure but
23:15 – 23:20 you can’t create life you can’t create
23:17 – 23:23 consciousness that you can make
23:20 – 23:25 conditions you can ruin conditions so it
23:23 – 23:29 can’t manifest I mean that’s how people
23:25 – 23:31 don’t write or you can do the opposite
23:29 – 23:34 you can create and so far we only be
23:31 – 23:36 able to do this with screwing each other
23:34 – 23:43 and reproducing the matter that way good
23:36 – 23:46 template do we know that 24 hours from
23:43 – 23:48 now okay and so Gordon will tell you
23:46 – 23:53 that in his study of the magic
23:48 – 23:57 traditions a well understood documented
23:53 – 23:59 in those circles that this spirit energy
23:57 – 24:01 consciousness in some form of
23:59 – 24:03 consciousness so whenever we say spirit
24:01 – 24:05 you know or some spirit or ghost or
24:03 – 24:08 whatever in some form or another that’s
24:05 – 24:13 consciousness that that
24:08 – 24:15 has been imbued into objects right so I
24:13 – 24:17 can put it into that necklace I can put
24:15 – 24:20 it into that statue I can put it in it
24:17 – 24:23 so this is a practice that people who
24:20 – 24:26 practice various forms of magic have
24:23 – 24:27 talked about for a hundred years so here
24:26 – 24:29 I’m gonna return you then to the
24:27 – 24:32 question because I think I I like the
24:29 – 24:36 way I kind of jolted you a little bit is
24:32 – 24:39 there a continuum that were not fully
24:36 – 24:43 considering or understanding between
24:39 – 24:47 shamanism and the manipulation of
24:43 – 24:48 consciousness as technology so I’m not
24:47 – 24:51 going to go on too long with that but
24:48 – 24:53 let me just fine-tune that when we look
24:51 – 24:55 at shamanism when we look at those
24:53 – 24:58 magical practices that I’m just talking
24:55 – 25:01 about are what we’re really looking at
24:58 – 25:05 is a crude form of manipulating
25:01 – 25:08 consciousness as opposed to are we
25:05 – 25:12 looking at advanced technologies that
25:08 – 25:16 can manipulate that same consciousness
25:12 – 25:19 when we look at some forms of the ET
25:16 – 25:21 encounter and can we have this
25:19 – 25:23 discussion without talking about
25:21 – 25:26 materialism because all those people are
25:23 – 25:29 on the outside looking in we’ll never
25:26 – 25:31 get it it’s just a big boy conversation
25:29 – 25:34 over here cows just forget it
25:31 – 25:36 Neil deGrasse Tyson forget it he’s an
25:34 – 25:40 actor he’s not a scientist by the way
25:36 – 25:42 he’s an actor but anyway yeah so so yeah
25:40 – 25:43 we can be but let’s not waste time on
25:42 – 25:46 that I agree let’s let’s take the deep
25:43 – 25:48 rule but I was going somewhere with this
25:46 – 25:51 train of thought of mining was so great
25:48 – 25:53 I was really having a revelation and I
25:51 – 25:56 just can’t for the life of me remember
25:53 – 25:57 what it was that you said but anyway I
25:56 – 25:59 was going to approximately the same
25:57 – 26:02 place because yeah we can manipulate
25:59 – 26:04 many consciousness can be manipulated
26:02 – 26:05 that’s especially the vehicles of the
26:04 – 26:07 consciousness can be manipulated and
26:05 – 26:10 thereby the expression of it you can
26:07 – 26:12 dumb people down physically so that even
26:10 – 26:14 geniuses can’t express themselves and
26:12 – 26:16 yeah it’s all to do with the vibrations
26:14 – 26:20 of course if you have very refined
26:16 – 26:25 technology even for superseding what we
26:20 – 26:28 today officially in the white world yeah
26:25 – 26:30 I mean you can go back to Tesla already
26:28 – 26:34 you can go hundred years back and
26:30 – 26:36 there’s still a scientific case to be
26:34 – 26:40 made even though we can’t prove that
26:36 – 26:43 it’s been done it’s completely feasible
26:40 – 26:46 within the mainstream paradigm of
26:43 – 26:48 science of what we know that
26:46 – 26:52 consciousness can be manipulated and it
26:48 – 26:55 can be probably boosted in some way it
26:52 – 26:59 can be slowed down it’s all to do with
26:55 – 27:02 frequencies because remember our senses
26:59 – 27:04 can only perceive I said at four minutes
27:02 – 27:07 ago but let me explain that because many
27:04 – 27:09 people don’t get that when I see I see
27:07 – 27:13 a limited range of mission it doesn’t
27:09 – 27:16 mean that what I can’t see is not
27:13 – 27:18 existing I mean that primitive notion I
27:16 – 27:19 only believe what I see well what if
27:18 – 27:23 you’re blind
27:19 – 27:26 you’re a complete nerd know a list so we
27:23 – 27:28 can’t see we can only see and I even
27:26 – 27:31 have the I have charts for this I know
27:28 – 27:35 exactly the frequencies we can perceive
27:31 – 27:38 smell is vibration sound is vibration
27:35 – 27:42 even touch the tactile sense is
27:38 – 27:45 vibration taste is vibration everything
27:42 – 27:52 is vibration but the see of vibration is
27:45 – 27:55 so enormous you know if you go above the
27:52 – 27:59 violet or below the red you come to
27:55 – 28:01 infrared and ultraviolet and we know
27:59 – 28:03 about those realities because we have
28:01 – 28:06 developed tools machines that can
28:03 – 28:09 perceive into those realities so we have
28:06 – 28:11 uncovered some aspects that we can’t
28:09 – 28:15 directly perceive by our biological
28:11 – 28:19 bodies but with machines with technology
28:15 – 28:23 we can interpret interpret vibrations
28:19 – 28:25 that are beyond our limited senses it’s
28:23 – 28:27 like we are punished in cosmos by being
28:25 – 28:30 placed on this earth and just being able
28:27 – 28:32 to perceive some aspects of reality but
28:30 – 28:35 it doesn’t mean that
28:32 – 28:38 there’s nothing there and I think the
28:35 – 28:42 key to your force even if there even if
28:38 – 28:44 they’re just technological still the key
28:42 – 28:46 to them is to think in terms of
28:44 – 28:49 vibrations and frequencies like Tesla
28:46 – 28:51 suggested already hundred years ago
28:49 – 28:53 because when they seem to be going to be
28:51 – 28:56 just disappearing oh they must be going
28:53 – 28:58 very quick well maybe they do but the
28:56 – 29:00 first thing they do is to raise the
28:58 – 29:04 vibrations they have to do that because
29:00 – 29:08 otherwise they are slowed down by the
29:04 – 29:11 polarity a matter all particles are
29:08 – 29:14 polar they have a plus and a minus and
29:11 – 29:20 and I have a third so-called neutral so
29:14 – 29:23 you cannot buy plus light and all that
29:20 – 29:25 stuff as long as you’re slow down it’s
29:23 – 29:28 like an anchor but as soon as you race
29:25 – 29:31 those frequencies you come up when you
29:28 – 29:34 come up to the limit of light you know
29:31 – 29:36 photons are the only known duel
29:34 – 29:39 particles then you can start talking
29:36 – 29:41 about these incredible speeds that are
29:39 – 29:43 faster than light and that’s why they
29:41 – 29:45 seem to be becoming invisible but we
29:43 – 29:48 know now there’s so much research we
29:45 – 29:52 know now that has many many many
29:48 – 29:57 so-called UFOs unknown objects
29:52 – 29:58 in these vibration frequencies that we
29:57 – 30:01 can’t proceed directly because we have
29:58 – 30:03 them on tape you can you can use night
30:01 – 30:06 vision googles you probably know all
30:03 – 30:09 about that the Ricci stuff when we go
30:06 – 30:12 below the vision range and we see stuff
30:09 – 30:14 when we go above and far beyond it so we
30:12 – 30:17 know they’re operating in these trotters
30:14 – 30:20 whether the technological or not now
30:17 – 30:24 who’s to say there’s no biological
30:20 – 30:27 creatures beings that also move in these
30:24 – 30:30 vibration fields I mean there’s no rule
30:27 – 30:34 in cosmos assess that every creature
30:30 – 30:37 have to be punished to our prison our
30:34 – 30:40 perception person in fact only here on
30:37 – 30:43 earth we know that it’s possible bats
30:40 – 30:46 for instance even cats you know how dogs
30:43 – 30:48 hear stuff that we can’t hear it’s basic
30:46 – 30:50 all living creatures have different
30:48 – 30:52 range of perception and I’m not even
30:50 – 30:54 introducing the dimension problem
30:52 – 30:57 because yeah we’re three-dimensional
30:54 – 30:60 creatures right and what about beings
30:57 – 31:02 who are in more dimensions than that so
30:60 – 31:04 you see there’s a lot of possibilities
31:02 – 31:07 here you don’t have to invoke a oh oh I
31:04 – 31:11 totally reject the idea that we can with
31:07 – 31:14 matter machines create consciousness
31:11 – 31:17 like I said maybe we can create
31:14 – 31:19 something that some kind of
31:17 – 31:21 consciousness can use to hijack and
31:19 – 31:23 manifest it through but that doesn’t
31:21 – 31:23 mean we’ve created it you see what I
31:23 – 31:26 mean
31:23 – 31:30 so my suggestion to that problem if so
31:26 – 31:32 many screwing around with us for our
31:30 – 31:36 consciousness or whatever then it’s
31:32 – 31:40 probably even more sinister than I I it
31:36 – 31:42 may be to put it practically agnostic
31:40 – 31:44 terms the Revenge of the dimeric return
31:42 – 31:46 of the demo they say you know how they
31:44 – 31:48 say in New Age and who and you followed
31:46 – 31:52 you know that they say oh they’ve
31:48 – 31:54 created a rift I’m not going to blame
31:52 – 31:58 them but I’m saying for some reason or
31:54 – 32:01 another we now know that there are maybe
31:58 – 32:02 they’ve always been there but we know
32:01 – 32:03 they’re there we know there’s something
32:02 – 32:05 there
32:03 – 32:07 and it ain’t
32:05 – 32:10 that said of course I believe we too are
32:07 – 32:13 a part of this game I mean human beings
32:10 – 32:15 but we know there are stuff there and so
32:13 – 32:18 Gordon is right when he makes a case for
32:15 – 32:21 that the ancients were related to
32:18 – 32:23 energies that cannot be immediately
32:21 – 32:29 perceived but we can know about them
32:23 – 32:32 indirectly oh by all the means oh ok I
32:29 – 32:35 think I think the shaman thing may be
32:32 – 32:38 wrong and I say wrong to be provocative
32:35 – 32:41 because it’s not really wrong they may
32:38 – 32:47 be looking at a very underdeveloped
32:41 – 32:50 sense of manipulating certain aspects of
32:47 – 32:51 consciousness in the same way that cargo
32:50 – 32:53 coats
32:51 – 32:55 well not cargo cults when we look at
32:53 – 32:56 ancient agriculture we say wow they did
32:55 – 32:58 pretty good they had that little stick
32:56 – 33:01 and they drove it in the ground and then
32:58 – 33:03 they stuck a fish in in the with every
33:01 – 33:06 corn seed and it grew Hey good for them
33:03 – 33:09 you know right now we get a we get a
33:06 – 33:11 hundred times that by doing all this
33:09 – 33:14 kind of manipulation some of it good
33:11 – 33:17 some of it bad but we figured out how to
33:14 – 33:20 do that at a whole different level so
33:17 – 33:23 the fact that that these ancient people
33:20 – 33:27 figured out a way to perform these
33:23 – 33:29 tricks manipulate this other dimension
33:27 – 33:31 we’ll just keep calling it consciousness
33:29 – 33:34 for lack of a better word maybe we’re
33:31 – 33:36 over impressed by that oh I think we’re
33:34 – 33:37 under impressed of course of course you
33:36 – 33:40 fail to see there’s something you fail
33:37 – 33:42 to see in that reasoning look they were
33:40 – 33:44 having archaic consciousness or magical
33:42 – 33:46 mythical depends when we’re talking
33:44 – 33:48 about so that means that they were
33:46 – 33:51 dealing with the same things but they
33:48 – 33:54 were expressing and experiencing
33:51 – 33:55 differently look I said people had a
33:54 – 33:58 different kind of consciousness before
33:55 – 34:02 that means that what they perceive it
33:58 – 34:05 was also different if you kill all
34:02 – 34:07 technology on earth you just try to
34:05 – 34:08 imagine like a meditation exercise or
34:07 – 34:12 something yeah it’s almost impossible
34:08 – 34:15 people in nature like or Norwegians we
34:12 – 34:17 know we know the wages are very artistic
34:15 – 34:19 or I should say agnostic
34:17 – 34:22 we’re probably the most secular one of
34:19 – 34:25 the most secular in the world right now
34:22 – 34:27 but all the Weejun when they go to the
34:25 – 34:31 mountains when they go to the forests
34:27 – 34:34 they become extremely humble and they
34:31 – 34:36 connect with something now we prefer the
34:34 – 34:38 technical way to explain it rather than
34:36 – 34:41 the mythical because we lost from that
34:38 – 34:43 part of consciousness but it’s still
34:41 – 34:45 there and we still know about it it’s a
34:43 – 34:48 reality so if you go back to such a
34:45 – 34:49 world where it’s just completely quiet I
34:48 – 34:52 lived
34:49 – 34:54 I’ve lived in complete isolation I’ve
34:52 – 34:56 lived in places where you had to drive a
34:54 – 34:58 car for half an hour to get to the
34:56 – 35:00 closest groceries I was surrounded by
34:58 – 35:03 wild beasts and creatures that’s it it
35:00 – 35:03 was completely dark it was completely
35:03 – 35:06 quiet
35:03 – 35:08 and it was completely lonesome the three
35:06 – 35:12 big fierce people are right silence
35:08 – 35:15 darkness and loneliness I conquered them
35:12 – 35:19 and I have to say if that was the world
35:15 – 35:22 all I know I had to I had electricity
35:19 – 35:25 yeah what if I didn’t even have that the
35:22 – 35:28 stores are very powerful but I think you
35:25 – 35:30 forced into other frequencies with your
35:28 – 35:33 consciousness under such circumstances
35:30 – 35:35 or the other way around the modern
35:33 – 35:37 technology the modern society has forced
35:35 – 35:40 us into the so-called technical
35:37 – 35:43 consciousness and so we stopped relating
35:40 – 35:47 to those other possibilities in reality
35:43 – 35:50 except via matter via machines via
35:47 – 35:53 technology which is really a bypass the
35:50 – 35:56 Shaymin he had a direct connection and
35:53 – 35:60 if you entertain the notion that it’s
35:56 – 36:03 possible to develop yourself to grow as
35:60 – 36:05 a human being you know you don’t have to
36:03 – 36:06 adopt you know the Hitler idea and the
36:05 – 36:08 Nietzsche idea that you become a
36:06 – 36:10 Superman and you’re gonna rule the
36:08 – 36:12 others but ancient old idea of becoming
36:10 – 36:14 a god
36:12 – 36:16 I mean you can see it in all religions
36:14 – 36:18 all religious talk about it they say
36:16 – 36:20 that the and you asked me for the
36:18 – 36:23 meaning of life well it is to go that
36:20 – 36:25 part it is to grow it is to become more
36:23 – 36:27 than you are and if you become a god if
36:25 – 36:29 you become a higher kind of being that
36:27 – 36:33 we meant to be like an embryo that’s
36:29 – 36:36 supposed to develop then maybe we too
36:33 – 36:39 can attain what these so called UFOs
36:36 – 36:41 does you know the Tibetan say just you
36:39 – 36:44 know people levitating whatever you have
36:41 – 36:47 these notions that man can you know
36:44 – 36:50 Enoch in the Bible or he was raised to
36:47 – 36:53 Metatron and he could rule he was the
36:50 – 36:55 first human being to reach that level
36:53 – 36:57 where he could rule for us the right
36:55 – 37:03 hand of God you know the Gnostics they
36:57 – 37:05 said that the angels were really not as
37:03 – 37:07 developed as humans being although they
37:05 – 37:10 were at a higher level because it’s all
37:07 – 37:14 about the fall if you imagine a circle
37:10 – 37:16 and you say that the divine the god the
37:14 – 37:18 the supreme is on top and the matter is
37:16 – 37:22 a bottom and we are now at the bottom
37:18 – 37:25 that’s where we are operating with our
37:22 – 37:28 consciousness well it’s a circle so you
37:25 – 37:31 can get back to top but the difference
37:28 – 37:34 between someone who are between the top
37:31 – 37:36 and bottom like the angels is that they
37:34 – 37:38 haven’t fallen that’s why the depicted
37:36 – 37:40 where their feet never touching the
37:38 – 37:42 ground it’s a symbol that they don’t no
37:40 – 37:43 matter they don’t know the suffering the
37:42 – 37:46 darkness all the stuff that we’re
37:43 – 37:48 dealing with the limitations so they’re
37:46 – 37:50 yeah the more advanced than us in a way
37:48 – 37:52 in the fact that they’re living at the
37:50 – 37:54 higher level but they’re not more
37:52 – 37:56 advanced in terms of soul maturity and
37:54 – 37:59 experience because experience is what
37:56 – 38:02 really develops you know hang on hang on
37:59 – 38:04 no no no you misunderstand me I’m trying
38:02 – 38:06 to paint an analogy for you and I’m
38:04 – 38:09 almost done let me just complete it then
38:06 – 38:11 you have the other side we’re at the
38:09 – 38:13 same level of the angels all the soul is
38:11 – 38:16 a circle where you put the human beings
38:13 – 38:18 who have ascended who have grown now the
38:16 – 38:20 difference between them and the angels
38:18 – 38:22 although they are the same level on the
38:20 – 38:24 circle in a
38:22 – 38:28 between top and bottom is that the
38:24 – 38:31 humans no darkness they know the earth
38:28 – 38:34 the matter they have that experience
38:31 – 38:37 this is the central subject in many
38:34 – 38:40 esoteric and spiritual traditions
38:37 – 38:42 including the Gnostics and so that’s
38:40 – 38:46 what happened with in the Bible with you
38:42 – 38:46 know the God said yeah you’ll become
38:46 – 38:49 Metatron
38:46 – 38:51 that’s an angel name and the other
38:49 – 38:54 angels got jealous and they revolted and
38:51 – 38:57 not everyone but you know Lucifer and
38:54 – 38:60 all these people because they how could
38:57 – 39:04 a lowly human being be raised up to
38:60 – 39:07 their level and that’s what I could
39:04 – 39:10 stomach they were arrogant and then they
39:07 – 39:12 fell which was obviously a choice they
39:10 – 39:16 made because they wanted okay you want
39:12 – 39:18 to know the human condition down with
39:16 – 39:22 you and so that’s the war in heaven and
39:18 – 39:24 when Michael took the fire angel took
39:22 – 39:26 lose the first place
39:24 – 39:28 now why am I talking about this because
39:26 – 39:30 it’s a perfect analogy of what we’re
39:28 – 39:32 talking about here this is expressed in
39:30 – 39:36 mythical consciousness but it may have
39:32 – 39:39 it may express scientific realities
39:36 – 39:42 again you’re saying we’re not going to
39:39 – 39:44 discuss this at the basic level right so
39:42 – 39:50 I’m assuming that people who listen to
39:44 – 39:53 this can follow this kind of idea we’re
39:50 – 39:55 discussing here its its symbols but it’s
39:53 – 39:58 expressing something that may be real so
39:55 – 40:01 we’re talking about advanced creatures
39:58 – 40:04 that may manifest in the phenomenon we
40:01 – 40:06 call UFOs then we may be talking about
40:04 – 40:09 creatures host who’s either at a lower
40:06 – 40:11 level than us because they don’t know
40:09 – 40:12 how it is to be here or we may be
40:11 – 40:14 talking about creatures that are at a
40:12 – 40:17 higher level because they have been
40:14 – 40:20 through this kind of experience but
40:17 – 40:23 because remember every spiritual
40:20 – 40:25 relation agree that mankind is in touch
40:23 – 40:28 with a source we have this sense of self
40:25 – 40:31 they say the grace what
40:28 – 40:34 they say it’s like robots soulless
40:31 – 40:37 creatures and and a I would be
40:34 – 40:39 completely soulless creatures and so
40:37 – 40:41 they’re not in touch with the source
40:39 – 40:44 they’re nothing they don’t have the
40:41 – 40:47 possibility to advance like me know what
40:44 – 40:52 human being have and so if if that’s
40:47 – 40:56 true that humans beings can grow beyond
40:52 – 40:57 their condition then yeah there would be
40:56 – 40:59 forces that would be interested in
40:57 – 41:02 keeping us down because it’s all about
40:59 – 41:04 liberation and if you if you grow if you
41:02 – 41:06 become liberated then you’re a threat to
41:04 – 41:08 those who try to control and those who
41:06 – 41:11 try try to control are obviously not
41:08 – 41:12 enlightened creatures whoever they are
41:11 – 41:14 even if they’re not even human beings
41:12 – 41:17 because the nature of control is
41:14 – 41:22 actually the opposite of love power and
41:17 – 41:24 love are kind of opposites oh yeah so
41:22 – 41:29 I’m saying that we have that possibility
41:24 – 41:32 to grow and who knows what levels we can
41:29 – 41:34 reach or I think if we can raise
41:32 – 41:37 ourselves to higher vibration we can do
41:34 – 41:48 the same as UFOs we can influence matter
41:37 – 41:50 okay so enjoy talking to you and having
41:48 – 41:52 these kind of discussions where we can
41:50 – 41:53 really dive deep and that was the point
41:52 – 41:56 of all this
41:53 – 41:59 so I’ve jotted down a couple of data
41:56 – 41:60 points that I think I’ve put on the
41:59 – 42:02 table already
41:60 – 42:04 and I want to make sure you come back
42:02 – 42:07 and address because I like the data
42:04 – 42:10 point idea I like the litmus test if you
42:07 – 42:13 will the test that divides us puts us on
42:10 – 42:16 one side or another so one I’d say is
42:13 – 42:18 the head transplant oh yeah operation
42:16 – 42:20 that our friend in Italy is going to
42:18 – 42:24 perform that is going to tell us
42:20 – 42:27 something beyond all the you know no
42:24 – 42:30 regulation no it’s a head it’s not a
42:27 – 42:32 brain transplantation is it the entire
42:30 – 42:35 well is it is it a head or a brain both
42:32 – 42:37 the whole thing well I had is more than
42:35 – 42:38 a brain my friend but
42:37 – 42:42 I said it’s the whole thing it’s both
42:38 – 42:43 okay but if he takes a brain out of one
42:42 – 42:46 perfect person I push it in another
42:43 – 42:48 person’s I had it’s a head it’s a head
42:46 – 42:50 with the brain yeah but if he only does
42:48 – 42:54 it with a brain you know the front gets
42:50 – 42:57 done I know but I’m saying if he didn’t
42:54 – 43:01 do the head if he only did a brain and
42:57 – 43:03 he and or someone did it and the person
43:01 – 43:05 woke up and were the same person well
43:03 – 43:07 how could we know but said it was the
43:05 – 43:08 same person and seemed like be it being
43:07 – 43:11 in the same person at least we know that
43:08 – 43:14 consciousness is and he had no
43:11 – 43:18 expression problems then we know that
43:14 – 43:21 consciousness is basically connected to
43:18 – 43:24 the brain but you know we know already
43:21 – 43:26 that consciousness is also interacting
43:24 – 43:28 with the heart and with the gut and with
43:26 – 43:30 the whole spine thing I think it will
43:28 – 43:33 fail unless it takes the whole goddamn
43:30 – 43:36 spine I think he needs all the way now
43:33 – 43:38 if it’s the head you have the pinpoint
43:36 – 43:41 Neil you put you call it picture every
43:38 – 43:45 gland we call it a doofus and a
43:41 – 43:47 hypothesis and yeah yeah there’s many
43:45 – 43:49 more things than just the brain and the
43:47 – 43:52 brain in itself is also you know in in
43:49 – 43:54 different parts so okay what do you
43:52 – 43:56 think is gonna happen now I’m gonna
43:54 – 43:58 record we’ll have a little pool yeah
43:56 – 43:60 what do you think is gonna happen when
43:58 – 44:01 that when he moves the head from one
43:60 – 44:03 person to the next
44:01 – 44:05 well I think they will have to do it
44:03 – 44:07 many times before they will succeed but
44:05 – 44:10 they would be incredibly look they claim
44:07 – 44:12 to have done it with animals yeah yeah
44:10 – 44:14 but they can’t know if the animal is the
44:12 – 44:17 same creature because if you do it and
44:14 – 44:20 if you can connect the head to a system
44:17 – 44:23 that already has a heart and I got then
44:20 – 44:26 well it’s a very interesting thing you
44:23 – 44:29 know people who get organs from other
44:26 – 44:31 people they can feel stuff that they
44:29 – 44:33 couldn’t they experienced stuff that
44:31 – 44:34 they couldn’t experience before right
44:33 – 44:37 you know what I mean and and some people
44:34 – 44:40 have is reported to have had personality
44:37 – 44:43 changes you know coined people becoming
44:40 – 44:46 evil stuff like that
44:43 – 44:48 it’s incredible they’re interesting
44:46 – 44:50 because you’re altering the vehicle for
44:48 – 44:51 the consciousness but if there’s
44:50 – 44:53 consciousness everywhere
44:51 – 44:56 and you create optimal conditions for
44:53 – 44:59 them to express themselves I think it
44:56 – 45:02 could be feasible to get it sounds like
44:59 – 45:05 you’re kind of coming around to some of
45:02 – 45:07 my when you start saying when we change
45:05 – 45:09 the conditions for consciousness we
45:07 – 45:12 change the vehicles for consciousness
45:09 – 45:15 where somehow seem to be changing the
45:12 – 45:17 way the consciousness manifests I’m not
45:15 – 45:22 saying I understand that I’m just saying
45:17 – 45:24 as we start taking a broader picture of
45:22 – 45:27 the data and start putting it together
45:24 – 45:29 I don’t know I’m really on the cusp of
45:27 – 45:31 this I this is new territory for me it’s
45:29 – 45:33 both exciting but it also feels
45:31 – 45:35 threatening to me because this this goes
45:33 – 45:38 against a lot of the things that I’ve
45:35 – 45:40 said you know no no Sarah no no of
45:38 – 45:43 course the big question is if there is
45:40 – 45:46 it’s the sole idea and now I’m talking
45:43 – 45:48 about it as an i as a me question is
45:46 – 45:51 which me is manifesting we don’t know
45:48 – 45:54 and as we loosen our grip on that you’d
45:51 – 45:55 be the possibilities become more and
45:54 – 45:57 more okay I’m gonna throw out another
45:55 – 45:58 data point so the other data point I’ve
45:57 – 46:00 already thrown out that maybe we’ve
45:58 – 46:03 hammered enough for now is the whole
46:00 – 46:06 shaman thing and the assumptions we’re
46:03 – 46:09 making about how the shaman or the
46:06 – 46:12 magician is interacting with in
46:09 – 46:14 manipulating consciousness or the field
46:12 – 46:17 or whatever we want to call it and I’m
46:14 – 46:20 just throwing out the possibility that
46:17 – 46:22 what we’re seeing there is a very crude
46:20 – 46:26 manipulation that could be refined
46:22 – 46:30 greatly with technology and that maybe
46:26 – 46:32 there are people entities whatever that
46:30 – 46:34 have used that as a starting point and
46:32 – 46:36 said oh yeah that’s that’s a nice quaint
46:34 – 46:39 little thing over there we have that
46:36 – 46:41 times a hundred and we have it not only
46:39 – 46:44 we’ve not only mastered it but we’ve
46:41 – 46:46 added a technological component to it
46:44 – 46:48 where we can turn this knob and turn
46:46 – 46:51 that knob and okay but if you are in
46:48 – 46:54 touch with the source of all energy then
46:51 – 46:58 you can manifest energy then you can
46:54 – 47:02 create energy forms if you are dependent
46:58 – 47:05 on technology then it’s like like I said
47:02 – 47:07 to you in our pre-shot it’s
47:05 – 47:10 manipulating it’s a lower trying to
47:07 – 47:12 imitate the higher I don’t leave maybe
47:10 – 47:14 do we really know that no but I’m saying
47:12 – 47:17 it’s more effective it’s more effective
47:14 – 47:19 to become a creature with a with
47:17 – 47:22 consciousness
47:19 – 47:26 that’s so much larger than human can
47:22 – 47:28 fathom that they can manifest who’s to
47:26 – 47:32 say that these so-called spirits if they
47:28 – 47:33 are higher creatures can’t manifest and
47:32 – 47:36 now we’re going into Jack Valley
47:33 – 47:38 territory right maybe they you know okay
47:36 – 47:41 you believe in Virgin Mary
47:38 – 47:45 now I’m manifesting to us Virgin Mary
47:41 – 47:47 whatever you be you you’re an ape man
47:45 – 47:49 now I’m manifesting to you something
47:47 – 47:51 that they can relate to okay we’re in a
47:49 – 47:53 technological age okay I’m manifesting
47:51 – 47:56 like a spacecraft you know I think
47:53 – 47:59 people misinterpret that and I think
47:56 – 48:02 they way jump too far and say okay like
47:59 – 48:04 that somehow answers the question and I
48:02 – 48:06 don’t say that you’re necessarily saying
48:04 – 48:10 that but I’m not sure what to really do
48:06 – 48:12 with that insight so instead I’m gonna
48:10 – 48:14 hit you with a couple other data points
48:12 – 48:16 and see what you think you missed a
48:14 – 48:19 point though no I
48:16 – 48:21 well I the point is just that if it
48:19 – 48:24 appears to be technological it doesn’t
48:21 – 48:27 mean that it’s technology that is King
48:24 – 48:30 here it means that in fact it may be
48:27 – 48:32 spirit that this king and we are just
48:30 – 48:34 perceiving it as something we can relate
48:32 – 48:37 to at all level and then we think okay
48:34 – 48:39 we make better technology then we can do
48:37 – 48:42 this and maybe we can improve ourselves
48:39 – 48:45 maybe it’s a good inspirational tool you
48:42 – 48:45 know if technologies here’s the counter
48:45 – 48:48 to that
48:45 – 48:51 l/s go talk to whitley strieber go talk
48:48 – 48:53 to hundreds and hundreds of abductees
48:51 – 48:56 and they’ll tell you all about screen
48:53 – 48:59 memory they’ll tell you how ET
48:56 – 49:01 completely created an alternative
48:59 – 49:05 reality in their mind completely
49:01 – 49:08 presented implanted thoughts that that
49:05 – 49:10 all fit together and all this stuff so
49:08 – 49:12 again I don’t get that what do you mean
49:10 – 49:14 what are they saying I think the point
49:12 – 49:15 that you were making and I hear people
49:14 – 49:18 make a lot of time with the shock delay
49:15 – 49:18 stuff is that you know the Virgin Mary
49:18 – 49:20 can
49:18 – 49:23 presented as the Virgin Mary blah blah
49:20 – 49:26 blah the ferry can present as a ferry
49:23 – 49:29 you know so therefore we don’t know what
49:26 – 49:32 it is why when we switch over to the et
49:29 – 49:34 world and we go inside the abduction
49:32 – 49:37 scenario these people are going yeah
49:34 – 49:39 it’s really it’s really messed up but
49:37 – 49:42 they created these memories in my mind
49:39 – 49:44 and then I went through ten years of
49:42 – 49:47 hell and depression and alcoholism and
49:44 – 49:49 finally wound up in regressive
49:47 – 49:52 hypnotherapy and I remember where they
49:49 – 49:54 put these screen memories in me and they
49:52 – 49:56 manipulated and did it in this way so we
49:54 – 49:58 can go back to saying well have they
49:56 – 50:00 mastered it or not quite mastered it is
49:58 – 50:04 the shaman further along than they are
50:00 – 50:07 whatever but again I just don’t think we
50:04 – 50:08 are you’re taking their interpretation
50:07 – 50:11 at face value
50:08 – 50:14 you’re literally believing we don’t need
50:11 – 50:15 to completely accept it but we need to
50:14 – 50:17 have that as a data point because the
50:15 – 50:19 counter to that is so many people take
50:17 – 50:21 the valet stuff and all of a sudden
50:19 – 50:23 they’re off talking about fairies as if
50:21 – 50:25 this somehow offers some kind of
50:23 – 50:29 explanation for things if we’re gonna
50:25 – 50:31 try and nail down the data the abduction
50:29 – 50:33 accounts give us a much better data set
50:31 – 50:37 to work with the only other alternative
50:33 – 50:39 what people other than you know the like
50:37 – 50:41 we set the Neil deGrasse Tyson stuff but
50:39 – 50:43 that’s out the window so we drove that
50:41 – 50:48 out the window hypnosis is a very
50:43 – 50:50 dubious – – you know great you’ve just
50:48 – 50:51 walked into my next data point okay I
50:50 – 50:53 want you to consider this I wanted to
50:51 – 50:56 tell me what you think so Darren Darren
50:53 – 50:57 brown I you know I had a chance to book
50:56 – 50:59 him a few years ago and I didn’t and I
50:57 – 51:01 wish I would have because now he’s he’s
50:59 – 51:04 too big and I’d never get him and I
51:01 – 51:06 don’t understand why he’s a freaking
51:04 – 51:08 atheist which is completely stupid in
51:06 – 51:10 mind but he’s an agnostic yeah but he
51:08 – 51:12 said acts Christian that’s why he sees a
51:10 – 51:14 victim of his experience I know what
51:12 – 51:17 that is – you know and he’s and he’s
51:14 – 51:19 from the UK so he could never you think
51:17 – 51:22 more broadly than just black or white
51:19 – 51:23 and stuff but the guy is incredible I
51:22 – 51:25 don’t want to put him down the guy is
51:23 – 51:29 absolutely incredible
51:25 – 51:31 he’s a mesmerizing and his ability to
51:29 – 51:32 manipulate consciousness at this low
51:31 – 51:34 level
51:32 – 51:35 right so now we have to kind of put our
51:34 – 51:37 feet back on the ground we’re not
51:35 – 51:39 talking about fairies and ETS
51:37 – 51:40 we’re talking about the Manchurian
51:39 – 51:43 Candidate but I don’t know if people
51:40 – 51:45 have ever seen it but Darren brown
51:43 – 51:47 creates a Manchurian Candidate right in
51:45 – 51:50 front of your eyes and he doesn’t in he
51:47 – 51:51 gives you the recipe he says okay the
51:50 – 51:53 first thing you have to do is you have
51:51 – 51:54 to start with a hundred people because
51:53 – 51:57 you’re only gonna want to select out the
51:54 – 51:59 people who are most subjective throw the
51:57 – 52:00 rest of them out throw 95 from Mount
51:59 – 52:04 take the five that are most suggestible
52:00 – 52:07 BAM you got cirhonk cirhonk exactly
52:04 – 52:08 sirhan sirhan exactly so if those guys
52:07 – 52:12 at MK ULTRA we’re doing all this stuff
52:08 – 52:14 but it’s just a small part of it but the
52:12 – 52:16 point is Darren brown we can all cock a
52:14 – 52:19 watch it right now go watch it he
52:16 – 52:20 creates the Manchurian Candidate he puts
52:19 – 52:23 him in twice in two different show
52:20 – 52:25 sectioning just two different shows and
52:23 – 52:28 and again so let’s put our feet back on
52:25 – 52:30 the ground and look at that that data
52:28 – 52:32 points oh okay that’s not sold you know
52:30 – 52:37 oh that’s this part of the mind isn’t
52:32 – 52:40 that hey we have no idea how that can
52:37 – 52:44 happen why that happens we have no sense
52:40 – 52:48 for if this guy is able to manipulate
52:44 – 52:52 consciousness in this way are there
52:48 – 52:57 beings individuals a eyes that have
52:52 – 53:00 similarly fit not a ice but yeah there
52:57 – 53:03 are probably beings human or otherwise
53:00 – 53:07 who can do the same in fact it’s not
53:03 – 53:09 just probable it’s it’s well I’ll be
53:07 – 53:11 professional I said probable I’ll not be
53:09 – 53:14 black and white here but yeah everything
53:11 – 53:16 points to that of course I mean I can I
53:14 – 53:18 can manipulate my cat now if I want to
53:16 – 53:20 and I’m a greater consciousness and my
53:18 – 53:22 cat I hope great so you know what I’m
53:20 – 53:24 gonna throw in my next data point right
53:22 – 53:26 there without even talking about this
53:24 – 53:28 one so um you know a few years ago I
53:26 – 53:31 when I really first got into psychics
53:28 – 53:33 and again my journey on skeptic Oh was I
53:31 – 53:35 didn’t know if any of this stuff was
53:33 – 53:37 true I didn’t know if any of it was true
53:35 – 53:39 so I kind of just took an open mind I
53:37 – 53:41 kind of had an inkling that you know
53:39 – 53:44 it’s just gotta be something to it
53:41 – 53:47 because people don’t lie on such a mass
53:44 – 53:48 scale in a grandiose way that don’t have
53:47 – 53:50 any interest you know why would all
53:48 – 53:52 these psychics be lying and more
53:50 – 53:54 importantly why would all these people
53:52 – 53:56 who visit and beeline with one thing I
53:54 – 53:57 got into and all that was animal
53:56 – 53:60 communication I don’t know if you’ve
53:57 – 54:02 ever done it but or looked into it but
53:60 – 54:05 the evidence is overwhelming that some
54:02 – 54:07 people have this ability unexplained
54:05 – 54:08 ability to communicate with animals and
54:07 – 54:10 get more talking about Sheldrick
54:08 – 54:13 Sheldrick totally nailed it
54:10 – 54:16 scientifically with dog hair oh just
54:13 – 54:18 creepy – oh the parrot is just too much
54:16 – 54:19 but now so I’m listen to this this
54:18 – 54:21 animal communicator the other day I’m
54:19 – 54:22 one of these podcast and here’s the
54:21 – 54:25 story it’s a great one it’s about your
54:22 – 54:28 kin ya know she goes I’m going I go over
54:25 – 54:30 to dinner with some friends I’m an
54:28 – 54:33 animal communicator but I don’t lead
54:30 – 54:35 with that because it’s I never know
54:33 – 54:36 where it’s gonna go with people but I
54:35 – 54:38 walk into their house and we’re getting
54:36 – 54:41 ready for dinner and the cat comes over
54:38 – 54:42 and the cats communicating to me and he
54:41 – 54:45 does not look when cat or she goes when
54:42 – 54:46 cats communicate I get different kinds
54:45 – 54:48 of message sometimes I see images
54:46 – 54:50 sometimes I have feelings this and that
54:48 – 54:54 in this case I just get this strong
54:50 – 54:58 image it’s a circle with a square in it
54:54 – 54:60 a circle one yellow square a circle with
54:58 – 55:02 a yellow square and I can’t get over and
54:60 – 55:04 I can’t make anything of it but it’s
55:02 – 55:06 really bugging me what’s going on and
55:04 – 55:08 then right before dinner
55:06 – 55:12 my host comes out with a little plate
55:08 – 55:15 with a tab of butter on it it puts it
55:12 – 55:21 down for the cat yeah and my apron is to
55:15 – 55:22 get food yeah that’s great at that Wow
55:21 – 55:25 you know she doesn’t say anything but
55:22 – 55:29 she so that’s what I saw in my head and
55:25 – 55:31 she was is it typical for your cat to
55:29 – 55:32 eat butter and she goes well it’s a
55:31 – 55:35 special treat sometimes when we have
55:32 – 55:38 visitors come over all right give her
55:35 – 55:40 that special treat of a tab of butter
55:38 – 55:42 and she said okay now everything made
55:40 – 55:47 sense there the point being the data
55:42 – 55:51 point being the consciousness of animals
55:47 – 55:54 is in this realm in this hierarchy if AI
55:51 – 55:56 if we’re going to create AI if we’re
55:54 – 55:58 gonna create artificial intelligence
55:56 – 56:01 that can somehow
55:58 – 56:03 take on consciousness it’s not gonna
56:01 – 56:05 take it on in human form it’s gonna take
56:03 – 56:09 it on and you know it’s gonna have the
56:05 – 56:10 consciousness of a ant at the beginning
56:09 – 56:12 and then the consciousness and then it’s
56:10 – 56:14 gonna build up to the consciousness of a
56:12 – 56:15 cat but I think sometimes when we try
56:14 – 56:18 and tackle this problem and pull it
56:15 – 56:21 apart now you just met a leap you have
56:18 – 56:26 to walk me through that leap how is
56:21 – 56:29 something that’s lacking the life strata
56:26 – 56:32 and consciousness strata how can it
56:29 – 56:34 develop consciousness if it’s my don’t
56:32 – 56:36 know I don’t know as I’m telling you I’m
56:34 – 56:38 not comfortable with the things that I’m
56:36 – 56:39 saying look like I said consciousness
56:38 – 56:43 can hijack it
56:39 – 56:46 but that’s created already yeah we know
56:43 – 56:49 that chill and you know yeah I think we
56:46 – 56:54 know that I think we’ve seen examples
56:49 – 56:56 well I mean we can’t go to the skeptics
56:54 – 56:57 with this and hit them in the head with
56:56 – 57:02 it but but I think we’ve seen examples
56:57 – 57:06 of mind over matter or matter being
57:02 – 57:08 manipulated by by consciousness yeah I
57:06 – 57:10 think that’s possible in fact I think we
57:08 – 57:13 can make tools in the transhumanism
57:10 – 57:15 thing that I’m totally against but I
57:13 – 57:17 think they can reach levels where and
57:15 – 57:19 they have already actually to a certain
57:17 – 57:21 extent where our consciousness can
57:19 – 57:24 manipulate this matter right that’s why
57:21 – 57:27 they think that consciousness is
57:24 – 57:29 resonant innate with it they think it’s
57:27 – 57:33 like at the same level just because you
57:29 – 57:36 know if you’re completely numb paralyzed
57:33 – 57:39 do you have a the illness so you can
57:36 – 57:41 spine problem something they can make it
57:39 – 57:43 so that you can you know put on the
57:41 – 57:46 light so whatever right and they put
57:43 – 57:49 chips in us yeah we can interact with
57:46 – 57:51 consciousness I don’t know with matter
57:49 – 57:55 doesn’t mean that matter is sentient
57:51 – 57:56 alive right that’s the big problem
57:55 – 57:58 that’s what we’re really discussing
57:56 – 58:01 we’re not disagreeing about all the
57:58 – 58:04 other aspects that matter and technology
58:01 – 58:07 can boost our possibilities that we can
58:04 – 58:09 make our consciousness or all the types
58:07 – 58:10 of consciousness influence it I’m all
58:09 – 58:12 with that
58:10 – 58:14 but they’re really interesting
58:12 – 58:17 philosophical thing here is the
58:14 – 58:21 transplantation thing what do you think
58:17 – 58:24 will happen with that had I really don’t
58:21 – 58:30 know I’m leaning towards the idea that
58:24 – 58:34 the consciousness soul connection is not
58:30 – 58:38 what we think it is it’s not as special
58:34 – 58:42 it’s not as unique it’s more malleable
58:38 – 58:46 it’s more flexible than maybe we’ve
58:42 – 58:49 we’ve thought and one data points for me
58:46 – 58:52 is there are accounts again abduction
58:49 – 58:55 accounts ET abduction accounts where
58:52 – 58:58 they keep saying ET how do you know it’s
58:55 – 58:59 ET you know that that’s an interesting I
58:58 – 59:02 don’t know if we even want to go down
58:59 – 59:04 that that alley I want to finish this
59:02 – 59:06 because okay I’m gonna throw two more
59:04 – 59:07 data points up one is a very loose data
59:06 – 59:10 point because I can’t really nail it
59:07 – 59:12 down but there’s accounts of ET
59:10 – 59:15 abduction where they seem to be able to
59:12 – 59:18 manipulate consciousness from one being
59:15 – 59:20 to another move it from one being to
59:18 – 59:22 another and that they do Darren brown
59:20 – 59:24 could probably do that thing and make a
59:22 – 59:27 person believe that’s what he’s
59:24 – 59:30 experienced well if Darren brown can do
59:27 – 59:32 it you can bet that military and the
59:30 – 59:34 Intel can do it in fact let me plug a
59:32 – 59:35 book that just came out by Joseph
59:34 – 59:38 Ferrell I haven’t read it yet but it’s
59:35 – 59:41 supposed to be great it’s all about mind
59:38 – 59:42 control his latest book is about these
59:41 – 59:45 things we’re talking about now but
59:42 – 59:47 anyway go on here’s the distinction I
59:45 – 59:50 guess I’d make with that is that it’s
59:47 – 59:52 one thing to say that some person is
59:50 – 59:55 tricked into doing it and they’re still
59:52 – 59:58 alive I mean because as we just touched
59:55 – 60:01 on earlier you know if you go over and
59:58 – 60:05 the astral travel kind of out of body
60:01 – 60:07 experience people they’ll they’ll tell
60:05 – 60:09 you this stuff happens they’ll tell you
60:07 – 60:12 people who leave their body and for some
60:09 – 60:15 way or for sometime can’t get back into
60:12 – 60:19 their body well again that suggests a
60:15 – 60:21 physical property to this consciousness
60:19 – 60:23 that somehow stays together is somehow
60:21 – 60:25 leaving innocent somehow
60:23 – 60:27 kind of coming back and they’ll also
60:25 – 60:29 tell you about something called step ins
60:27 – 60:31 you know where some other consciousness
60:29 – 60:33 yes or whatever you want to call this is
60:31 – 60:36 old the ancient Egyptians had a whole
60:33 – 60:42 technology extremely details about this
60:36 – 60:45 so my point is are we not fully fully
60:42 – 60:48 embracing that possibility when we look
60:45 – 60:51 at ET when these accounts are right in
60:48 – 60:53 our face and we’re kind of seeing them
60:51 – 60:55 for something other than what they are
60:53 – 60:57 so here’s the last data point and then
60:55 – 60:59 we’ll talk about Peter lavinda
60:57 – 61:00 and that’s Rick Strassman it’s a data
60:59 – 61:03 point we’ve already talked about so Rick
61:00 – 61:06 Strassman is at the University of New
61:03 – 61:07 Mexico he gets the go-ahead to study DMT
61:06 – 61:10 in these patients he gives these
61:07 – 61:12 patients DMT and bam they show up in
61:10 – 61:15 this alternative dimension and there is
61:12 – 61:18 ET and saying hey glad you’re here we’ve
61:15 – 61:21 been waiting for you so now what what we
61:18 – 61:23 have to pull that back into the the
61:21 – 61:25 Darren brown and the cat and the shaman
61:23 – 61:27 and the head transplant and we have to
61:25 – 61:30 put all these data points together and
61:27 – 61:32 say what the hell are we talking about
61:30 – 61:35 in that with this consciousness in what
61:32 – 61:37 ways is it being manipulated in what
61:35 – 61:41 ways is it being mechanized is it being
61:37 – 61:44 programmed is it being manipulated what
61:41 – 61:45 is the flexibility of it all these
61:44 – 61:48 things I think need to be re-examined
61:45 – 61:51 and re-examined in a way that I think
61:48 – 61:56 we’re intentionally being misdirected
61:51 – 61:58 away from when we look at the current
61:56 – 62:04 disclosure as it is that’s coming out
61:58 – 62:07 with ET right so what’s the question
62:04 – 62:10 here sorry
62:07 – 62:13 so Levin does up to his eyeballs in it
62:10 – 62:16 anyone is talking about ET you know it
62:13 – 62:18 blows me away it’s just human nature
62:16 – 62:20 it’s this is the big boy discussion and
62:18 – 62:22 out in the Kitty room they’re talking
62:20 – 62:25 about UFOs because there’s a lot of
62:22 – 62:28 people in the Kitty room who will accept
62:25 – 62:30 UFOs but won’t accept DT though yeah I
62:28 – 62:33 know you eat UFOs but no there’s nothing
62:30 – 62:35 then if they get to et though then well
62:33 – 62:36 okay I’ll accept DT but I won’t accept
62:35 – 62:39 abduction
62:36 – 62:41 like that can’t be that’s ridiculous
62:39 – 62:43 that can’t be happening well that again
62:41 – 62:48 you’re at the kiddie table if you think
62:43 – 62:51 that Thirsty’s craft that are in our
62:48 – 62:53 space interacting with us and that
62:51 – 62:56 they’re piloted and do you think that
62:53 – 62:59 you can just step over all the evidence
62:56 – 63:01 that we’ve had this serious engagement
62:59 – 63:05 with them at the highest levels of our
63:01 – 63:07 government and for the longest time then
63:05 – 63:11 you’re just there at the kiddie table so
63:07 – 63:14 anyone who doesn’t lead with that or
63:11 – 63:17 doesn’t quickly go there the way that
63:14 – 63:20 Peter Levin des and Tom DeLonge don’t
63:17 – 63:23 seem to want to go there they want to
63:20 – 63:24 kind of chunk it down into it’s just
63:23 – 63:28 that we saw this stuff on the radar
63:24 – 63:32 isn’t that cool it’s like what are you
63:28 – 63:36 trying to feed me here why is the story
63:32 – 63:39 being dumbed down by the way there’s
63:36 – 63:42 people who accept aliens but not UFOs so
63:39 – 63:45 the other way around works too for that
63:42 – 63:47 well it’s in no way they say oh the
63:45 – 63:49 universe is teeming with life’s but then
63:47 – 63:51 you confront them in UFOs and they say
63:49 – 63:52 no no they could never get here and blah
63:51 – 63:57 blah but yeah right
63:52 – 63:59 but anyway LaVonda so have you read this
63:57 – 64:03 book I mean he entertains many different
63:59 – 64:06 aspects the threat trilogy the first one
64:03 – 64:09 that come out is God’s there he ties it
64:06 – 64:11 into stuff we touched already you know
64:09 – 64:14 discussions but he looks at the
64:11 – 64:16 mythological aspect an ancient aspect
64:14 – 64:19 and all that not ancient aliens but like
64:16 – 64:23 Cora go cold son many different things
64:19 – 64:25 he also discusses the AI and could it be
64:23 – 64:27 creatures whatever and the creature
64:25 – 64:29 thing there’s a case to be made for that
64:27 – 64:32 I’ll get back to that but then he’s
64:29 – 64:37 having this book coming out now which is
64:32 – 64:40 called man and that’s about technology
64:37 – 64:43 and more contemporary times and the
64:40 – 64:45 third one is called wharfs I’m not sure
64:43 – 64:48 what that will deal with so he needs
64:45 – 64:50 they need three thick books to try to
64:48 – 64:53 touch the philosophical aspect
64:50 – 64:56 of all this so I won’t say there are key
64:53 – 64:59 detailing anything you are probably
64:56 – 65:02 referring to the you know the the little
64:59 – 65:04 attempts are made to disclose tough you
65:02 – 65:07 know Louie Alessandro and all that stuff
65:04 – 65:10 and they’re not even suggesting any
65:07 – 65:15 fixed thing either either they’re just
65:10 – 65:17 saying like this is a real phenomenon
65:15 – 65:20 classified or not classified doesn’t
65:17 – 65:21 matter here it is it’s something real we
65:20 – 65:23 have to relate to it we have to
65:21 – 65:27 understand it I don’t see what the
65:23 – 65:30 problem with that is I feel like many
65:27 – 65:32 people who criticize it or angry because
65:30 – 65:33 they’re not offering a big answer that
65:32 – 65:36 they’re entertaining all these different
65:33 – 65:39 notion as if they’re really you know
65:36 – 65:41 what a part of me is inclined to believe
65:39 – 65:43 that even the government’s may be
65:41 – 65:45 clueless about what’s really going on
65:43 – 65:48 and they may think they know or they may
65:45 – 65:50 know parts of it and they certainly know
65:48 – 65:52 more than I mean what I do know or I
65:50 – 65:56 don’t know they’re not disclosing so we
65:52 – 65:58 agree about that but the stuff that’s
65:56 – 66:01 beyond us and it’s not us because I
65:58 – 66:04 think actually I think most of the UFO
66:01 – 66:07 and abduction things are very
66:04 – 66:10 terrestrial yes you know that’s why when
66:07 – 66:14 you say most of his terrestrial yeah
66:10 – 66:18 again aren’t you stepping over just a
66:14 – 66:22 ton of data I mean even the the remote
66:18 – 66:26 viewers when they were asked at s RI to
66:22 – 66:28 go and look they you know the help put
66:26 – 66:31 off and his whole crew and all those
66:28 – 66:33 guys I mean they went and remote viewed
66:31 – 66:35 the moon and they said yeah there’s et
66:33 – 66:36 and they reviewed the remote viewed the
66:35 – 66:38 back side of the moon and they said wow
66:36 – 66:40 there’s all this stuff going on why
66:38 – 66:42 would you think they’re terrestrial
66:40 – 66:44 since we there seems to be the story the
66:42 – 66:47 myth passed down through all these
66:44 – 66:50 cultures is that these beings are
66:47 – 66:51 reporting li coming from the stars why
66:50 – 66:53 do we discount that
66:51 – 66:57 why do you discount them well I’m not
66:53 – 67:02 exactly discounting that there may be
66:57 – 67:04 creatures from the stars but most of the
67:02 – 67:07 stuff that report
67:04 – 67:09 I mean we know there is a classified
67:07 – 67:13 space program I mean it’s not a
67:09 – 67:16 discussion so why is it that always in
67:13 – 67:21 this field it’s always the aliens if we
67:16 – 67:23 have vehicles that we are using however
67:21 – 67:25 advanced error I mean just you know
67:23 – 67:28 stuff they’re using now the had like
67:25 – 67:31 20-30 years ago but then it was
67:28 – 67:33 classified so there is always going to
67:31 – 67:35 be classified stuff but when they are
67:33 – 67:38 playing along with that why is that
67:35 – 67:39 never the explanation why is that never
67:38 – 67:41 the answer
67:39 – 67:43 why is it always a lien it looks to me
67:41 – 67:45 that the alien thing is created by the
67:43 – 67:48 military intelligence complex and you
67:45 – 67:51 see Pharrell’s great book about Roswell
67:48 – 67:53 is is a case for that I don’t think that
67:51 – 67:57 holds up I mean every account I’ve heard
67:53 – 67:60 of that kind of black-budget off planet
67:57 – 68:02 technology always traces back to aliens
67:60 – 68:04 even the people that trace it back to
68:02 – 68:06 the Third Reich and the Nazis and all
68:04 – 68:09 that kind of stuff it was alien inspired
68:06 – 68:11 so it’s like now yeah but there’s no
68:09 – 68:14 data for that yeah that that came from
68:11 – 68:16 this there’s no data there’s no data to
68:14 – 68:20 contradict it either I mean yes there is
68:16 – 68:23 no no there is no no I beg to differ
68:20 – 68:28 there is a human trace of terrestrial
68:23 – 68:31 int technology starting with the 20s and
68:28 – 68:33 the 30s that you can make a case for a
68:31 – 68:36 natural human development in technology
68:33 – 68:38 technology reaching stuff like
68:36 – 68:40 anti-gravity I’m not saying necessarily
68:38 – 68:42 offworld that they’re going to Sirius
68:40 – 68:45 and Orion but at least that they can
68:42 – 68:47 reach Moss Moss on the moon and at least
68:45 – 68:50 play around in our atmosphere there’s a
68:47 – 68:52 terrestrial trace technological natural
68:50 – 68:55 development you can point to you don’t
68:52 – 68:57 need aliens for that and I don’t hate to
68:55 – 69:00 sound like a skeptic we have to we can’t
68:57 – 69:04 just disregard their kind of tools
69:00 – 69:07 either and so if you don’t need aliens
69:04 – 69:09 you know Occam’s razor then it doesn’t
69:07 – 69:13 mean there’s no aliens but it also means
69:09 – 69:15 that you can’t rush to you can discount
69:13 – 69:18 the the terrestrial explanation now the
69:15 – 69:21 fact that people believe it
69:18 – 69:23 was seeded from aliens that’s completely
69:21 – 69:26 void when it comes to evidence because
69:23 – 69:29 oh if you if you trace those stories
69:26 – 69:32 you’ll see that it always and up with
69:29 – 69:34 propaganda sources like that the Nazis
69:32 – 69:37 had that this technology is a matter of
69:34 – 69:40 or at least there’s traces of their
69:37 – 69:42 having played around with the virgin
69:40 – 69:45 versions of this is a matter of fact but
69:42 – 69:47 that they get got it from aliens is a
69:45 – 69:50 matter of propaganda it can be traced to
69:47 – 69:53 neo-nazi sources and it can be traced to
69:50 – 69:56 Intel sources and for us big point in
69:53 – 69:59 his Roswell book is that and they do
69:56 – 70:02 this all the time by the way is that if
69:59 – 70:05 you have a phenomenon that you want to
70:02 – 70:10 conceal the smart way to go about it is
70:05 – 70:12 to create dualism and antagonism you
70:10 – 70:17 know before you even go there is it
70:12 – 70:20 isn’t all this put to bed with December
70:17 – 70:24 2017 and the disclosure that we’re
70:20 – 70:26 talking about with Peter Levin de and
70:24 – 70:28 the end no because they don’t offer
70:26 – 70:30 explanations they just say this thing is
70:28 – 70:32 real and we want to find out about it
70:30 – 70:35 it’s time to grow up
70:32 – 70:37 deal with it you know they’re like I
70:35 – 70:41 said in the video so you’re gonna pack
70:37 – 70:44 every sighting you’re gonna pack no no
70:41 – 70:46 that really well if you see that’s the
70:44 – 70:48 problem I think if you’re not gonna pack
70:46 – 70:51 everything back into there if you’re not
70:48 – 70:54 gonna pack the Phoenix lights if you’re
70:51 – 70:58 not going to pack Roswell and Rendlesham
70:54 – 70:60 forest and the thousands and thousands
70:58 – 71:03 of well documented sightings and all the
70:60 – 71:04 sightings over the nuclear sites and and
71:03 – 71:07 all those accounts unless you’re gonna
71:04 – 71:10 pack all of those back into a
71:07 – 71:13 terrestrial explanation then I think
71:10 – 71:16 your Occam’s razor thing cuts the other
71:13 – 71:18 way okay let me introduce a completely
71:16 – 71:21 different viewpoint down have you seen
71:18 – 71:24 David’s readers and evidence the case
71:21 – 71:26 for NASA UFOs no but I’ve kind of
71:24 – 71:28 brushed against it well you should have
71:26 – 71:30 you need to check it out I can send you
71:28 – 71:32 the links it’s into it’s two episodes or
71:30 – 71:36 I should share part one
71:32 – 71:39 – both of them are 2 hours he a he
71:36 – 71:42 explains how this technology actually is
71:39 – 71:43 feasible so that’s interesting but
71:42 – 71:46 that’s not the point the point is the
71:43 – 71:48 food that she’s using it’s incredibly
71:46 – 71:50 mind-blowing because when you see and
71:48 – 71:52 now we’re not we’re not talking about
71:50 – 71:56 stuff in our atmosphere talk about stuff
71:52 – 71:60 right outside the globe beyond our skies
71:56 – 72:03 but still close to the earth you know
71:60 – 72:06 straight over the stratosphere and
72:03 – 72:10 between here and the moon there’s so
72:06 – 72:12 much stuff going on there that NASA has
72:10 – 72:15 on tape and you know just because this
72:12 – 72:18 was leaked they put in a new rule
72:15 – 72:20 because it was NASA TV and it was back
72:18 – 72:22 in a day and because of this stuff they
72:20 – 72:24 put in a new rule that says it’s going
72:22 – 72:27 to be 15 minutes delay they stopped
72:24 – 72:29 sending direct after this but when you
72:27 – 72:30 watch that it’s like watching in a
72:29 – 72:32 microscope
72:30 – 72:34 it’s like watching creatures in a sea
72:32 – 72:36 it’s like it’s teeming with life forms
72:34 – 72:39 and these looks like life forms they
72:36 – 72:41 don’t look like technology at all they
72:39 – 72:43 all look like grappa stones you know
72:41 – 72:46 pac-man you know they’re and they’re
72:43 – 72:49 vibrating and you just watch the stuff
72:46 – 72:51 and see its explanations it’s amazing
72:49 – 72:54 stuff and you can’t get go away from
72:51 – 72:57 there you know even if they even if we
72:54 – 72:60 had our white space program and
72:57 – 73:02 everybody in earth was slaving to you
72:60 – 73:04 know make them produce this we couldn’t
73:02 – 73:08 get to that level thousands and
73:04 – 73:10 thousands all the time and I saw huge
73:08 – 73:14 some of them they’re so big it’s
73:10 – 73:18 infallible so we have to recognize that
73:14 – 73:22 the probably is creatures different life
73:18 – 73:25 forms that are exist in the universe
73:22 – 73:27 maybe they’re flying in space whatever
73:25 – 73:30 maybe there there are fissures in space
73:27 – 73:33 we have to recognize that there may be
73:30 – 73:35 creatures life forms that are operating
73:33 – 73:39 beyond our senses that we can relate to
73:35 – 73:42 when we tweak and improve our technology
73:39 – 73:44 to uncover what’s going on in these
73:42 – 73:45 especially the electromagnetic fields
73:44 – 73:47 that
73:45 – 73:51 we can sense directly we may have to
73:47 – 73:55 recognize that there are even physical
73:51 – 73:58 stuff I mean machines coming from other
73:55 – 74:01 places in the university I mean I can’t
73:58 – 74:04 reject it and we may also recognize that
74:01 – 74:06 there are great kind of consciousnesses
74:04 – 74:08 that can manifest through this Asante to
74:06 – 74:11 say a dimensional creature and we have
74:08 – 74:15 to recognize that we are playing around
74:11 – 74:18 with stuff in on earth and maybe beyond
74:15 – 74:21 so there is a complex mix of different
74:18 – 74:23 phenomenons that may be going on so
74:21 – 74:28 that’s why you can’t explain everything
74:23 – 74:30 as one thing I reject that but I think
74:28 – 74:32 most of the traditional UFO sites I
74:30 – 74:34 didn’t say encounters I didn’t say
74:32 – 74:38 abductions are saying when we see
74:34 – 74:41 technology apparently in the sky it it
74:38 – 74:43 usually I think that’s that’s human but
74:41 – 74:45 again the number it’s a numbers game and
74:43 – 74:47 ballet has proven a long time ago that
74:45 – 74:51 everything can’t be alien and everything
74:47 – 74:53 can’t be human so so I’m entertaining
74:51 – 74:55 the notion but I have to start with so
74:53 – 74:59 Marin and and the leap for me is to
74:55 – 75:05 accept and have a paradigm where I’m
74:59 – 75:08 operating as if there are grace or these
75:05 – 75:12 what they called reptiles yeah or all
75:08 – 75:15 those memes to me look more like modern
75:12 – 75:18 myths modern fairy tales disinfo or mace
75:15 – 75:21 info my point is I think consciousness
75:18 – 75:23 is manipulating matter and technology I
75:21 – 75:25 think it’s the and these incredible
75:23 – 75:27 so-called aliens these very advanced
75:25 – 75:32 beings that that are playing with us as
75:27 – 75:34 we are ants and they are humans I think
75:32 – 75:37 it’s much more likely that we’re talking
75:34 – 75:41 about some kind of consciousness that
75:37 – 75:42 2:02 them we are ants purely
75:41 – 75:44 philosophically I’m entertaining this
75:42 – 75:48 I’m not saying I insist that’s how it is
75:44 – 75:50 but I think that’s more likely than some
75:48 – 75:53 kind of machine who became sentient and
75:50 – 75:55 then turned on us I don’t disagree with
75:53 – 75:58 that necessarily in a lot of ways that
75:55 – 76:00 just rings very very true to me
75:58 – 76:03 just say that the thing I would leave
76:00 – 76:06 open is the possibility that that
76:03 – 76:10 advancement to that other level may
76:06 – 76:14 include aspects of technology that we
76:10 – 76:17 haven’t fully taken in so AI might be
76:14 – 76:18 part of that advancement in the same way
76:17 – 76:21 you know there’s one other thing we have
76:18 – 76:23 to talk about because the champ in chess
76:21 – 76:26 is still right there in Norway you know
76:23 – 76:30 Magnus and I think anyone who needs
76:26 – 76:32 favourite sevens yes yes and an awesome
76:30 – 76:34 guy you know I mean such a great person
76:32 – 76:36 to carry that mantle forward because he
76:34 – 76:39 just seems and I watched a great
76:36 – 76:41 biography on him and I think his dad
76:39 – 76:43 deserves a lot of credit for realizing
76:41 – 76:45 that he had this savant but developing
76:43 – 76:49 him as a full person rather than that
76:45 – 76:51 but he’s a marvelous ambassador for a
76:49 – 76:55 game that in my lifetime has been
76:51 – 76:58 reduced to checkers you know yeah
76:55 – 77:00 because when I was a kid it was the true
76:58 – 77:02 measure of intelligence and don’t worry
77:00 – 77:05 about computers computers could never
77:02 – 77:09 you know kind of and now it’s like a
77:05 – 77:12 joke and then the joke is doubled when
77:09 – 77:14 alpha zero comes along and yeah but no
77:12 – 77:15 you sound like a skeptic because they
77:14 – 77:17 believe that the only form of
77:15 – 77:20 intelligence is this kind of
77:17 – 77:22 intelligence and and who yeah of course
77:20 – 77:25 they can do calculations better than us
77:22 – 77:28 here’s my point if we’re both heading
77:25 – 77:34 towards agreement that we may look more
77:28 – 77:38 like ants than like gods in the overall
77:34 – 77:41 scheme of things then maybe we have to
77:38 – 77:44 accept the possibility that the ones
77:41 – 77:47 higher than us have mastered the
77:44 – 77:50 interface to technology far more
77:47 – 77:52 smoothly than we have and whatever their
77:50 – 77:54 relationship is with consciousness soul
77:52 – 77:56 all the rest of that we’ll leave that as
77:54 – 77:58 a big question mark but maybe they’ve
77:56 – 78:01 figured out the relationship between
77:58 – 78:02 technology and mass because we seem to
78:01 – 78:04 be on the verge of that there’s no
78:02 – 78:06 question yeah we already are with
78:04 – 78:08 alright with our iPhone and the rest of
78:06 – 78:11 that so you know where that’s going to
78:08 – 78:11 be in a 20 30 40 years doesn’t take too
78:11 – 78:13 much of
78:11 – 78:18 extrapolation so I’ll just leave it at
78:13 – 78:20 that oh okay well who’s to say
78:18 – 78:23 technology isn’t just a transitionary
78:20 – 78:25 face in evolution good point
78:23 – 78:27 look look you know we talked about
78:25 – 78:29 reincarnation right and if we open to
78:27 – 78:32 that phenomenon because all religions
78:29 – 78:37 and all original religions say it
78:32 – 78:40 science is indicating it now let’s say
78:37 – 78:42 it’s true then you also have to
78:40 – 78:45 entertain another notion that follows
78:42 – 78:46 that and which is also going back all
78:45 – 78:50 over the world in all cultures and
78:46 – 78:54 that’s that the human vehicle it’s not
78:50 – 78:56 like the human physical human is really
78:54 – 78:59 the development thing here they say that
78:56 – 79:03 our bodies our life on Earth is like a
78:59 – 79:06 school earth is a school and our bodies
79:03 – 79:09 a lifetime is like being in a cloth so
79:06 – 79:12 the real development is these souls or
79:09 – 79:15 these eyes these meece who go through
79:12 – 79:18 this reincarnation cycle and eventually
79:15 – 79:21 transcends the need to manifest here in
79:18 – 79:23 a body that’s the whole rationale in
79:21 – 79:25 many religions like spirituality is like
79:23 – 79:27 Buddhism are they saying break out of
79:25 – 79:29 this cycle it’s not that we want to
79:27 – 79:32 reconnect is that we have we are we are
79:29 – 79:35 heading for greater kinds of existence
79:32 – 79:39 so if that is true then it’s remember in
79:35 – 79:40 a school the school doesn’t move our
79:39 – 79:43 children school is still a children
79:40 – 79:45 school 20 years 30 years from when you
79:43 – 79:48 graduated it’s still there
79:45 – 79:51 it’s that pupils who’s moving on it’s
79:48 – 79:53 those that it’s there who are developing
79:51 – 79:57 and in this case in this analogy that’s
79:53 – 79:60 the souls so maybe we can become
79:57 – 80:03 creatures like that maybe we can become
79:60 – 80:05 extremely advanced creatures and if we
80:03 – 80:07 do that if we go through all the
80:05 – 80:11 necessary experience we have to have in
80:07 – 80:14 this existence this where existence
80:11 – 80:16 where we find ourselves in if we are God
80:14 – 80:19 experiencing itself through all these
80:16 – 80:22 different forms then in order to develop
80:19 – 80:25 we have to you know make
80:22 – 80:26 you have to take the degrees and we’re
80:25 – 80:29 going to be tested and we have to prove
80:26 – 80:33 ourselves and I believe that you can’t
80:29 – 80:35 be like a mass murdering psychopath and
80:33 – 80:39 become like extremely advanced I think
80:35 – 80:43 with extremely advanced development also
80:39 – 80:47 comes certain traits that make sure that
80:43 – 80:48 the person won’t step on the until if
80:47 – 80:51 you see what I mean and if they
80:48 – 80:55 interfere it’s for reasons we can’t
80:51 – 80:59 begin to understand but probably has
80:55 – 81:02 some kind of higher rationale to it
80:59 – 81:03 which isn’t and I mean this is in line
81:02 – 81:05 with what Peter levander says too he
81:03 – 81:08 says even if they appear to be sinister
81:05 – 81:10 we can’t know the motives or you know
81:08 – 81:11 what’s what they are why they are doing
81:10 – 81:14 what they are doing
81:11 – 81:17 because one thing we know Alex and that
81:14 – 81:21 is that if something whatever it is
81:17 – 81:24 consciousness machine aliens whatever he
81:21 – 81:27 or the humans if they are more advanced
81:24 – 81:30 than us which they are if they exist
81:27 – 81:33 which they do we just don’t know exactly
81:30 – 81:36 how it won’t store who’s existing what
81:33 – 81:37 what it is but we know the phenomenon is
81:36 – 81:40 there and it’s real and it’s more
81:37 – 81:43 advanced then the he could they could
81:40 – 81:45 finish yourself in an instant if they
81:43 – 81:47 wanted they could enslave us tomorrow if
81:45 – 81:49 they wanted they could evaporate us they
81:47 – 81:53 could terraform the planet they could do
81:49 – 81:56 all those dark fantasies that we in a
81:53 – 82:01 very human condition are projecting upon
81:56 – 82:03 them and they haven’t done it why well
82:01 – 82:05 my friend you’re on fire there at the
82:03 – 82:08 end I really like the way you’re putting
82:05 – 82:09 some of those things together and some
82:08 – 82:11 of the questions you’re pulling out
82:09 – 82:14 there or really I think profound let me
82:11 – 82:17 ask you this how do you plan to explore
82:14 – 82:20 those on forum borealis where are you
82:17 – 82:23 heading in the next year with some of
82:20 – 82:25 those topics we’ve done yeah we might
82:23 – 82:27 have different serious and I have to
82:25 – 82:28 give attention to different areas so for
82:27 – 82:32 the next year we’re going to do a lot of
82:28 – 82:33 spirituality deep spirituality and not
82:32 – 82:35 the run-of-the-mill it’s very hard to
82:33 – 82:36 get people on when
82:35 – 82:38 haven’t done so much yet so have to
82:36 – 82:40 build that slowly up because they get
82:38 – 82:42 terrified when they see some stuff we’ve
82:40 – 82:45 done and I think that we’ll lose
82:42 – 82:47 credibility they come on you probably
82:45 – 82:50 know that phenomenon so you have to
82:47 – 82:52 build the credibility slowly you have to
82:50 – 82:54 get the right people on and you have to
82:52 – 82:55 show them those with it but if we manage
82:54 – 82:58 that we’re going to get some great
82:55 – 82:60 people or next year and that some of
82:58 – 83:03 that stuff you know there’s no soil or
82:60 – 83:05 sea right so we will touch some of that
83:03 – 83:06 stuff I’ll also do a lot of politics so
83:05 – 83:09 I’m gonna go in a completely different
83:06 – 83:11 direction there too and it’s the same
83:09 – 83:13 problem there oh I can’t go on look
83:11 – 83:16 they’re having all these weird stuff
83:13 – 83:19 things so I have to build credibility
83:16 – 83:21 there to have a great program about
83:19 – 83:24 Syria coming up so I’m gonna stay with
83:21 – 83:27 one foot in the objective social reality
83:24 – 83:30 and then I’m gonna have one foot in you
83:27 – 83:32 know in the seventh heaven but we will
83:30 – 83:35 also continue with our classified space
83:32 – 83:37 program serious gonna have Mike the rat
83:35 – 83:38 on always keep bragging about him he’s
83:37 – 83:39 great you should probably talk with him
83:38 – 83:42 yourself
83:39 – 83:45 so so we but I won’t do so much you then
83:42 – 83:47 a pure youthful thing I will do I told
83:45 – 83:49 you about its the Hester doll phenomenon
83:47 – 83:50 and it’s so incredibly interesting to
83:49 – 83:53 see how that was covered in the
83:50 – 83:55 mainstream because they can’t deny it up
83:53 – 83:58 here everybody knows it’s a real thing
83:55 – 83:59 you have people camping there everybody
83:58 – 84:01 either have camera there are 24 hours
83:59 – 84:04 there’s so much footage out there from
84:01 – 84:07 it but I remember one of the mainstream
84:04 – 84:11 newspapers called VG a couple of years
84:07 – 84:16 ago came out with headlines now the UFO
84:11 – 84:19 riddle is cracked really okay so I look
84:16 – 84:21 up okay so yeah now we know everything
84:19 – 84:25 okay what no it’s an energy phenomenon
84:21 – 84:27 and it may actually be the key to you
84:25 – 84:30 know we can exploit it we can take
84:27 – 84:31 advantage of this maybe it can be key to
84:30 – 84:35 future energy that we haven’t seen yet
84:31 – 84:37 and we can tap into it and we can use it
84:35 – 84:38 and it was this incredible stupid
84:37 – 84:40 materialists take on it but the big
84:38 – 84:43 interesting thing was that they didn’t
84:40 – 84:45 real explain anything they just they
84:43 – 84:46 just replaced one world one riddle with
84:45 – 84:48 another
84:46 – 84:50 you know what I mean these are
84:48 – 84:52 journalists the materialist and people
84:50 – 84:54 worry oh okay now we know people just
84:52 – 84:55 need meap’s that’s it and I don’t okay
84:54 – 84:59 move on
84:55 – 84:60 so yeah they know it’s energy but they
84:59 – 85:04 still don’t know shit
84:60 – 85:06 so they haven’t proven that it’s
85:04 – 85:09 spacecrafts because these things may not
85:06 – 85:11 be so these may just be look if we’re
85:09 – 85:14 living in a universe that has so many
85:11 – 85:17 dimensions and aspects and all stuff
85:14 – 85:21 it’s it’s nothing either all right is in
85:17 – 85:24 both and and if we like going here with
85:21 – 85:26 our heads up in our asses everything
85:24 – 85:28 above our heads will look like yeah they
85:26 – 85:32 will be called UFO so you I actually
85:28 – 85:34 enjoy the new term it’s not that new no
85:32 – 85:36 but and what what is it unexplained
85:34 – 85:38 aerial phenomenon ISM much better term
85:36 – 85:40 it’s a much better term unidentified
85:38 – 85:43 flying object is a military term and is
85:40 – 85:47 a very materialist term object that
85:43 – 85:48 already there they say it’s physical no
85:47 – 85:50 not always
85:48 – 85:52 sometimes it’s energy sometimes it’s to
85:50 – 85:56 do with consciousness like the spiritual
85:52 – 85:58 traditions and it’s so suspicious that
85:56 – 85:59 all these people have encounters that
85:58 – 86:02 it’s always the spiritual component
85:59 – 86:05 component to it and then you have to go
86:02 – 86:08 back to the egg and a chicken right and
86:05 – 86:11 you you are entertaining maybe it’s the
86:08 – 86:12 machines creating the consciousness
86:11 – 86:13 effects what if it’s the other way
86:12 – 86:16 around
86:13 – 86:18 like I’ve said yeah I’m just saying that
86:16 – 86:20 the Machine yeah yeah what both both has
86:18 – 86:23 to be acknowledged as realities
86:20 – 86:26 potential realities I’m just saying what
86:23 – 86:28 I do really dismiss is that we can
86:26 – 86:32 create life and consciousness from
86:28 – 86:35 putting together so what some boards
86:32 – 86:37 some screws right and I guess my final
86:35 – 86:40 counter to that is I think we get hung
86:37 – 86:43 up on the word create right so if we
86:40 – 86:48 accept the idea that consciousness is
86:43 – 86:53 always is is all there is and the real
86:48 – 86:56 issue is how its manipulated translated
86:53 – 86:58 transformed made more complex or less
86:56 – 86:59 complex again just more different forms
86:58 – 87:02 of manipulation
86:59 – 87:05 then I think it frees us up to consider
87:02 – 87:07 a lot other possibilities yeah I see
87:05 – 87:10 what you mean so we create conditions
87:07 – 87:13 that yes capture that energy field that
87:10 – 87:16 we create conditions that can capture
87:13 – 87:19 certain aspects of consciousness
87:16 – 87:21 manifesting in a certain way what if
87:19 – 87:23 that’s it well then they don’t have an
87:21 – 87:26 oi that’s even more terrible because
87:23 – 87:30 human beings can manipulate that to gain
87:26 – 87:31 stuff yes and tap into our us that’s
87:30 – 87:36 that’s really that’s really a
87:31 – 87:38 Frankenstein 3d 4d 5d because if that’s
87:36 – 87:41 real if that’s possible it’s it’s like
87:38 – 87:43 really dismantling a human being but
87:41 – 87:45 making him stay alive as much as
87:43 – 87:48 possible you take it you remove all his
87:45 – 87:50 senses so he can’t sense anything but
87:48 – 87:53 he’s still alive like if you could put a
87:50 – 87:55 brain and a spine and a heart in some
87:53 – 87:59 kind of laboratory and keeping it alive
87:55 – 88:02 that’s it imagine the poor existence
87:59 – 88:03 right and tap it’s like matrix what did
88:02 – 88:06 i do there they were using the human
88:03 – 88:09 beings as energy sources matrix is as
88:06 – 88:11 you probably know based upon the whole
88:09 – 88:15 thing is ripped from grossest ISM right
88:11 – 88:17 and they didn’t even hide it all through
88:15 – 88:19 the me go through the film but it’s
88:17 – 88:23 great because it’s it’s kind of what
88:19 – 88:26 we’re talking about yeah I can see how
88:23 – 88:28 they can because if there’s no oil money
88:26 – 88:32 because if there’s an oil manifesting on
88:28 – 88:34 me then it can’t be a virgin it has to
88:32 – 88:36 be something that’s already in existence
88:34 – 88:39 somewhere in some dimension in some
88:36 – 88:42 frequency in some level and that’s bad
88:39 – 88:43 too because then you can have creatures
88:42 – 88:46 who’s not supposed to interact with us
88:43 – 88:48 who get access you know The Alchemist
88:46 – 88:50 warned up against this they say the
88:48 – 88:51 difference between alchemy and what
88:50 – 88:53 these people are doing is that the
88:51 – 88:55 alchemists were respecting nature they
88:53 – 88:59 were always imitating nature they try to
88:55 – 89:01 help accelerate natural processes to
88:59 – 89:03 speed it up to transmute it to make it
89:01 – 89:07 higher more potent whatever if it was
89:03 – 89:10 plants minerals human beings biology
89:07 – 89:11 soul whatever but they warned against
89:10 – 89:13 tampering with me
89:11 – 89:15 saying different things that doesn’t
89:13 – 89:17 belong together like putting I had
89:15 – 89:19 therefore monkey on a human body to put
89:17 – 89:21 it like that that’s like mixing the
89:19 – 89:23 different kingdoms and that’s exactly
89:21 – 89:25 what these people are doing it’s in
89:23 – 89:27 terms of ancient in magical
89:25 – 89:30 consciousness what they are doing is
89:27 – 89:32 called black magic maybe the scientists
89:30 – 89:34 I mean and I understand why people would
89:32 – 89:36 go there you know I started out this
89:34 – 89:40 interview with the big question always
89:36 – 89:42 for me You Know Who am I why am I here
89:40 – 89:44 and I also told you that I’m kind of
89:42 – 89:47 influenced by this kind of yogic
89:44 – 89:50 philosophy and the non-dual philosophy
89:47 – 89:51 is well and there’s one teacher that I
89:50 – 89:54 ran across with my friend I always
89:51 – 89:56 mentioned Rick Archer at Buddha at the
89:54 – 89:58 gas pump who does such a fabulous job I
89:56 – 89:60 actually forget which guest this was
89:58 – 90:02 because it’s a shame because he’s really
89:60 – 90:04 one of my favorites but one of his
90:02 – 90:10 taglines for a meditation a mantra
90:04 – 90:14 meditation is Who am I who have I become
90:10 – 90:19 and what I love about that is it
90:14 – 90:23 instantly transfers us from that i mode
90:19 – 90:27 that consciousness being all a part of
90:23 – 90:29 me too who have I become through that
90:27 – 90:31 through the decisions that I’ve made
90:29 – 90:34 through that monkey mind that I have
90:31 – 90:38 that says this is this this is me this
90:34 – 90:41 is who have I become and if I were to be
90:38 – 90:44 able to turn back the clock and rewind
90:41 – 90:48 the kid the film and go all the way back
90:44 – 90:51 who was I at the very beginning before I
90:48 – 90:55 made all those decisions to me there’s
90:51 – 90:58 something in that deep spiritual
90:55 – 91:02 philosophical question that gets closer
90:58 – 91:06 to although an answer to these kind of
91:02 – 91:09 weird black magic eat evil et things
91:06 – 91:11 that I think is satisfying in a way that
91:09 – 91:14 that I don’t quite understand but I know
91:11 – 91:19 that et doesn’t really scare me because
91:14 – 91:21 before I became all of these things I
91:19 – 91:23 was something before that
91:21 – 91:26 yeah you know what I love with the
91:23 – 91:29 skeptical shows because you’ve been
91:26 – 91:31 going so long right longer than most of
91:29 – 91:34 us and you can kind of see your
91:31 – 91:37 development you’ll be taking us on a
91:34 – 91:39 very open and honest journey because
91:37 – 91:42 you’re doing it I mean if it’s a passion
91:39 – 91:44 for you it’s a genuine thing and you can
91:42 – 91:46 see and if you have I mean those who
91:44 – 91:48 have followed that journey maybe it’s
91:46 – 91:49 not that apparent to them because
91:48 – 91:52 they’ve been you know following all the
91:49 – 91:54 steps but if you come in at some point
91:52 – 91:56 in your journey and you start going back
91:54 – 91:59 and listening to the shows and see how
91:56 – 92:03 stuff is developing you can see these
91:59 – 92:09 phases you’re going through in your
92:03 – 92:11 merciless quest I mean I so admire your
92:09 – 92:13 pioneer spirit you really want to go to
92:11 – 92:15 the bottom of stuff and that takes you
92:13 – 92:18 everywhere and anywhere and you have no
92:15 – 92:21 qualms your no taboos you and you are no
92:18 – 92:23 holy cows you have favorites at some
92:21 – 92:25 point and then you completely turn
92:23 – 92:28 around move on but but but it’s all
92:25 – 92:30 about nobodies necessity right and
92:28 – 92:34 that’s your such a gross agnostic man
92:30 – 92:36 and that like I said when you ask me why
92:34 – 92:38 are we here that’s it that’s the trick
92:36 – 92:40 that’s the journey and you are growing
92:38 – 92:43 from it because even though you can’t
92:40 – 92:45 say are now I’m at a place where I’m
92:43 – 92:47 certain and I am or maybe you less
92:45 – 92:49 certain know them but before you begin
92:47 – 92:51 but that’s yeah but that’s that’s a
92:49 – 92:53 cliche right the more I know the less I
92:51 – 92:56 know that’s great it means that you are
92:53 – 92:59 actually it’s still a progress let me
92:56 – 93:02 use a picture an image from spiritual
92:59 – 93:04 from esoteric it’s about you know
93:02 – 93:06 everybody want to reach the Sun and so
93:04 – 93:09 you have to walk up the mountain let’s
93:06 – 93:11 just start with dismissing those poor
93:09 – 93:12 suckers who are lost in the forest they
93:11 – 93:13 don’t even know there is a mountain
93:12 – 93:14 right
93:13 – 93:17 they can’t see the forest for the trees
93:14 – 93:20 but underneath the poor people who are
93:17 – 93:23 lost in the sea that can t that’s insane
93:20 – 93:24 people they are they can’t even relate
93:23 – 93:27 to this reality the ordinary reality
93:24 – 93:31 they are under the water so either
93:27 – 93:33 people are there you know and the people
93:31 – 93:34 in the forest they know that those
93:33 – 93:38 people are under this
93:34 – 93:40 they are lost and they think people
93:38 – 93:43 going up in a mountain or the same ilk
93:40 – 93:46 because the people in the moment or in a
93:43 – 93:49 different reality from the forest people
93:46 – 93:51 and and I can’t distinguish what but
93:49 – 93:53 it’s all in you know if you can’t
93:51 – 93:55 survive if you can’t cope in this world
93:53 – 93:58 then you probably are another water but
93:55 – 94:00 anyway enough about that you hear about
93:58 – 94:03 this mountain it can bring you to the
94:00 – 94:05 Sun and eventually you find the mountain
94:03 – 94:08 and you start climbing remember and
94:05 – 94:10 people tend to forget this there are a
94:08 – 94:13 million paths of that mountain when you
94:10 – 94:15 wait at the foot of the mountain and as
94:13 – 94:18 so yeah so pasa better than others ohm
94:15 – 94:21 lead nowhere so you know lead to you
94:18 – 94:24 fall down some are very long and
94:21 – 94:28 tiresome and boring but the higher up
94:24 – 94:31 you come the more the path dwindle into
94:28 – 94:34 fewer eventually there’s just four paths
94:31 – 94:37 but the higher optical you more you can
94:34 – 94:39 see what you’ve if you if you keep
94:37 – 94:41 looking at the Sun you seem like you
94:39 – 94:43 never clear getting closer right but if
94:41 – 94:46 you turn around and see where you begun
94:43 – 94:48 from you can easily get that great
94:46 – 94:50 survey a great picture and we can we can
94:48 – 94:52 still relate to the forest reality
94:50 – 94:55 because we it’s still in our view even
94:52 – 94:56 though we’re up in the mountain so we we
94:55 – 94:58 are mastering all these different
94:56 – 95:00 realities that’s what’s happening when
94:58 – 95:04 we go on this quest and the higher up
95:00 – 95:06 you come the more you can dismiss of
95:04 – 95:08 course the different paws and and the
95:06 – 95:12 more you can see the similarities and
95:08 – 95:16 see through apparent contradictions are
95:12 – 95:18 not really real it’s just it’s just four
95:16 – 95:20 different angles at the end and if you
95:18 – 95:23 ever get to the top of the mountain or
95:20 – 95:26 up mountain there may be more mountains
95:23 – 95:28 further ahead you fused all those
95:26 – 95:30 different viewpoints at least to warn
95:28 – 95:33 you’re still not at the Sun though
95:30 – 95:36 you’re closer to the Sun but you have a
95:33 – 95:38 much more clearer view and that for the
95:36 – 95:40 people and you steel yourself you still
95:38 – 95:43 have this quest but for the people in
95:40 – 95:48 the forest you’re a good and good and
95:43 – 95:50 good hood is what I aspire to and
95:48 – 95:53 good mood is what I think we’re destined
95:50 – 95:57 to okay and I think eventually we’ll
95:53 – 96:00 just not manifest us monkeys anymore if
95:57 – 96:02 we can get there that is such an awesome
96:00 – 96:08 story
96:02 – 96:10 Norwegians man your credit entire loser
96:08 – 96:16 people it’s just not fair man you just
96:10 – 96:18 tuned in well I’m glad it resonate that
96:16 – 96:31 it seems your Greeks are getting it too
96:18 – 96:35 so I really do love the way that your
96:31 – 96:37 show dives deep and I felt like the last
96:35 – 96:39 time we spoke we did a good job but we
96:37 – 96:42 scratched the surface and in a lot of
96:39 – 96:45 ways you’re kind of motivating me to go
96:42 – 96:47 forward in a new way a land that is 12
96:45 – 96:50 really dig deep because I think that’s
96:47 – 96:52 where I need to go more and more in the
96:50 – 96:55 future because I’m less and less
96:52 – 96:59 satisfied by you know just
96:55 – 97:00 deconstructing some silly materialist
96:59 – 97:02 atheist I don’t care what kind of
97:00 – 97:05 credentials he has if people don’t know
97:02 – 97:09 at this point that those fools are just
97:05 – 97:11 can be exposed in a 45-minute interview
97:09 – 97:13 like I’ve done well then I don’t need to
97:11 – 97:15 prove that anymore no you can’t do any
97:13 – 97:18 more for them yeah you’ve done so much
97:15 – 97:20 in that area already I’ve totally
97:18 – 97:25 supported but if you’re gonna adopt that
97:20 – 97:27 model I suggest that you try you know
97:25 – 97:29 you can release three-hour shows but you
97:27 – 97:32 can authorize shopping them up because
97:29 – 97:36 it’s not about it’s not about how much
97:32 – 97:38 time a program Lost’s it’s about the
97:36 – 97:40 conversation when it’s happening you
97:38 – 97:43 know you know we’ve been going for one
97:40 – 97:46 and a half hour right now if we were
97:43 – 97:48 going half hour and then next week
97:46 – 97:50 another half hour and then next week
97:48 – 97:51 another half hour it would still be one
97:50 – 97:53 and a half hour but it wouldn’t be the
97:51 – 97:56 same thing we didn’t go so deep but if
97:53 – 97:58 we sit down for two hours three hours
97:56 – 97:60 then we go deep and then you can show up
97:58 – 98:01 it up in three different episode if they
97:60 – 98:03 can’t handle
98:01 – 98:06 you know what I mean you know that
98:03 – 98:10 that’s an interesting point I’m almost
98:06 – 98:13 thinking of going another direction with
98:10 – 98:15 the same kind of idea because what I’ve
98:13 – 98:18 encountered also is that I’ll talk to
98:15 – 98:22 someone and because my nature is I’m
98:18 – 98:24 going to find points of you know
98:22 – 98:28 exploration conflict disagreement
98:24 – 98:31 further further grist for the mill I
98:28 – 98:34 think the sceptical name is appropriate
98:31 – 98:36 inquiry to perpetuate doubt I’m always a
98:34 – 98:37 little bit of the skeptic a little bit
98:36 – 98:39 of the doubter I like to kind of
98:37 – 98:41 challenge different ideas where I think
98:39 – 98:43 I’m gonna go is I’m gonna have I’m gonna
98:41 – 98:46 see if I can do this I’m gonna do like
98:43 – 98:48 three-part interviews part one where we
98:46 – 98:50 just talk you know talk about your book
98:48 – 98:52 you know like somebody’s right I have
98:50 – 98:53 this book on my desk this awesome woman
98:52 – 98:55 who’s written this what is it eight
98:53 – 99:00 hundred page book
98:55 – 99:03 600 page book on classical shamanism in
99:00 – 99:07 Ulchi society some serious little
99:03 – 99:07 Peninsula in the remote regions of
99:07 – 99:10 Russia
99:07 – 99:13 you know Siberia god bless her you know
99:10 – 99:15 she now knows more about these people
99:13 – 99:19 than anyone in the world and she’s
99:15 – 99:21 documented it here so what I need to do
99:19 – 99:23 is sit down with her and just get her
99:21 – 99:27 story because it’s an awesome story that
99:23 – 99:31 she did that but that’s part one that’s
99:27 – 99:35 part one part two is okay are you silo
99:31 – 99:38 in this shit silo in this shit of course
99:35 – 99:40 what the fuck are you doing if you think
99:38 – 99:43 you’ve answered some big question cuz
99:40 – 99:45 you’ve recorded this you know you
99:43 – 99:46 haven’t you know you’re not much used
99:45 – 99:48 any episode then you’re gonna have this
99:46 – 99:50 old dusty book it’s gonna be in a lot in
99:48 – 99:52 a library and somebody’s catalog and
99:50 – 99:54 maybe 200 years it from now someone who
99:52 – 99:56 want to know something about these all
99:54 – 99:58 Chi and they’ll look it up and that’s
99:56 – 100:01 great but other than that you got to do
99:58 – 100:04 that so that’s the point number two and
100:01 – 100:07 then part number three is the kind of
100:04 – 100:10 discussion that we just had is where is
100:07 – 100:12 this stuff going free study yeah yeah
100:10 – 100:14 free so we’re in really weird
100:12 – 100:16 we headed where is this stuff going
100:14 – 100:18 who’s trying to bullshit us well you
100:16 – 100:20 know let’s be critical of you know I
100:18 – 100:21 think Peter Levin is bull shitting us
100:20 – 100:23 what do you think no I don’t think he’s
100:21 – 100:25 bullshitting cuz he has to do this and
100:23 – 100:27 this and this you know so that has to be
100:25 – 100:33 in it number two so many guests who
100:27 – 100:35 can’t handle that so I don’t give a shit
100:33 – 100:37 so that’s exactly that’s right there are
100:35 – 100:40 so many guests that can’t handle it so
100:37 – 100:43 what I anticipate is gonna happen is
100:40 – 100:45 probably three out of five four out of
100:43 – 100:48 five of those I’m just gonna it’s going
100:45 – 100:50 to be a one-off right it’s gonna be that
100:48 – 100:53 first interview and I’m gonna be a I
100:50 – 100:55 already get I already get that it just
100:53 – 100:57 amazes me when I talk to people like I
100:55 – 101:01 talked to Colonel John Alexander if you
100:57 – 101:04 know who he is the you know that’s not
101:01 – 101:07 in my book you know it’s like yeah it
101:04 – 101:10 ain’t in your fucking book exactly I’m
101:07 – 101:14 asking you shit that isn’t in your book
101:10 – 101:17 and that’s what I’m going to do well I
101:14 – 101:19 mean it’s a clever format because then
101:17 – 101:21 you can you know okay you were born our
101:19 – 101:23 guy I won’t follow up with you oh you’re
101:21 – 101:26 a you’re a to our guy so I follow up
101:23 – 101:28 here oh you’re finally a three-hour guy
101:26 – 101:30 we need to go all the way that can work
101:28 – 101:32 that camera because you can’t always
101:30 – 101:36 know in advanced who can they follow you
101:32 – 101:38 on olih exactly right mmm that’s pretty
101:36 – 101:42 clever I haven’t even given them that
101:38 – 101:44 option I probably should but I usually
101:42 – 101:47 know the people you know you’re more
101:44 – 101:49 like you investigate the area and then I
101:47 – 101:51 read people think oh you’re so clever
101:49 – 101:53 out because you can always talk with
101:51 – 101:56 your guests at the same level actually
101:53 – 101:58 not always but many times yeah that’s
101:56 – 102:00 because I’m booking them so I’m booking
101:58 – 102:03 people who I already know you know who
102:00 – 102:05 is stuff I’m interested in already right
102:03 – 102:07 I didn’t start that scratch you know
102:05 – 102:09 like George Noory or whoever now I have
102:07 – 102:12 to who’s this okay what’s this book is
102:09 – 102:14 done oh okay although all the talking
102:12 – 102:17 points okay now let’s start into you no
102:14 – 102:20 no this is stuff I’ve been doing for my
102:17 – 102:22 lab oh you’re doing so much preparations
102:20 – 102:24 even you said that yeah
102:22 – 102:27 the preparation is my life
102:24 – 102:29 so when I have that freedom right then
102:27 – 102:30 you know or all conversations can be
102:29 – 102:32 interesting
102:30 – 102:33 well that’s what really shines through I
102:32 – 102:34 mean that’s what makes that’s what makes
102:33 – 102:36 all the difference
102:34 – 102:38 no but I believe in long form you should
102:36 – 102:39 totally go try that out all right I’ll
102:38 – 102:42 try it
102:39 – 102:45 mmm so that’s great yeah you know a bit
102:42 – 102:47 but as for us you know we could go on
102:45 – 102:52 and on and on and we will all have you
102:47 – 102:55 back on my show and then we’ll take this
102:52 – 102:59 further I’m just gonna say to people hey
102:55 – 103:01 to follow this conversation today it
102:59 – 103:03 will be an advantage if you listen to
103:01 – 103:05 the two other shows we did on sceptical
103:03 – 103:07 and they are the one we did on for a
103:05 – 103:09 month because that’s our starting point
103:07 – 103:11 right you know we ought to play around
103:09 – 103:14 with doing it’s something that you and I
103:11 – 103:16 talked about a long time ago and I think
103:14 – 103:20 we should still do it is we should share
103:16 – 103:23 our guest list with each other until we
103:20 – 103:25 find an overlap somebody that you want
103:23 – 103:27 to talk to and I want to talk to and
103:25 – 103:30 then we each ought to talk to them and
103:27 – 103:33 then you want to talk about what we
103:30 – 103:36 talked interesting oh did we talk about
103:33 – 103:38 this sounds like a new idea to me but I
103:36 – 103:41 forgot we talked about sherry you know
103:38 – 103:43 we talked about doing a show kind of
103:41 – 103:45 together and I don’t think we headed
103:43 – 103:47 exactly in that format but I think that
103:45 – 103:50 would be kind of kind of fun
103:47 – 103:53 that’s can be interesting absolutely I’m
103:50 – 103:55 game for that okay the challenge
103:53 – 103:59 probably will be to find the right guest
103:55 – 104:02 but we’ll see no I I think I definitely
103:59 – 104:04 think well I’ve said it I don’t think
104:02 – 104:06 that’ll be hard at all great buddy
104:04 – 104:11 thanks for staying up late yep no I
104:06 – 104:11 always do that so no program okay
104:11 – 104:16 thanks again to Alfred joining me today
104:13 – 104:19 on skeptic oh please do check out his
104:16 – 104:22 excellent podcast at forum borealis and
104:19 – 104:26 of course stay tuned as I said in the
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Whitley Strieber experienced military grade torture long before he encountered the visitors. Alex Tsakiris: [00:029:39] …they intentionally try to create this DID (disassociative identity) situation because without even fully understanding it, they know it creates an entry point, and I …Al Borealis, End of 2020 Show |479|
Al Borealis, this time we actually do an end of year show. Click Here for the Forum Borealis website Click here for Forum Discussion Okay. I know I’m a little late in getting the end of year show out. …Al Borealis, Universal Health Care Trap? |478|
Al Borealis, is universal health care a human right, or entrapment? Click Here for the Forum Borealis website Click here for Forum Discussion That’s a clip from a fund YouTube video titled deep office as Zodiac signs, where they …Greg Moffitt, the Placebo Effect is Consciousness |477|
Greg Moffitt explores the placebo effect and evil science. Click Here for Greg Moffitt’s website Click here for Forum Discussion Alex Tsakiris: [00:00:00] Greg, we just wrapped up our interview and I thought we had an awesome conversation. I …Leanne Whitney, Jung, Patanjali and the Seat of Consciousness |476|
Dr. Leanne Whitney explores the shadow work of Jung, and it’s connection to Patanjali |476| Alex Tsakiris: [00:00:08] That’s Three Faces of Eve from way back. Audio Clip: [00:00:13] Want to try hypnosis again? I mean, keep punching and wait …David Whitehead, Trigger-Proof Warrior |475|
David Whitehead used martial arts as a springboard into truth seeking. David Whitehead: [00:00:46] When it comes to triggers, these are informants for you to take notes and say, why is that so triggering for me? Why is it so …Chris Mathieu, Forbidden Knowledge News – Swapcast |474|
Click Here for Forbidden Knowledge News Page Click here for Forum Discussion skeptiko-chris-mathieu-forbidden-knowledge-news Hey, I just had an awesome chat with Chris Matthew from forbidden knowledge news. And it was great. So I thought I would share it with everyone …James Ellis, Raising the Conversation Past Level Zero |473|
James Ellis is a philosopher and creator of the Hermitix podcast where level three conversations are routine. [00:00:04] Forgive the longer than normal opening clip, but sometimes a little snow piercer, Gnosticism is therapeutic. [00:00:50] Today philosophy with the very …Dr. Tom Cowan Insists We Show Him Covid-19 |472|
Dr. Tom Cowan’s has some wacky ideas, but in what world can Amazon ban a Simon & Schuster book? Audio Clip: 0:02 ‘Hi, everybody, Hi Dr. Nic. Dr Nic this malpractice committee has received a few complaints against you.’ Alex …